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WHo sells the good frame sliders?

I wanted to pick up a set and dont want the kind that break the engine or break the bank. So best deal on the good sliders?

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try los crash protection i got a set couple of weeks ago cos me 40 pound with p&p thay are turned out on a lathe not injection moulded thay also give the drill bit and some cutting grease

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I've got the Motovation frame mounted sliders.
You do have to enlarge the existing hole, I used a carbide tipped bit.

http://www.motovationusa.com/mvstore...?idproduct=201
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I've got the Motovation frame mounted sliders.
You do have to enlarge the existing hole, I used a carbide tipped bit.

http://www.motovationusa.com/mvstore...?idproduct=201
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My bike has a pair of Sato Racing sliders that are mounted on the engine. I would like to buy a set that mounts to the frame, but the ones I've seen are HUGE.

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You have 3 shoices. Bolt to the frame. Bolt to the engine case.

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If you want to do it right, get GSG. They have a 2 point mount system. They're not cheap.

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Sato thought they had it right too.

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I like LOS; Motovation uses all-thread, LOS uses a stud that's threaded on both ends. I just had to test it for y'all.
This is after a 10' slide that broke off the footpeg causing the damage on the stator cover. The bike also hit the dirt embankment and sounded like it did a hop. Can't tell for sure sice I got turned aroud while sliding; just going by the sound it made.





Hey, do me a favor, if you decide to get the LOS, can you get an extra left side (shifter side) slider. It should not increase the shipping charges. I'll PayPal you for the cost plus shipping charges to California.
I don't feel like paying them $30 for shipping.

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Sato had a 1 point mounting. GSG has 2.

I have sliders on my bike. I'm not sure any of em are going to do a lot of good. Looks like the alt cover is going to take most of it.

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As far as sliders go, I just use the standard molded ones that are extra long and have a good replacement insurance policy.

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What material does LOS make their sliders out of? I'm surpised the slider didn't hold up better. It looks like 2-3 inches of slider was ate off. I bought the motovation sliders and I believe they use Delrin material.

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Motovation does not use Delrin, they use a stronger formulation. See:
http://www.motovationusa.com/index_MVdiff.htm

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You have 3 shoices. Bolt to the frame. Bolt to the engine case.

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Sato had a 1 point mounting. GSG has 2.

I have sliders on my bike. I'm not sure any of em are going to do a lot of good. Looks like the alt cover is going to take most of it.
Didn't we go through this a few months ago┬┐ Yes. GSG has a 2 point mounting plate , but was the point missed that their second mounting point is through the blatantly obvious, highly inadvisable engine mounting points.

Also a $200 price tag is breaking the bank for a pair of frame sliders. Unless those things wear down at a rate .000000000000000001 mm for every 50ft they slide against the asphalt that is a steep price for sliders that you will have to replace every time you go down. And the description for these and there $50 engine mounted sliders is exactly the same, "Constructed of heavy-duty machined steel, aluminum, and Delrin, GSG-Moto clutch/alternator protectors are designed to provide maximum protection and high-quality fit and finish." http://www.twistedthrottle.com/trade/productlist/197/. You would think $200 is also worthy of a more specific description.

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You have 3 shoices. Bolt to the frame. Bolt to the engine case.

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If you want to do it right, get GSG. They have a 2 point mount system. They're not cheap.
Here's what they look like on my 919:

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Didn't we go through this a few months ago¿ Yes. GSG has a 2 point mounting plate , but was the point missed that their second mounting point is through the blatantly obvious, highly inadvisable engine mounting points.

Also a $200 price tag is breaking the bank for a pair of frame sliders. Unless those things wear down at a rate .000000000000000001 mm for every 50ft they slide against the asphalt that is a steep price for sliders that you will have to replace every time you go down. And the description for these and there $50 engine mounted sliders is exactly the same, "Constructed of heavy-duty machined steel, aluminum, and Delrin, GSG-Moto clutch/alternator protectors are designed to provide maximum protection and high-quality fit and finish." http://www.twistedthrottle.com/trade/productlist/197/. You would think $200 is also worthy of a more specific description.
Maybe so, but then maybe not. The second mounting point is not in direct impact from a drop. Besides, I still believe the Satos in that pic are a result from a "slam down" into the pavement, and not neccessary a low-side slide. Nevertheless, the loads from impact are now gonna be distributed over 2 points rather than 1. I'm no Engineer, but I am an Architect, and from what I understand from my Engineering classes and work experience, the distributed load is much better than a single point load.

The more important aspect of the GSG design is that it locates the actual slider at a point that offers the best protection for the Stator cover.

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I will surrender that I am no Architect or Engineer. I work on electronics. My only question with that is, has GSG or anyone tested the load strength of those engine mounts? To the point at which they can say that no matter how hard the spill, distributing the force over these to points keeps it under the breaking point of the engine mount.

I do agree, they are in a much better position to protect the stator cover, but I would rather replace the stator cover than have to find someone to weld the engine back together. If someone can prove/guarantee that those sliders will not snap the engine mounts apart, I will have no problem shelling out the money for them. For now, personally, the cons outweigh the pros with those GSG sliders.

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Damage to the stator cover was due to the breakage of the Sato footpeg; the material that the slider is made of was not the reason for it.


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Sokali how did your gas tank look? Does the left slider protect anything?

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Damage to the stator cover is because it's the lowest part on the bike & first to come in contact with the ground.

See pic. I was curious.

All that is touching is the cover, foot peg & two tires.
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No damage to the tank.
Check out the rest of the pix here: https://www.wristtwisters.com/forum/s...&postcount=149

The scratches on the front of the stator cover are from a prior collision. The grind marks are new. I believe the stud holding the Sato footpeg broke from the weight of the bike and then the grinding started.

IMHO Motovation is fine, but I would replace the allthread with a rod threaded at both ends. I'm also thinking of adding swingarm spools.

EDIT: Oops, didn't see your post Mikey.
You mean I had the B-yuch leaned over that far.

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Yes.I agree. The foot pegs are not quite strong enough to handle the full load of the bike.
Frame sliders are supposed to grind down when you use them, that's why they are so darn long.
Then you put on new ones for the next go round.
Thats a mod that you want to get ruined when it's in use.

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So the cover started grinding, then the footpeg broke, probably the same time the tires lost contact.


I need to go see Hasbeen; I'm sure he can help dial in my suspension for me.
I think the sag was too much; I wasn't hanging off the bike enough, but might've avoided going down if the suspension was set up properly.

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Put the rear pre load 1up from stock & get your front sag at 35mm.
Adjust rebound if you have it to where it won't bounce over rollers.
Then.... GOOOO!

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Mikey, can you measure the left LOS slider on your bike when you get a chance? I'm curious how much got scrubbed off during my slide.

Also, since the bike tucked down at the apex of the sweeper, my lean angle was probably a bit less than your bike's in the picture.

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I'm sure of it. LOL There is absolutely no tire at that point.
FYI: My rear sets are up two & back two.

The slider length is 3.150", or for you metric folk, 80mm.

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Just measured it; it's 2 15/16 on the bottom and 3 1/16 on top.
You metric folks can Google a converion chart.

The rearsets came stock at 1 up and 1 back.
In the full tuck position at Willow Springs, I needed more "room". I was thinking of changing the bars. But after the slide, I tried the 2 up and 2 back.
I rode GMR and after about 45 minutes of twisties my legs started cramping up. So I went down 1, now I'm at 1 up and 2 back.
Wouldn't mind trying Rob's custom bars at my track school on June 28th.

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Just measured it; it's 2 15/16 on the bottom and 3 1/16 on top.
You metric folks can Google a converion chart.

The rearsets came stock at 1 up and 1 back.
In the full tuck position at Willow Springs, I needed more "room". I was thinking of changing the bars. But after the slide, I tried the 2 up and 2 back.
I rode GMR and after about 45 minutes of twisties my legs started cramping up. So I went down 1, now I'm at 1 up and 2 back.
Wouldn't mind trying Rob's custom bars at my track school on June 28th.
So how much material rubbed off your slider? I know when I had a low-speed low-side, quite a bit of my Satos rubbed off... maybe 1/2" sliding about 30 ft on asphalt.

The reason I suspect the Satos in this pic is the result of a high-side, and the bike literally fell on top of the slider, thus cracking the tab on the case, is because there's very little material rubbed off on only the impact edge of the slider.

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About 1/8 to 1/4 inch is all. I'm not replacing it just yet.

I don't know how the engine case broke; I wouldn't have used that type even if it didn't risk damaging cases.

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Motovation now uses a stainless rod that is threaded at both ends. I emailed them about it.

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No damage to the tank.
Check out the rest of the pix here: https://www.wristtwisters.com/forum/s...&postcount=149

The scratches on the front of the stator cover are from a prior collision. The grind marks are new. I believe the stud holding the Sato footpeg broke from the weight of the bike and then the grinding started.

IMHO Motovation is fine, but I would replace the allthread with a rod threaded at both ends. I'm also thinking of adding swingarm spools.

EDIT: Oops, didn't see your post Mikey.
You mean I had the B-yuch leaned over that far.

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