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post #1 of 27 Old 06-19-2008, 09:45 AM Thread Starter
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Why a 250

Early spring 09 I'm planning to buy either a 250 or 450 four stroke enduro type dirt bike. I plan to make it road legal. It will be used for gravel roads, fire roads, woods trails, and dual sport rides. I haven't had a dirtbike for 25 years, I'm 47. On the street, I ride a 919, 929, and 600RR.

My question, The 450 is only 17lbs heavier than the 250. So why bother with the 250? All other dimentions are the same.

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post #2 of 27 Old 06-19-2008, 09:57 AM
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Believe it or not, 17 lbs is a big deal depending on what YOUR dimentions are.

Get an already "from the factory" street leagal KTM 530 and have the time of your life!

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I've ridden some recent 250 four-strokes (Kawasaki & Honda) and I would not buy a 250. They have awesome handling, but you are right - the times when 17 less pounds will make a difference are a lot less than the times when twice as much horsepower will make a difference. If you a do a lot of really, really tight woods riding, a 250 makes sense. However, if you are on the highway, in the sand, in the mud, climbing hills, or on the fireroads, I would definitely get a 450 (or bigger - I used to ride a 650 Husaberg that weighed the same as a 450... so why not have 65 horsepower?)

I used to work in a bike shop that did some dual-sport conversions, and all I can say is AVOID IT (unless you really enjoy the customizing / spending money aspect). Buy something that is already street legal - we've seen messed-up transmissions (4-speed motocross transmissions don't last long on the highway), every kind of electrical buffoonery, and owners sell their 'ultimate dualsport weapon' within a season after trying to make a bike into something it isn't. I don't mean a dualsport conversion can't be done (I have seen some pretty sweet ones); however, if you want to ride (as opposed to screwing around with stators, voltage regulators, turn signals, etc.) buy something that's easy to register on the road. (In some states, this is irrelevant, because you can license pretty much anything, but most jurisdictions require an inspection now.)

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The 250/450 debate depends on your intentions - If you want more highway/open desert kind of riding , 450 or bigger. If you want tight woods mostly and a little road, 250. Ive been beating a DR-Z400E in the woods doing Hare scrambles and Im really thinking my next bike is gonna be a 250 - Thye are lighter, handle better and require some real finesse to ride fast in the tight stuff , but, it can be done and most pros prefer the 250/200/300 over the 450s .
Either way, that class of bike is a ton of fun !

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+1 on buying one already suited for enduro/dual-sport/road-legal. save the hassle, yeah it'll be more money up front but lots less headaches later!

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I'm a big guy (6'1 230 lbs) with intermediate trail riding skills and I did 90 miles in the woods of Southern NJ this past Sunday on a "street legal" (Vermont tags) KTM 250 4 stroke.

I thought for sure that I would find the bike anemic but I was sure surprised. That little 250 had PLENTY of pulling power to lug my fat ass all over the place. I haven't thrown a leg over a KTM big bore in over 4 years, and thought I'd be longing for such a bike, but I would give the 250 thumper serious consideration...........

Perhaps you should too.......

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What ever you decide on,stay away from dual sporting a 250f-450f motocross bike. Those engines require an insane amount of maintainence and when they decide to grenade (not if...but WHEN) Be prepared to open your wallet up to the tune of a couple thousand dollars if not more. We are an avid motocross family and have seen the coming of age of the four stroke motocrosser from the beginning.In my oppinion,those bikes are killing the sport with the astronomical maintainence and repair cost. The bikes have pretty much taken the kids that use to work to pay their way to ride like I did when I was kid and relegated them to the couch with a play station controller in their hand.Its pretty sad what the EPA and AMA have done.......

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I wouldn't touch a Motocrosser with a 10 foot pole. Bin thar.

The idea od setting up an enduro for the OCCATIONAL road use is because the factory on/off road bikes are 40 lbs heavier than the enduros.

Am I wrong in assuming that the newer 4 stroke enduros with an electrical system set up for a headlight, tail light and starter would be ok with LED turnsignals? LEDs draw next to nothing. Maybe put an LED bulb in the tail light just for good measure? If I do a conversion, I'll take my time, solder, shrinkwrap, zip tie to no end.

But back to the 250/450 question... the answer sounds like a toss up.

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The street leagal KTM's are, on average, only 8 lbs. heavier than the off-road equivalent.

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The little bikes are the way to go. My SM610 feels like a bicycle on the street but when I get on dirt trails it transforms into a cabin cruiser.

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I love my Sherpa. Ask Brevity and ajcombs, they love my Sherpa too. It is just too much fun to play with.
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I love my Sherpa. Ask Brevity and ajcombs, they love my Sherpa too. It is just too much fun to play with.
I'm glad I know what your sherpa is because to someone who doesn't know that sentance could be taken way the wrong way.

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Having owned a DRZ400S for a few years I'd say that a lighter 250 is a lot more fun offroad. Check out the Kawasaki 250 DP bike.

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I'm glad I know what your sherpa is because to someone who doesn't know that sentance could be taken way the wrong way.
Guess I'm not the only one that had that same thought

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I'm glad I know what your sherpa is because to someone who doesn't know that sentance could be taken way the wrong way.
Dang, I need to use 'preview post' more.
I don't want y'all to think I share my Sherpa with just anyone....
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I don't want y'all to think I share my Sherpa with just anyone....
Thats not what I heard.

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I had a girlfriend once who shaved her Sherpa...

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I had a girlfriend once who shaved her Sherpa...
Those are my favorite Sherpa's

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this thread has gone horribly awry

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But funny!

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Here is a thread where a couple guys converted KLX450Rs into Dual sports.

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=354876

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I was going to say how much fun the Sherpa was, but now I'm not--'cause of you pervs!

Seriously, I'm 5"9", 200 pounds. That little bike put a grin on my face. Would be a great bike for an off-road beginner (me). It's my initial opinion that the 250 would be more than able to let you have a great deal of fun on a fire trail or the like. I mean, how fast are you really going to go in the woods or on the dirt/gravel? Slippin' n' slidin' is just as fun at 20 mph!

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I was going to say how much fun the Sherpa was, but now I'm not--'cause of you pervs!

Seriously, I'm 5"9", 200 pounds. That little bike put a grin on my face. Would be a great bike for an off-road beginner (me). It's my initial opinion that the 250 would be more than able to let you have a great deal of fun on a fire trail or the like. I mean, how fast are you really going to go in the woods or on the dirt/gravel? Slippin' n' slidin' is just as fun at 20 mph!
Hey Kristen started it

You bring up a good point Brevity. I've been thinking of this decision also as I hope to get an offroad bike next year (never riden a dirt bike). I was originally leaning towards nothing bigger than a 250 and then the thoughts started wondering but you just made me lean back towards the 250 range.

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Light makes right.

When you're new to the game and things are slipping and sliding around and you're not sure what's going where being able to dominate that little Sherpa and bend it to your will is going to bake your cake.

Those bigger Sherpas will take off with ideas of their own before you can even blink.

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I talked to a guy on an on/off road Kawie 250 Sun. He said it needed more power.


If I was going to do it today, I'd go to the local Yamaha shop. They've done several 450 conversions. 2 full on Motards. Motards, much more, but to street legalise a WR450, aprox $500. The State Policeman that does the inspections is a friend of the Yamaha shop owner. He is also a very frequent customer and an enthusiest.

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I had a dream the other night my dad got me a new Suzuki 250. It was awesome! (prolly cuz the day before my girlfriend took me to a new dealership that was HUGE!)

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