[devondunit]

Just want to put out a feeler concerning power commanders; I have a 2002 919 that I've been working on and would like to know if anyone knows of a tuner better suited for this bike than the pcIII power commander.

 

[mcromo44]

Just want to put out a feeler concerning power commanders; I have a 2002 919 that I've been working on and would like to know if anyone knows of a tuner better suited for this bike than the pcIII power commander.

I'm not sure what you mean by "better suited", seeing as a PCIII is a very effective unit on a 919.
I think you'd be hard pressed to find anything "better" than a PCIII for a 919, but I will admit that the PC is the only device I have used.
There is said to be some other good stuff out there, but whether those have listings for 919s is another story.
Bazazz is said to be good, and can be additionally featured with things like a quick shifter.

 

[ganktor]

I think that this is related to this thread

http://www.wristtwisters.com/forums/f322/dobeck-performance-29268.html

 

[Pvster]

welcome devon! the pcIII is actually pretty good. the key is to find a good tuner who knows what they're doing in the first place. care to fill us in the issue you're having with the pcIII? we can likely fix it for ya.

 

[drewvir]

I think that this is related to this thread

http://www.wristtwisters.com/f322/dobeck-performance-29268.html

i was thinking the same thing!

DEV - DEVONDUNIT.....????

COINCIDENCE???
first post..i'm not buying it

calling goog3le...same guy???

 

[g00gl3it]

i was thinking the same thing!

DEV - DEVONDUNIT.....????

COINCIDENCE???
first post..i'm not buying it

calling goog3le...same guy???

Different IP's.

Devondunit, we need pics of your bike! I like that orange!

 

[boogunoogun]

you could try the power commander V. I called dynojet one day. They said that you could put the pcV on a 919. They just don't offically endorse it since the 919 is no longer being manufactured. Then you just use a 919 map.

or.....

If you're really good, or have enough money, you could install an o2 sensor into the exhaust and get the auto tune module. That would be sweet. It adjusts everything on the fly.

Had I known this before i bought my PCIII new, I would have been the guinea pig

 

[mcromo44]

you could try the power commander V. I called dynojet one day. They said that you could put the pcV on a 919. They just don't offically endorse it since the 919 is no longer being manufactured. Then you just use a 919 map.

or.....

If you're really good, or have enough money, you could install an o2 sensor into the exhaust and get the auto tune module. That would be sweet. It adjusts everything on the fly.

Had I known this before i bought my PCIII new, I would have been the guinea pig

Exhaust O2 feedback loop driven Autotune will never replace high performance mapping by a tuner, because it is counter to it.
So there is a distinct choice to be made, and both are valid depending on one's intent.
Autotune is a great device if all you want is a nominal 14:1 right across the board while also being environmentally sensitive by reduced unburned HydroCarbons and CO(carbon monoxide), while sacrificing some potential torque and power.
I'd also think that an O2 sensor from some other Honda could fairly easily be grafted to the header of a 919, and allow a PC V to do Autotune on a 919, should anyone want to do that. It would be a good question to put to Power Commander.

 

[boogunoogun]

Exhaust O2 feedback loop driven Autotune will never replace high performance mapping by a tuner, because it is counter to it.
So there is a distinct choice to be made, and both are valid depending on one's intent.
Autotune is a great device if all you want is a nominal 14:1 right across the board while also being environmentally sensitive by reduced unburned HydroCarbons and CO(carbon monoxide), while sacrificing some potential torque and power.
I'd also think that an O2 sensor from some other Honda could fairly easily be grafted to the header of a 919, and allow a PC V to do Autotune on a 919, should anyone want to do that. It would be a good question to put to Power Commander.

Not necessarily true. You can have it that way. Like set it and forget it. But if you want to have pre set settings in certain rmps, or throttle position, or even certain gears you can do that. (for the gears you would need the quick shift kit just so it knows what gear you are in.)

Thats what I've been told. maybe I'm wrong.

edit you can also set auto tune to kick in only when the engine is above certain temperatures

 

[mcromo44]

Not necessarily true. You can have it that way. Like set it and forget it. But if you want to have pre set settings in certain rmps, or throttle position, or even certain gears you can do that. (for the gears you would need the quick shift kit just so it knows what gear you are in.)

Thats what I've been told. maybe I'm wrong.

edit you can also set auto tune to kick in only when the engine is above certain temperatures

I don't know these devices, but have heard they do come with user adjustability etc, and what you note above sounds consistent with all that.
But what does remain is this, you can not get maximized torque across the curve from Autotune, and user adjustments to the automated AFs than can be applied, are a poor substitute to a whiz tuner and are incapable of yielding the results of a whiz tuner.
True, few will want the "ideal map" for track day type use, but that is not the issue.

 

[devondunit]

I don't have any more pics right now and the rear end is all torn out because I'm powder coating the swing arm currently but I definitely plan on getting some pics out when it's done, I'm doing powder on a lot of parts including engine covers plus ceramic on headers (off a cbr1000) and changing the orange on my boz pipe to a powder Halloween orange instead of the heat resistant hemi orange paint that's on it.

 

[devondunit]

As far as the tuner goes I havnt bought one yet but am shopping, I'd like to make sure that I make the right choice the first time.

 

[Jonny]

Nice! One question...do you ever touch down the peg on the right side or the pipe? I'm thining about a similar location for my side pipe, but it's a DanMoto JISU carbon trioval design. Figure I can angle the flat part for max clearence... I' diggin the orange! Same color braided lines would look sick!

-Jonny

 

[mcromo44]

Nice! One question...do you ever touch down the peg on the right side or the pipe? I'm thining about a similar location for my side pipe, but it's a DanMoto JISU carbon trioval design. Figure I can angle the flat part for max clearence... I' diggin the orange! Same color braided lines would look sick!

-Jonny

I've often wondered about some of the side mount conversions I've seen here, in terms of grinding out the piping that is.
There's a number running them, someone will surely chime in and pass on their experience in this regard.

A stock suspended 919 can very easily grind the pegs with the feelers off.
IF you do track days, and are stock suspended (o4 and later in particular) and have some level of proficiency, you'll be folding your pegs routinely and looking for a way to keep your boots from getting chewed to bits.

 

[Jonny]

Yeah, the guys at Maxim Honda in Allen tell me about a guy who brought a 919 in to trade. He'd ground the pegs to a sharp point at the ends by dragging them on the ground. Hell, I cut 1/3 off the end of my GSXR pegs back when I raced cause they kept touching down, but I'm trying to keep the "crazy" out of my street riding though, so the peg feelers stay on.

-Jonny

 

[g00gl3it]

Nice! One question...do you ever touch down the peg on the right side or the pipe? I'm thining about a similar location for my side pipe, but it's a DanMoto JISU carbon trioval design. Figure I can angle the flat part for max clearence... I' diggin the orange! Same color braided lines would look sick!

-Jonny

I've often wondered about some of the side mount conversions I've seen here, in terms of grinding out the piping that is.
There's a number running them, someone will surely chime in and pass on their experience in this regard.

A stock suspended 919 can very easily grind the pegs with the feelers off.
IF you do track days, and are stock suspended (o4 and later in particular) and have some level of proficiency, you'll be folding your pegs routinely and looking for a way to keep your boots from getting chewed to bits.

I'm no crazy rider, but I've touched down pegs on both sides and never got close to my setup.

<<<<< see avatar pic.....

 

[LDH]

I'm no crazy rider, but I've touched down pegs on both sides and never got close to my setup.

<<<<< see avatar pic.....

I've ridden with a 919 owner that touched down his feelers followed by his bar ends and his OEM exhaust.

 

[g00gl3it]

I've ridden with a 919 owner that touched down his feelers followed by his bar ends and his OEM exhaust.

haha, and then helmet, shoulder, knees, elbows and face?

 

[LDH]

yea pretty much

 

[mcromo44]

I've ridden with a 919 owner that touched down his feelers followed by his bar ends and his OEM exhaust.

That DOES conjure up a certain image ....................