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09-20-2016 05:32 PM
saikodi
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Originally Posted by Pvster View Post
Grew up in the northwet and I'll never get used to that shit. I love driving/riding in Arizona.
You are lucky! I am in Seattle for the next few years for sure. :-) I am thinking of relocating to CA as they are bike friendly too.
09-20-2016 05:25 PM
Pvster
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Originally Posted by saikodi View Post
Here in Seattle (I5), I see loads of people driving at speed limits in the left lane while the lane is completely free ahead of them. And may times, there are people in the lane right next to it that also decide to go at the same speed. It reminds of the animation movie Turbo where the snails try to race against each other and are pretty much going next to each other at the same exact speed. We cant even pass them unless if we make multiple lane changes.

And if it rains, its worse. I just got used to it. Although at night time, I see a different behavior. When they see me coming, they change lanes and let me pass. Perhaps its the light flashing in their rear view mirrors thats causing this. No idea.
Grew up in the northwet and I'll never get used to that shit. I love driving/riding in Arizona.
09-20-2016 09:31 AM
saikodi
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Originally Posted by LDH View Post
In Memphis you just put on a black ski mask and then we they see you coming up behind them they will pull over for you real quick
Lol
09-20-2016 09:14 AM
LDH In Memphis you just put on a black ski mask and then we they see you coming up behind them they will pull over for you real quick
09-20-2016 09:12 AM
saikodi Here in Seattle (I5), I see loads of people driving at speed limits in the left lane while the lane is completely free ahead of them. And may times, there are people in the lane right next to it that also decide to go at the same speed. It reminds of the animation movie Turbo where the snails try to race against each other and are pretty much going next to each other at the same exact speed. We cant even pass them unless if we make multiple lane changes.

And if it rains, its worse. I just got used to it. Although at night time, I see a different behavior. When they see me coming, they change lanes and let me pass. Perhaps its the light flashing in their rear view mirrors thats causing this. No idea.
09-20-2016 07:57 AM
jmdavis984 When I had a long interstate commute I got in the habit of passing squatters on the right, then giving the following hand signals:
1. Point to them so they know I'm signaling them
2. Give them a thumbs down so they know I disapprove of something
3. Motion for them to get into the right lane.

This has worked well in all but 2 situations. In one case, the person continued to squat in the left lane, completely ignorant of the fact that they were holding up traffic.

In the other case, the young Asian Woman driving immidiately tried to change lanes without signaling, and nearly got creamed by the dually truck pulling an enclosed trailer that was also passing her on the right.
09-19-2016 04:43 PM
ewmin3m Ahh OK. That's what I thought :P
Thanks for clarifying.
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Originally Posted by badmoon692008 View Post
Not sure what there is to expand on... Just putting bright colored letters on my helmet that i can point to to get the message across.
09-19-2016 01:34 PM
badmoon692008 Not sure what there is to expand on... Just putting bright colored letters on my helmet that i can point to to get the message across.
09-19-2016 10:25 AM
ewmin3m Can you expand on your idea with a bit more details? You have my attention

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Originally Posted by badmoon692008 View Post
I've had a similar thought. I have a vinyl cutter, so i was thinking of cutting "Move over" for the left side and "Thank you" for the right side in some bright colored vinyl... it's amazing how many people are completely oblivious to what's happening around them.
09-19-2016 09:19 AM
badmoon692008
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Originally Posted by ewmin3m View Post
Here in Vancouver, BC they passed a law making it illegal to left lane squat.

I was thinking of this a couple of days ago: stick a clear message on the back of my jacket while riding motorcycle that says something like "Illegal to left lane squat. Move Over ->"

Seeing as I'm on a bike, it'd be easier (though highly not recommended as we all know) to pass on the right and then in front of the squater.

Thoughts :P ?
I've had a similar thought. I have a vinyl cutter, so i was thinking of cutting "Move over" for the left side and "Thank you" for the right side in some bright colored vinyl... it's amazing how many people are completely oblivious to what's happening around them.
09-16-2016 03:24 PM
ewmin3m Flashing signs usually catch attention :P

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Originally Posted by garyb900 View Post
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Originally Posted by ewmin3m View Post
I think these issues precisely exist because people have no clue whats going on behind them... Not sure they would even look at you if you were behind them...
Yeah, they never see bikes anyway. At least that's the excuse they always use, "I never saw him."
Not like I would rely on a shirt to help anyway!
09-16-2016 03:23 PM
garyb900
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Originally Posted by ewmin3m View Post
I think these issues precisely exist because people have no clue whats going on behind them... Not sure they would even look at you if you were behind them...
Yeah, they never see bikes anyway. At least that's the excuse they always use, "I never saw him."
Not like I would rely on a shirt to help anyway!
Besides, half of them are on the phone and the rest are either shaving, putting on makeup or whatever.

Not to take this thread off track but on a more serious note, in 2009 there was a lady near here that got rear ended on her bike at a red light by a lady in a car that was putting on nail polish!!!! No lie. To make matters worse, the driver was a nurse.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_657291.html
09-16-2016 11:20 AM
ewmin3m I think these issues precisely exist because people have no clue whats going on behind them... Not sure they would even look at you if you were behind them...

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Originally Posted by garyb900 View Post
I don't remember where I got it but I have a t-shirt that says "MOVE OVER!" in reverse so the person in front of you can read it in their rear view mirror.
09-16-2016 11:15 AM
garyb900 I don't remember where I got it but I have a t-shirt that says "MOVE OVER!" in reverse so the person in front of you can read it in their rear view mirror.
09-16-2016 07:47 AM
ewmin3m or just stick square of LED on the backpack with a battery hooked up inside that says things to people xD
09-16-2016 07:45 AM
ewmin3m Here in Vancouver, BC they passed a law making it illegal to left lane squat.

I was thinking of this a couple of days ago: stick a clear message on the back of my jacket while riding motorcycle that says something like "Illegal to left lane squat. Move Over ->"

Seeing as I'm on a bike, it'd be easier (though highly not recommended as we all know) to pass on the right and then in front of the squater.

Thoughts :P ?
09-16-2016 04:05 AM
deandeib
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Originally Posted by LDH View Post
On my way home from work yesterday I had a left lane squatter doing 10mph slower than traffic and when I got up behind her to let her know someone was there she slowed down even more... When I finally got a break in the traffic and passed her in the right lane she gave me the finger. What the hell is wrong with so many people that they want to antagonize everyone else around them??? Why not just get the fuck out of the way and go about your business so others can go about theirs instead of making things difficult on everyone else...

I'm patient enough to deal with that kind of shit, but these people do not realize that someday they are going to intentionally piss off the wrong person and it's really going to go South from there. People are stressed and stretched way too thin nowadays and someone is going to snap on one of these idiots.
Very true LD. I do 120 mi/day on I-95 past Philadelphia and I see this shit all the time. Pet peeve of mine is dumb broads texting and causing near-misses all the while being totally oblivious to how close the dumb fuck just came to killing somebody
09-10-2016 03:57 AM
theboom
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Originally Posted by LDH View Post
What the hell is wrong with so many people ...People are stressed and stretched way too thin nowadays and someone is going to snap on one of these idiots.
I was following in the HOV lane yesterday at a good distance and a guy in a pickup yesterday was maniacally tailgating a prius. Then he blew his lid to make a point and swerved his toyota tacoma so hard he almost rolled it in the middle of 101 on its shitty suspension. I see shit everyday. I had 3-4 guys (on bikes) behind me lane splitting on the way home and I moved over so they could 50 mph it in stop and go traffic in a really risky manner, and all I could think was, when I see guys ride like that, "youve never been in an accident, youve never had a broken leg, youve never had a helmet save your life and you are pissing off the drivers Im about to respectfully attempt to pass".

But then just a few months ago I was only driving open roads and taking pics of unicorns and sunsets. I wish I was back there...away from people.

And BTW I have the coolest 919 on the planet and none of you can touch it!
09-09-2016 08:50 AM
LDH On my way home from work yesterday I had a left lane squatter doing 10mph slower than traffic and when I got up behind her to let her know someone was there she slowed down even more... When I finally got a break in the traffic and passed her in the right lane she gave me the finger. What the hell is wrong with so many people that they want to antagonize everyone else around them??? Why not just get the fuck out of the way and go about your business so others can go about theirs instead of making things difficult on everyone else...

I'm patient enough to deal with that kind of shit, but these people do not realize that someday they are going to intentionally piss off the wrong person and it's really going to go South from there. People are stressed and stretched way too thin nowadays and someone is going to snap on one of these idiots.
09-09-2016 05:00 AM
garyb900
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Originally Posted by semi_gray View Post
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I see every day cars merging onto the highway and immediately to the left lanes regardless of traffic conditions.
This leaves the right lane open to pass.
Although passing on the right is dangerous, this is the only way around slower traffic.
How very true. I try to hang out in the middle even if I am going fast rather than clog the left lane because I was taught (back in the day) that the left lane IS the passing lane. Many times the left and middle are bogged down with traffic and the right lane is WIDE OPEN! I can move into the right lane and pass a lot of cars but... there is always the guy in the middle lane that then moves into the right lane to let someone pass them and then I'm trapped.
There is no easy answer. Human nature is so sporadic.
09-09-2016 02:35 AM
semi_gray You're asking the impossible.
You cannot teach someone a skill if they are not willing to learn.
The best you can do is learn their behavior and react accordingly.
I see every day cars merging onto the highway and immediately to the left lanes regardless of traffic conditions.
This leaves the right lane open to pass.
Although passing on the right is dangerous, this is the only way around slower traffic.
One hazard in particular:
You're about to pass a slower driver in the right lane (rare) and do a check for the lane to your left. Nobody is there so you begin to move over.
Meanwhile, a fast moving car comes upon left lane congestion and moves to the right usually without a signal.
Because of the speed, suddenly this car is in the space you were moving into.
So, look two lanes over or more when changing lanes because the left most lane is no longer the "passing" lane. Like it or not.
09-08-2016 11:34 AM
CKutz_GO yea, i'm pretty sure PA and MD have those laws, idk if anyone has ever been pulled over for it. shit you can drive under the speed limit and still not get pulled over, but you break that speed limit by 10-15+ and guaranteed one of the 10 cops on that highway will nail you.

what is it with the priuses? seriously. Also I love when i see them saving the world by conserving their energy and not using headlights in the rain too..saving the world one moron at a time.
09-02-2016 01:07 PM
LDH About 25 Years ago in Arkansas (where I had to drive 100 miles round trip daily) they passed a law making it illegal to impede traffic in the left lane even if you are already driving OVER the speed limit. The first several tickets that were written by the Highway Patrol for this new law were immediately thrown out of court by the Judge making a big stink about the law and that basically stopped the officers from bothering to write any more tickets for that offense. I have no ideal how things have progressed since then, but that was business as usual back then and I doubt much has changed and more importantly I bet it is similar all over the country for laws of that nature not being enforced.
09-02-2016 12:58 PM
theboom A few states are getting the hint and passng laws on left lane squatting due to it being a major contributor to traffic slow downs. We'll see when they start giving out the tickets. In my neck of the woods in the bay area the 2 primary offenders of HOV squatting are prius drivers and construction worker trucks. If I go-proed my ride to work you wouldnt believe it. prius, prius, construction worker, prius, prius construction worker. Now all we need are construction workers DRIVING priuses and no one would ever get anywhere.
09-02-2016 12:47 PM
crakerjac
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Originally Posted by ewmin3m View Post
Ahhh ok i thought you were doing it while on a motorcycly :P
God no... on the bike, I'll just buzz them on the left shoulder.
09-02-2016 12:41 PM
ewmin3m Ahhh ok i thought you were doing it while on a motorcycly :P

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Originally Posted by crakerjac View Post
I drive a piece of shit. Only do this to people who drive nicer pieces of shit that are insured...
09-02-2016 12:31 PM
crakerjac I drive a piece of shit. Only do this to people who drive nicer pieces of shit that are insured...
09-02-2016 12:21 PM
ewmin3m I see you like to live life on the edge, by trusting that people are paying attention :P especially since they're on cruise control.

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Originally Posted by crakerjac View Post
I just pass them then slow way the fuck down. That forces them to take their cruise control off. Once they get the hint and move over, I speed back up.
09-02-2016 11:33 AM
crakerjac I just pass them then slow way the fuck down. That forces them to take their cruise control off. Once they get the hint and move over, I speed back up.
09-02-2016 09:15 AM
ewmin3m Teaching people how to do something the proper way from the start is restrictive? I mean, I can see it as restrictive if you believe that people are so incompetent that improving a process would render them incapable to performing their regular activities via said process.
None the less, it's a shame they never started being tough from the beginning, cause down the line you have these types of issues.

It won't matter in the future anyway. Not going to spoil the solution of this video :P It's worth a watch:


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Originally Posted by NealC View Post
That will never happen. The US economy is transportation based. If you start restricting driving, (by making it harder to get a licence) you shut down the system. That is what happened in 2007-2008, when fuel prices went up, and people started driving less and shipping less goods due to the increased cost, it started a chain of events that lead to the "recession". The government then relaxed restrictions on drilling locations and techniques, which allowed energy companies to produce more, which drove down the price of fuel, which revived the economy. The bailouts and other programs were just the stop gap used until the cost of transportation went down.

Germany's economy is production based, and they have a huge investment in infrastructure to get citizens to and from work using public transportation (Germans use public transport at a rate 5 time higher than the US). So you do not have the need for people to drive as much, and therefore you can regulate it closer. They pay for the public transportation with high taxes on private transportation. i.e road use tax, fuel tax, etc.
09-02-2016 06:05 AM
NealC
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Originally Posted by ewmin3m View Post
just make driving training and exams more rigorous with emphasis on proper driving etiquette...like in Germany, France
That will never happen. The US economy is transportation based. If you start restricting driving, (by making it harder to get a licence) you shut down the system. That is what happened in 2007-2008, when fuel prices went up, and people started driving less and shipping less goods due to the increased cost, it started a chain of events that lead to the "recession". The government then relaxed restrictions on drilling locations and techniques, which allowed energy companies to produce more, which drove down the price of fuel, which revived the economy. The bailouts and other programs were just the stop gap used until the cost of transportation went down.

Germany's economy is production based, and they have a huge investment in infrastructure to get citizens to and from work using public transportation (Germans use public transport at a rate 5 time higher than the US). So you do not have the need for people to drive as much, and therefore you can regulate it closer. They pay for the public transportation with high taxes on private transportation. i.e road use tax, fuel tax, etc.
08-31-2016 01:30 PM
Pvster
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Originally Posted by LDH View Post
That's all fine & dandy except in California our driving schools are literally teaching the new drivers to squat in the left lane because it is the "safest lane" since most of the merging and exiting at the largest speed disparity is done in the right lanes.
You gotta be kidding me... What a really stupid move..
08-31-2016 11:31 AM
LDH That's all fine & dandy except in California our driving schools are literally teaching the new drivers to squat in the left lane because it is the "safest lane" since most of the merging and exiting at the largest speed disparity is done in the right lanes.
08-31-2016 01:29 AM
ewmin3m just make driving training and exams more rigorous with emphasis on proper driving etiquette...like in Germany, France
08-29-2016 10:55 AM
Motorcycle.com
The Safety-Based Case Against Left Lane Squatters



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If you’re a motorcyclist, odds are that you aren’t one of those car drivers that squats in the left lane plodding along exactly at the speed limit while everyone else stacks up behind you with their blood pressure nearing the bursting point. Then again, maybe you are one of those mouth-breathers who believes it is their God-given right to drive in whatever lane they want, no matter who it inconveniences. (If you are, we’ve got a special place in Hell carved out for you to spend all of eternity listening to the Barney Song turned up to 11.)

While we’ve all experienced the aggravation of the left lane squatter, it turns out that slowing down traffic in the left lane is also a safety hazard because it forces faster drivers to weave back and forth between lanes, which can cause a cascading wave of deceleration in the right lane that further slows and stacks up traffic. Oh yeah, it increases the odds of an accident, too.

So, next time you see some doofus online, bloviating about how safe he is going the speed limit in the left lane instead of sticking to the right unless he’s passing, point him in the direction of the video below. While it probably won’t change the blowhard’s behavior, you might just inform some less experienced driver, like the narrator in the video, about proper lane discipline.
Read more about The Safety-Based Case Against Left Lane Squatters at Motorcycle.com.

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