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post #1 of 42 Old 07-12-2007, 04:44 PM Thread Starter
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Wind Noise

I'm so sick of wind noise that I haven't even hardly been riding lately.

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Shoei RF-700 with a recently installed NOJ wind skirt or whatever their called. Works well on my snowmobile helmet, but didn't really do a thing on the Shoei

Just recieved a Shark RSI helmet today, debating if it fits well enough or not. Nice light helmet and their less wind buffeting, but is just as noisy as the Shoei in my opinion.

Tried some of the custom fitted ear plugs you get at Walmart, don't do much.
Foam earplugs always seem to back out of my ear, but help a little bit.


Any ideas? My hearing is a little more sensetive than most. I'd rather not take the wind screen off to see the results, but I've tried just leaning ahead of it and it still seems about the same.


I'd like to take a couple hundred mile trip in the next couple weeks, but the last time I rode a hundred miles my ears hurt for a couple days. That was with the Shoei and ear plugs.

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What brand snow hat you got.Change visors and go with it?

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What brand snow hat you got.Change visors and go with it?

It's an Artic Cat lid, it'd be way to hot and I the seating position and windshield keeps alot of the wind off my head.

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These were Ragdoll's input on another thread and I have been thinking about a pair. He mentioned that this link was a great deal.
http://www.amazon.com/Shure-E2c-Soun...3042217&sr=8-1

I know the electronic sound isolating technology has really taken off from airplane rides to gun ranges. These should be great on a bike - just what you need.

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Get an Arai Quantum II helmet. I have one of them and also a Shoei RF-1000. I find the Shoei fits my head a little better (I think I have a Shoei shaped head) but the Arai is less noisy.

Just my 2 cents.

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What???

First, take the fairing off! Unless the screen is tall enough to require looking through it, it will cause turbulence, buffeting, and pressure waves that no hearing protection will mitigate.
Second, if your ears hurt after a ride, especially for a couple days, your hearing has been damaged. Trust me on this.
Foam earplugs don't just make my 105 mile a day commute more pleasant -- they make it possible. After years of wind noise, air tools, and too loud music, my hearing is badly depleted by tinnitus (ringing in the ears) to the point of making the my most common comment in conversation "huh?" Protect what you have because deafness is forever. I have a basic advantage with foam ear plugs owing to the fact that my auditory canals are, in the words of my ear doctor, "The biggest damn canals I've ever seen on a human!" The standard E.A.R. foam plugs disappear completely to the point of needing a pair of forceps to get them out. The advantage to this is they never come out accidentally. I tried custom molded plugs but they became so uncomfortable after a year they were causing severe headaches, so I threw them out. Apparently, this is much more common with large canals. My suggestion is to go to a hearing specialist and ask what you can do to protect your hearing: he/she should be able to come up with something. Incidentally, no helmet offers adequate hearing protection. Period!

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I have to agree with Rob. I don't ride anywhere without ear plugs. I don't know how some of you guys do it. I wear one of those "piece of crap" HJC helmets, and with the standard 30 decibel foam ear plugs, every ride is very pleasant. I do know that I wasn't using the foam earplugs correctly until a couple of years ago. If they are inserted properly, they shouldn't hurt and they should not back out, unless you have less than normal ear canals.

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It's an Artic Cat lid, it'd be way to hot and I the seating position and windshield keeps alot of the wind off my head.
Yeah I bet an artic cat would be a bit much.I tried a vega a while back while it wasn't really loud the pitch drove me crazy.Gave it away(he loved the hat BTW).I got an HJC (cl-14?)came with a snow&street visor.

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Earplugs... always. Or those awesome earbuds from the link above.

Sidepoint, those earbuds don't use electronic noise cancellation technology, they just seal around the ear canal for noise isolation like earplugs.

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After years of wind noise, air tools, and too loud music, my hearing is badly depleted by tinnitus (ringing in the ears) to the point of making the my most common comment in conversation "huh?"
I've got the same problem for the same reasons. My wife tells me "you're going deaf" all the time.

It sux, that's all I can say..

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Thanks for the link. I also found a reference to some Philips Noise Canceling ear buds that seem to have numerous good reviews.

All of the above mentioned helmets I've tried with ear plugs. My ears I believe are normal, but I have a hell of a time getting foam plugs all the way in. About ready to go to a crusier with a four foot tall windshield

For the most part I've always tried to protect my hearing, as I don't want to be one of those old guys saying huh? what was that? still didn't hear ya, speak up

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I want to use my i-pod as I ride. E-bay headphones in the helmet at full volume work great - at turn signal.... No wonder my ears hurt.

That made me realize that if the wind noise overwhelms the headphones then I am best to use foam plugs. I can actually hear the same day I get off the bike.

My wife calls my hearing "selective".

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quote: Hooker "If they are inserted properly, they shouldn't hurt and they should not back out"

+1 I had trouble the first few times.
Roll them back & forth firmly between your thumb & forefinger until you'd think they're too thin then gently insert the thinned plug down the ear canal (correct angle important) and let go. It will slowly expand and when it does you'll notice a difference.
I don't use them for afternoon rides but wouldn't take a trip without them.

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I had some custom fitted ones (that the guy that does hearing tests at the hospital) made for $75. Perfect fit and no chance whatsoever of them coming out. They are very quiet. If you want to see some pics of them I can upload some.

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Foam plugs should stay put if they are inserted properly. The key is to roll them real tight. I have a extra set of plugs the employees at Sirkorsky Aircraft use. I would be more than happy to send them to you. If interested, PM me with your home address.

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The terrific UK magazine "Bike" ran an article not long ago with test results from more than a dozen different earplugs. As well, a 30± different sample bag was available from two UK suppliers for around US$15.00. Naturally, this information is not readily available by goggleing... but the folks at http://earplugstore.stores.yahoo.net/trialasandki.html provide similar (if not as comprehensive) opportunities to test different brands and types.

One thing the Bike authors stressed, "... without earplugs you WILL suffer hearing loss."

The Shoei J-Wing atop a Honda 919 provides enough noise to rival a freight train. With decent earplugs the minor convenience (buying, fitting, repeating) is more than outweighed by the quieter environment.

So many SUVs... so comparitively few rollovers.

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+1 on the earplugs. I don't use them around town, but if I am going to be on the freeway then they are a must. You can still hear the things that matter (horns and such) but they block that dreaded and harmful wind noise. I actually think it's distracting not to have earplugs in on the freeway. A little quiet makes it easier to concentrate IMO, which is a good thing with cages all around.

I have a bunch of different kinds, but the following are my favorites. Mine don't have the cord between them and I cut down the little finger grasp things so that they didn't hit my helmet.

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Harley riders don't wear earplugs OR helmets, and they're fine....


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Harley riders don't wear earplugs OR helmets, and they're fine....


no brain, no pain........

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Harley riders don't wear earplugs OR helmets, and they're fine....

You're just jealous that H-D twins are larger than yours!

Tough one on the noise. I use both the contoured ear plugs and Shure buds with my i-Pod, both work well. Helmet of choice for distance is RF-1000.

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ok, so wtf is wrong w/ me

From your descriptions, wind noise is a real pain in the as---...err, ear, but I guess I've never been bothered by it. Of course, I don't have the 100 mile commute, and only do multi-hundred milers on weekends, but I ride almost every day and don't really get bothered by the noise. The only thing that really bugged me was going to the Tool concert about 3 weeks ago. That hurt for 2 days after...

Anyway, so I guess I'm going to go get some earplugs and ride w/ them...sounds like I could be doing damage even though it's not bugging me.

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Try this site, etymotic.com, they make a good range of products. I find that it is very noise without earplugs, engine and wind. I ride with an older Arai Corsair and it is quite noise. good luck

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From your descriptions, wind noise is a real pain in the as---...err, ear, but I guess I've never been bothered by it. Of course, I don't have the 100 mile commute, and only do multi-hundred milers on weekends, but I ride almost every day and don't really get bothered by the noise. The only thing that really bugged me was going to the Tool concert about 3 weeks ago. That hurt for 2 days after...

Anyway, so I guess I'm going to go get some earplugs and ride w/ them...sounds like I could be doing damage even though it's not bugging me.

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"In an informal survey, UF audiologists at the College of Public Health and Health Professions have found nearly half produced sounds above 100 decibels when throttled up -- equivalent in intensity to a loud rock concert or a chainsaw."

I know that at highway speeds wind noise is about equal to the sound of my insanely loud motorcycle revved up.

If it's not bothering you then it has already done damage or you probably have previous hearing impairment.

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If it's not bothering you then it has already done damage or you probably have previous hearing impairment.

"In an informal survey, UF audiologists at the College of Public Health and Health Professions have found nearly half produced sounds above 100 decibels when throttled up -- equivalent in intensity to a loud rock concert or a chainsaw."
I guess it's possible, but I've only been riding a lot in the past 2 years, and it never bothered me, even in the beginning. I had my hearing checked a year ago, and everything was good when they checked. Maybe it's the old tank of a Shoei I've got...I just bought a new helmet (sitting on my doorstep waiting for me) so I'll try it out, see if it's louder. In any case, I'll start wearing ear protection now.

Maybe my pain tolerance is high

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I guess it's possible, but I've only been riding a lot in the past 2 years, and it never bothered me, even in the beginning. I had my hearing checked a year ago, and everything was good when they checked. Maybe it's the old tank of a Shoei I've got...I just bought a new helmet (sitting on my doorstep waiting for me) so I'll try it out, see if it's louder. In any case, I'll start wearing ear protection now.

Maybe my pain tolerance is high
Two years riding without hearing protection? Then I'd say you have lost some ability in the hearing department. If you would have tested right before you started riding and then a year later, I bet you'd see a permenant difference. 100's of studies can't be wrong.

I'm just writing that so others may aspire having the ability to hear more than just constant tones in their ears when they're 30.

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Hearing loss is mostly painless.They drive rivets(real rviets,not pop type) with air Hammers where I work.The noise is painless but will still make you old before your time!

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Yeah freaking wind noise is the topping on the deaf cake for me.

It started when i turned 17 and threw 2 12" subwoofers and 8 speakers on a 2000 watt amp in my first car and trying to be cool by pumping bass everywhere i went whenever people were around. That plus an obsession for seeing live concerts and then motorcycles.

Yeah im in my early 20's and can tell you that being partly deaf sucks. Luckily my friends and coworkers know im deaf now but when they didn't i would constantly have them repeat themselves or just nod and say yeah to whatever i was asked.

being deaf blows!!! but i love riding to much to let it effect me

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Cause and effect

While my post emphasizing hearing loss seems to have gotten a number of riders thinking about it, and deciding to wear earplugs (a definite good thing), the first point got lost in all the noise and confusion: take the fairing/flyscreen/whatever off! In dozens of cases, riders new to these things, especially if they bought the bike with one on it, blame the bike, the helmet, indeed everything but the screen as the cause of their discomfort. After all, it's supposed to provide wind protection, right? Wrong! most of them are simply style and nothing more. The look on their faces after the first ride without the screen is (despite the cliche) priceless. In consequence of this, I always strongly recommend removal. If you are running one, try it. It couldn't hurt.

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Yeah freaking wind noise is the topping on the deaf cake for me.

It started when i turned 17 and threw 2 12" subwoofers and 8 speakers on a 2000 watt amp in my first car and trying to be cool by pumping bass everywhere i went whenever people were around. That plus an obsession for seeing live concerts and then motorcycles.

Yeah im in my early 20's and can tell you that being partly deaf sucks. Luckily my friends and coworkers know im deaf now but when they didn't i would constantly have them repeat themselves or just nod and say yeah to whatever i was asked.

being deaf blows!!! but i love riding to much to let it effect me
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I'm in the same boat, plus I shoot guns and get bombed. Ears, who needs em anyways. Now it doesn't bother me as much when she's nagging for a reason or another.

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After all, it's supposed to provide wind protection, right? Wrong! most of them are simply style and nothing more. The look on their faces after the first ride without the screen is (despite the cliche) priceless. In consequence of this, I always strongly recommend removal. If you are running one, try it. It couldn't hurt.

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+1 Rob. I removed my OEM screen when I added dual headlights. As it turned out, removing the screen was a bonus. No more helmet bobblehead / buffeting, less noise, clean air. Much better.

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While my post emphasizing hearing loss seems to have gotten a number of riders thinking about it, and deciding to wear earplugs (a definite good thing), the first point got lost in all the noise and confusion: take the fairing/flyscreen/whatever off! In dozens of cases, riders new to these things, especially if they bought the bike with one on it, blame the bike, the helmet, indeed everything but the screen as the cause of their discomfort. After all, it's supposed to provide wind protection, right? Wrong! most of them are simply style and nothing more. The look on their faces after the first ride without the screen is (despite the cliche) priceless. In consequence of this, I always strongly recommend removal. If you are running one, try it. It couldn't hurt.

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He is right so give it a try.

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I have to concur with Rob here. Took the screen off and it made a big difference in noise and head buffeting. Sure I get the full brunt of the wind in my chest, but I'm used to it now.

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Helmets

Helmets do make a difference. I replaced a Vega with a Scorpion and the difference in wind noise is significantly less. I should try rigging up my decibel meter to see (hear) how significant.

Earplugs do work as well. I am used to loud noises - I work on jet engines, but music is my passion. My hearing is tested yearly and it is exceptional despite 20 years of listening to jet engines.

Either way, protect your hearing. Studies have shown that deaf people are more depressed than blind people. Hearing makes you a part of the community.

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try different styles of ear plugs till u find 1 u like
i got 3 years on this pair don't leave home...................
reach around the back of your head with your free hand pull your ear back with your thumb and forfinger then shove it in
foam is a pain get plastic, no rolling, last longer.
also helmet sould be real real snug.
and last, its a naked windshields are 4 cars.

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The molded ones work great. Just look in the Yellow pages for Hearing Aids, any place that sells them will make the ear plugs.

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I had an old HJC cl12. What an incredibly loud helmet. I agree with Rob, ditch the screen and use ear plugs. Hearing loss is no joke. It sucks the fun out of group conversations for me. I have normal size ear canals and use hearos brand plugs found at most drug stores. Cheap and re-useable. Grab the top of your ear and pull up to get them in. I carry those cheap little foil pac alcohol wipes to clean my fingers when on longer rides to avoid getting germs on the plugs.

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my mary snores like a freight train.. as do sugar and nina (the two fat a$$ rotties in the picture with her).. i wake up with ringing ears..lol..

i wear a shoei helmet and my ipod earplugs do a decent job of killing the wind noise.. i have to wear a bandana to hold the plugs in place as i have cauliflower ears from a having a misspent youth...lol



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my $0.02 go to a gun show find the guy who makes custom fit ear plugs and get them done. cost like $40 in Cali. they feel very nice and work very well.

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I totally agree with Rob. The windscreen could be causing more trouble than it is worth. My factory windscreen only blocks wind to my chest and allows my head/helmet to cut through pretty clean air.

The helmet I wear is a gmax 68s. It is much quieter and lighter than my other helmets



I don't wear earplugs on my commute since I put stock exhaust back and and don't go over 40 it is really quiet. If I go anywhere but work I always put them in.

I use Howard Leight direct insert smart fit earplugs. The photo shows them with a string on them, but I just use them without it.


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