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post #1 of 15 Old 09-25-2008, 04:48 PM Thread Starter
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It doesn't take much to come to a conclusion about what the Japanese should give us in terms of a motard selection.

Example: Honda

A unicam approach to the powerplant with a rugedized bottom end containing six speeds. The top end would have about 600cc's for the large guy, 450 for the medium guy and 300cc's for the little guy. The power outputs should be about 80 to 90% of the motocross versions. The suspension would be usd and adjustable 3 ways for the front, 3 ways for the back. The whole range of bikes would be designed so that ride height is adjustable front and back without having to resort to non OEM parts. Make the seats comfortable or at least offer accesory seats that would actually be comfortable on long jaunts. Fuel capacity 4 plus gallons.

Seems that Honda ought to take the lead here, but they are such pansies when it comes to spearheading the new direction. They had a fabulous idea in the Transalp(I owned one) but they took such a damn conservative approach to it that the thing turned out to be boring(but 15 or 20 years ahead of it's time)

Ridge pointed out the excellent Kawasaki offer in the 250cc class. What a hoot that would be for terrorizing around town. Yamaha is all over the subject now and it won't be long. Suzy has produced the best middleweight a person could ask for. I'd be right there selling some rolling stock and investing in a new ride at the expense of going into hock if it were possible.


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Not that "They (Honda)" are listening.

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Maybe its a little off from your approach, but I'd like Honda to produce a V-Twin SM to compete with Duc's Hypermotard.
I heard one a few weeks back and nearly dropped my beer when I saw what it was.

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Where do I sign? I'd take a WR450X too

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It'll be a long time coming. The big four fear Motard sales will feed of their 600 customer base instead of bringing in fresh blood. Too bad, I waited through a couple years of the "the Honda Motards are coming" before I got the Husky.

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I lust for an Aprilia SXV 550...

Fuel injected short stroke Vtwin... drool...

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A combo platter between nate and spec7's ideas would be tasty.


Danke, I never did think of it that way. That sheds a different light on the subject. Perhaps that's why we see 250's and a 400 and thats about all.

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The whole issue with thew big bore motard for the big companies is that they are just too expensive for the USA - very few riders will be willing to shell out 6/7k for a motard bike when they can spend another k and get a 600cc/GSX 650 or simpilar - Most folks who really want a bike like this, have no issue with going to Aprilia,Husk, KTM for a bike , IMO -
Honda simply wont put thier selves out on a ledge like that , with thier market share shrinking and them having to close production for some of thier vechicles stateside, they are going to be dull and boring as normal untill they can get a better hold on what direction thier company is going to go in , boost car production , build jets or what ever it is they are going to do this week. IMO, Honda hasnt been worth a hoot since Schiro passed - I know he is spinning in his grave seeing what these guys have done to his companiy .

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A combo platter between nate and spec7's ideas would be tasty.


Danke, I never did think of it that way. That sheds a different light on the subject. Perhaps that's why we see 250's and a 400 and thats about all.
The small ones are sure the toe in the water, & if they go well who knows. The Yamaha one this year sure looks great when you see it, but maybe it's a bit too lightweight for most of North America.

Back when I had my fingers crossed on the FMX650 I was comparing prices and it looked if they kept it at the same level a the UK it'd be more than a Husky or KTM with less HP so a real tough sell.

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the dr 650 doesn't have the grunt i want in stock form so i'm thinking bigger in general

maybe after gearing and playin with it i'll think differently but i want a more powerful lump still in a reasonable frame...i resist goin the KTM route

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They need to be at least a 450 so the motor tech can cross over from MX. It doesn't mean they could take the particular motor and play with the bore and stroke. How much R&D would really need to go into this. The big 4 have been making 4 stroke dirt bikes for a while.
I have ridden a couple DRZ 400's not even close to what my 426 has for power. I can't imagine a nuetered 250 being that much fun. Don't get me wrong a DRZ is fun it just needs a pipe, jetting and gearing. That and lose about 50#.
If anyone is interested thinking about selling my 426 set-up for motard. Could be cheap fun for track days.

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They need to be at least a 450 so the motor tech can cross over from MX. It doesn't mean they could take the particular motor and play with the bore and stroke. How much R&D would really need to go into this. The big 4 have been making 4 stroke dirt bikes for a while.
I have ridden a couple DRZ 400's not even close to what my 426 has for power. I can't imagine a nuetered 250 being that much fun. Don't get me wrong a DRZ is fun it just needs a pipe, jetting and gearing. That and lose about 50#.
If anyone is interested thinking about selling my 426 set-up for motard. Could be cheap fun for track days.
I'm on the same page. It has to be a potent plant to deal with KTM, Aprillia, Husky and BMW. And it is bound to be a grand or 3 cheaper than the afore mentioned. Give me a unicam 550!!!!!!!!!!!

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http://powersports.honda.com/2009models/#/crf230m

Honda went for the "green" approach instead of giving us something with balls! "exceptional fuel economy" ............ blah blah blah.......... I already have a CRF230L that gets 80+ mpg, I want one with soul! C'mon Honda.

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http://powersports.honda.com/2009models/#/crf230m

Honda went for the "green" approach instead of giving us something with balls! "exceptional fuel economy" ............ blah blah blah.......... I already have a CRF230L that gets 80+ mpg, I want one with soul! C'mon Honda.
Yeah thats a cute little machine. Why is no mfgr. willing to give us a 450 mx machine with a big brake and 17" street tires. For those of us that have short commutes I could not think of anything to make it more interesting.

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Yeah thats a cute little machine. Why is no mfgr. willing to give us a 450 mx machine with a big brake and 17" street tires. For those of us that have short commutes I could not think of anything to make it more interesting.
I was thinking as I was riding around on the KLR today. What if these 250/s and the 230 is testing the water for buyer commintment? You know that these bikes also make the very best entry level street bike in this man's opinion. Great handling, light and manueverable. Perhaps the three with the 250 ish bikes are waiting to see if a further plunge is profitalbe based on the little guy sales. I don't know........to me it would seem infinitely more effective to put out a mid sized single, then a large and then a small. I wish there was a 500 to 650 sized Japanese offering. I would so cherish it

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