I have them and they work well, and get heavy use on the track.Anyone running these on the hornet? Pros and cons?Feedback vs. OEM nissins?
this is why i ALWAYS run the oem nissin pads up front on all my nissin braked hondas.... always had great stopping power that didnt do anything funky like described above.I ran the EBC HH's on the stock rotors....... what I didn't like, with the stock rotors ---- there is an initial grab that happens....then they let off a little, then come on strong. At speed this didn't happen. They'd drive me nuts using them in the city.......
:bugeyes: Damn, why don't these older threads pop up when I do a search?! An opinion from both sides of the camp is appreciated. Well they're on the bike at this point and I'll have to see if I do feel a difference.I'll cut & paste from a previous thread
The main pad people refer to when it comes to the EBC Brand is their "HH" model. Some people swear by them and others chime in accordingly, but I can tell you from first hand experience that the EBC HH pads are crap... The backing plates are too thin and the heat causes them to warp which creates parasitic drag.
Now inevitably someone will pop up & spew out something along the lines of "I've been using them for years and have never had a warping problem". Yea well those are usually the same guys that say their tires "stuck like glue" all day when they review the latest rubber donut for their steed. If they never got the tire to spin up they weren't riding it hard enough to find the limit of traction and the same is true with the brake pads. Those that don't have problems with the EBC pads are typically the guys that aren't riding hard enough to need the HH Sintered pad and funny enough they are also usually the ones that praise them the most...
10-12 years ago when there were no other choices for HH type pads the EBC's were better than most in spite of the warping problem (although I preferred DP pads back then ) , but huge advances have been made in the technology behind brake pad compounds and now there are many far better choices out there in fact I think the OEM Honda pads outperform many of the brands race pads from even just a few years ago. They have the feel, feedback and outright stopping power and even the longevity in some cases that would put most race pads to shame from the same time frame that the EBC HH were initially sold.
I can also tell you from personal experience that when EBC was paying contingency money (they may still be I dunno) many club racers were running the EBC stickers on their bike and using a different brand.
As a sidenote it is also worth mentioning that EBC made a "kit pad" HH with thicker backing plates that did not warp. I have seen these in person, but have never seen them for sale nor do I know where to get them, but again either way there are many better choices out there for both street & track use.
Another pad to stay away from is the Ferodo SinterGrip ST. These have got to be the most inconsistent pads I have ever tried and they lack any type of feedback at all.
Since we are on this subject also be aware that if you are switching to a new brand/compound of brake pad that you need to clean the old pad residue off the rotor for it to be truly effective. The best way to do it is by glass bead blasting the rotor surface, but I realize not everyone has a bead blasting cabinet in their garage so a cheap alternative is to use a maroon scotch-brite pad and some simple green and a lot of elbow grease to scrub both sides of the rotors & I mean scrub... It takes a lot of effort to get that metal residue off the rotors & your fingers will ache when you are done, but the end result is worth it & be sure to rinse the Simple Green off thoroughly too.
Also be aware of certain spray can Brake Cleaners. Many of them leave an invisible film that coats the rotor and reduces the effectiveness of your new pads.
So called radial mounted calipers have zero effect as a component, seeing as all calipers are displaced radially from the axle centreline in order to position them over the swept area of the rotors. The only reason we have "radial mounts", is because of upside down forks, there is no fork leg to use for bracket attachment. Radial Master Cylinders are another story though, but that's already been well covered recently.Yep.....radial mount calipers w/ a radial master cylinder make a big difference over the 919.
Even with stock lines, many of the new gsxr's & r1's have 1 finger braking.
How long did you let your pads and rotors break in ?I reciently fitted new EBC rotors with EBC HH. Right from the off they felt terrible!
A lot of queeling and snatching but worst of all the pads seem to tear at the rotors leaving bad scoring. I have taken them out de-glazed but there were still the same. I fitted genuine Honda pads and just as bad...so must be rotor prob. I've ordered Kyoto Organic (softer pads) in a hope they may work. Otherwise i will have to fit gen Honda rotors ... very expensive!
You said you bought new EBC rotors and pads.Yep I persisted with a good 300 mile break-in on the pads and rotors mostly town riding but some heavy breaking too. There was no improvement. I've knotched up 43,000 on my hornet commuting + track so tried lots of pads and never had this trouble....so must be a rotor prob. Still waiting for the organics to turn up so will let you know the outcome. .... My rad sprung a leak too so my bikes in bits at the mo + it's freezing in london so may be a week or 2 to get back on the road !!
I fuckin love London, but I can't make enough money to live there at least not in the manner I am accustomed toMy rad sprung a leak too so my bikes in bits at the mo + it's freezing in london so may be a week or 2 to get back on the road !!
...was hoping this would show up :thumbup1:I'll cut & paste from a previous thread
Is there a brake pad available today that has advantages over the OEM pads?...
...I think the OEM Honda pads outperform many of the brands race pads from even just a few years ago.