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Who's ridden the Yamaha triple?

How does it compare to the 919's engine?

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I can't find the sportrider dyno chart but I do know the 919 torque goes above 60 whereas the triple doesn't get even close. Amazing what Honda did with that engine all those years ago.

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Slightly off topic, but I got to ride a Triumph Street Triple last week. Weight, brakes, chassis, amazing. I wanna say it is down quite a bit of torque compared to 919. Exhaust note is awesome though. Definitely like the power of 919 better.

I have yet to ride the FZ-09. I keep missing demo days.

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I rode a Street triple too and that thing rips. Incredible handling and I think my next bike will have a triple.

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I heard the Yamaha yesterday as it drove by in the opposite direction, and it sounded very nice and healthy with it's triple growl..

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A good riding friend has an FZ-09. It's a really fun package, with the caveat that the suspension and twitchy throttle will occasionally work together and try to kill you.

It doesn't feel as it has the TQ of the 919, but it's a fast bike, just not the easiest bike to ride fast.

I couldn't get over how bad the front suspension was. I might get the adventure version in a year or so to supplement my other bikes, but without suspension and a fuel map, the FZ-09 wouldn't be my only bike, period.

But loads of fun, can't beat the price, pretty damn durable if it takes a nap.


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I test rode an FZ-09 and a Street Triple before I bought the 919. I came from a Buell XB9R, and just HAD to have more torque than the Street Triple could offer. The FZ-09 and 919 both have plenty of juice. The FZ-09's motor is way smoother than the 919 motor, but I do think it is more peaky than the 919.

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I test rode the FZ-09 at a Yamaha Demo day and thought the bike/motor was pretty sweet. Just like the (stock) 919, the motor made a sweet sound when in a certain RPM range... I don't remember what it was since I found the tach a little difficult to read (shaky, small letters, having too much fun to look at my spedo).

It's been a while since I rode a 919, but I would have thought it had more torque... but it could be that the FZ was (or at least felt) quite a bit lighter. If I (or the wife) was in the market for a new street bike, the FZ-09 would be at the top of the list.



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It's been a while since I rode a 919, but I would have thought it had more torque... but it could be that the FZ was (or at least felt) quite a bit lighter. If I (or the wife) was in the market for a new street bike, the FZ-09 would be at the top of the list.
That's a good comment. The 919 definitely feels heavier than the FZ-09 did. I'm going to try riding my 919 to a Yamaha demo day this weekend, so I can do a direct comparison for you. I still rate that bike very highly.

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Wet weight of the FZ-09 is about 415 lbs, 919 is about 100 lbs more. So the Yam will feel quicker, for sure.

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Im looking at the fj09 which weighs about the same as 919. My eyes see the 9r making damn good usr of that extra 72cc especially for such an old design.

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But loads of fun, can't beat the price, pretty damn durable if it takes a nap.
Don't know what the factory guys told you but this is not how you create a new bike.

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hard to beat the good ole 919.

its whats keeping me from selling it.

That stated the FZ-09 i have sat on one and its a Light feeling skinny bike. I have not heard great things about suspension on it though.

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I have not heard great things about suspension on it though.
Yeah, but what new bike DOES have good factory suspension... Let alone budget bikes.

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Yeah, but what new bike DOES have good factory suspension... Let alone budget bikes.
triumph speed triple or ktm duke 1290. Thats about the only bike id easily replace the 9er for if i had the money.

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I'll heartily disagree with the first line of post #16. The 919 was a near miss. Were it not for Fuel Injection, the 919 was 10 years old when it was introduced. Cast iron front fork clamps? Steel handle bar, shifter and brake levers? Hey Honda, there's this new metal out. It's called aluminum. Hell, the kick stand on my Super Duke is aluminum. Why'd they de tune the awesome CBR900 engine? The 919 could have been really special.

The Speed Trip is really heavy feeling. Great engine. Sounds like a farm tractor.

The 675 Street Triple R is a cool little bike. My friend let me ride his a couple of times. Plenty fast; light and narrow. <That's what I'd have, if I was to buy another bike.

The 2014 FZ9 had a cheap suspention, from everything I've read. So like most Jap bikes, by the time you correct all the deficencies, it no longer a bargain. I don't know about the newest ones. Another friend has an FZ9. He says it'll get close to 50 mpg, which is pretty good. The yellow one is sharp. Tempting......

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This is what I saw across the street from my house day before yesterday:

2015 Yamaha FZ-07- First Look Review- Photos- Specifications: Arriving soon: the FZ-09’s little twin, priced at $6990.

It was white and it was an eye catcher.

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They are very similar motors. Everyone praises the 09 motor. Why not the 919 motor? Well, most have never ridden one. Yamaha has done a pretty good job with demos and Honda, not so much. Heck, most people wrote the 919 off. "It doesn't have a fairing", "it's 25 horse down on the FZ1". "it's a girl's bike", etc. Heard it all, and it's still my favorite naked that I've owned and I've had a few (SV1000N, FZ1, ZRX1100, Bandit 1200, SV650N).

Look at some of the new naked bikes coming out. The GSX750, Z800, & Hornet 800. It's lighter then all of those, has more torque, & holds more fuel. I think Honda got it right. A 2002 design that's still kicking ass compared to 2015's. The bike works. The FZ09 is unique in the group because of it's lighter weight.

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I'll heartily disagree with the first line of post #16. The 919 was a near miss. Were it not for Fuel Injection, the 919 was 10 years old when it was introduced. Cast iron front fork clamps? Steel handle bar, shifter and brake levers? Hey Honda, there's this new metal out. It's called aluminum. Hell, the kick stand on my Super Duke is aluminum. Why'd they de tune the awesome CBR900 engine? The 919 could have been really special.

The Speed Trip is really heavy feeling. Great engine. Sounds like a farm tractor.

The 675 Street Triple R is a cool little bike. My friend let me ride his a couple of times. Plenty fast; light and narrow. <That's what I'd have, if I was to buy another bike.

The 2014 FZ9 had a cheap suspention, from everything I've read. So like most Jap bikes, by the time you correct all the deficencies, it no longer a bargain. I don't know about the newest ones. Another friend has an FZ9. He says it'll get close to 50 mpg, which is pretty good. The yellow one is sharp. Tempting......
Couldn't agree more with this post, especially the first paragraph and the last.
The 919 could have been something really special with just a little more thought. It mostly has beautiful lines, only to be spoiled by that hideous front end, even Ducati has USD forks on its GT1000 for petes sakes. And that skinny, flexi thing they call a frame? As you said, it was already old at its time of release.
And I have said it a few times already, so pardon me for saying so again, but as you say, by the time you correct bikes like the 919 and most other Jap bikes, not only money, but time and effort, its the price of a European equivalent that comes out of the factory already sharp.
Actually, the Jap bikes are not cheap anymore and very close in price to European bikes in retail, in NZ and Australia anyway. Pre 2009 you could get just about any Jap bike for under $20K, no longer possible (I am talking higer end of the scale, litre bikes, etc.). 2008/2009 there was a massive price hike with Jap bikes in NZ. They all run about mid $20K's, very close and in some cases the same and even more expensive than some Euro's. Actually, from what I have seen, the Euro's are becoming better priced.
The Europeans already come out highly spec'd and their reliability getting very close to the Japanese, IMO (maybe with brands like BMW, just as reliable).


Don't get me wrong, I like Jap bikes, I just wish the likes of Honda would get rid of what is obviously accountants running the joint and stop relying on the old parts bin as they have done for the past 20 years or so. Yes mate, its time to put down the skinny forks, the generic brakes and suspension, the same ol mirrors and bits and pieces you have been using for the last few decades. Hire some stylists/designers from Italy as well, as the Italians are about the only nationality that can style anything from a handbag, an under and over shotgun to a motorcycle, not just beautifully, but turn it into a work of art. Maybe the Germans as well (BMW, Merc, Audi, etc).

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I'll heartily disagree with the first line of post #16. The 919 was a near miss. Were it not for Fuel Injection, the 919 was 10 years old when it was introduced. Cast iron front fork clamps? Steel handle bar, shifter and brake levers? Hey Honda, there's this new metal out. It's called aluminum. Hell, the kick stand on my Super Duke is aluminum. Why'd they de tune the awesome CBR900 engine? The 919 could have been really special.

The Speed Trip is really heavy feeling. Great engine. Sounds like a farm tractor.

The 675 Street Triple R is a cool little bike. My friend let me ride his a couple of times. Plenty fast; light and narrow. <That's what I'd have, if I was to buy another bike.

The 2014 FZ9 had a cheap suspention, from everything I've read. So like most Jap bikes, by the time you correct all the deficencies, it no longer a bargain. I don't know about the newest ones. Another friend has an FZ9. He says it'll get close to 50 mpg, which is pretty good. The yellow one is sharp. Tempting......
The 919 was built to a price, blame the US market, not Honda. They didn't de-tune the engine either and anyone who's owned a CBR900RR (I had two) would know that. They re-tuned it. The 900RR was a slow-revving slug of an engine that made numbers as low as 113hp with a hole in the midrange as big as Gapolexa's ass (Google her when you're not at work) Truth is, the engine never really shined until they modified it for use in the 919 and if you look at the dyno charts in this thread it still remains one of the most accessable street motors ever made. Give the bike some credit, I'd also argue it's one of the most reliable motorcycles ever built.


Your KTM (I owned an SMT and it was a piece of shit) is an apples to oranges comparison and substantially more expensive pound for pound so watch it crumple like tin foil in a crash. For us cheapskates that just want their bike to start every single time and run like new no matter how you treat it, Honda nailed it with the 919. For you to call it a near miss is laughable.

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The 919 was built to a price, blame the US market, not Honda. They didn't de-tune the engine either and anyone who's owned a CBR900RR (I had two) would know that. They re-tuned it. The 900RR was a slow-revving slug of an engine that made numbers as low as 113hp with a hole in the midrange as big as Gapolexa's ass (Google her when you're not at work) Truth is, the engine never really shined until they modified it for use in the 919 and if you look at the dyno charts in this thread it still remains one of the most accessable street motors ever made. Give the bike some credit, I'd also argue it's one of the most reliable motorcycles ever built.


Your KTM (I owned an SMT and it was a piece of shit) is an apples to oranges comparison and substantially more expensive pound for pound so watch it crumple like tin foil in a crash. For us cheapskates that just want their bike to start every single time and run like new no matter how you treat it, Honda nailed it with the 919. For you to call it a near miss is laughable.
I think we're on the same page.........see post #21

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The 919 was built to a price, blame the US market, not Honda. They didn't de-tune the engine either and anyone who's owned a CBR900RR (I had two) would know that. They re-tuned it. The 900RR was a slow-revving slug of an engine that made numbers as low as 113hp with a hole in the midrange as big as Gapolexa's ass (Google her when you're not at work) Truth is, the engine never really shined until they modified it for use in the 919 and if you look at the dyno charts in this thread it still remains one of the most accessable street motors ever made. Give the bike some credit, I'd also argue it's one of the most reliable motorcycles ever built.


Your KTM (I owned an SMT and it was a piece of shit) is an apples to oranges comparison and substantially more expensive pound for pound so watch it crumple like tin foil in a crash. For us cheapskates that just want their bike to start every single time and run like new no matter how you treat it, Honda nailed it with the 919. For you to call it a near miss is laughable.
I am going out on a limb, but I am guessing that the 919 (or Hornet everywhere else) was built to compete with other Jap naked's at the time and from what I understand the US market is anything but big on Jap UJM/nakeds.
I was told/heard/read that the 919 was built to compete with the Suzuki SV1000N (not sure you have it in the US).

I think Sniper's comment about the 919 being a near miss, it's because it could have been so much more at arguably little extra cost (if you figure in what stuff ACTUALLY costs at production level).
For a start google sv1000n and look at the frame... (and the SV was a cheap bike).
So how much more, at production level, would it have cost Honda to have given it a better frame, and not the best, but at least semi-decent suspension?
Would it really have cost that much more for USD forks and a reasonable rear shock?

How many bikers are very quick to spend money on all sorts of other crap, like "better" exhausts, because they get 5 hp extra that they aren't going to do anything different or better with, than they have done or can do with the already 100hp that the bike came with stock? I'd say quite a few, if not the majority. So how much does the extra exhaust system cost, plus all the other "bling"? Factor in time and effort and it amounts to quite a bit.The first thing they should spend money on should be suspension. I'd hazard a guess and say very few do.

So I'll gladly have paid the little extra for Honda to have given us a better frame and suspension and have less money left over to buy "bling".

Yes, the motor is excellent, so is the tank size and the styling spot on except the front end, but that is subjective.
I commuted and had weekend fun on one for 5 years and 63 000 km's.
If I had extra cash lying around and could justify the running costs associated with having a vehicle, I'd buy one again as a work horse.

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a hole in the midrange as big as Gapolexa's ass
You missed the word hole. Just googled her - man, that's nasty.

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