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I have a stock '07 919 and can bring the front tire up very easy in first gear but am having trouble in 2nd and 3rd. Any idea's ?

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try sitting on the back seat, go through 1st get about halfway through second pull in the clutch nail the gas give it a second to redline then pop the clutch. that should do it, where a helmet.

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Get a more powerful/lighter front end bike?

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3rd gear might be asking for too much with the 919 unless you are already at or near the balance point. Practice makes perfect.

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by a gixxer, a jason britton t-shirt, and a green mohawk for your helmet. you should be doin 100mph stand ups in no time
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Its easy to power wheelie the 919......it will wheelie in 2nd off the throttle with standard gearing quite easily.........accelerate, then shut off the throttle and then whack it open quickly again...the front will come up, just practise it. If you go + 3 on the rear sprocket it will also do the same in third gear....sometimes it may help to tug the bars a little when you whack open the throttle

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it will wheelie in 2nd off the throttle with standard gearing quite easily.........
Hrm. I don't know about "quite easily" -- keeping your weight back ( balls not mashing the tank ), and bouncing it for all it's worth is still going to be a challenge in 2nd gear.

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I was visiting a local dealership a year or two ago when a guy parked next to me commented about my bike, "I hear those things are real wheelie machines"....
I replied, "hmm, I've never had the front end off the ground"

Not trying to piss on your parade craig, I'm just curious as to where the 919 developed an image as a bike that is prone to front-end liftage. The comment I got from this guy wasn't the first that I had heard.

I've never tried to wheelie my bike. If I had two of them & didn't mind thrashing one of them, then I'd probably take an interest, but I don't so I guess I'll keep on doing what I do. [/random comment]


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I was visiting a local dealership a year or two ago when a guy parked next to me commented about my bike, "I hear those things are real wheelie machines"....
I replied, "hmm, I've never had the front end off the ground"

Not trying to piss on your parade craig, I'm just curious as to where the 919 developed an image as a bike that is prone to front-end liftage. The comment I got from this guy wasn't the first that I had heard.

I've never tried to wheelie my bike. If I had two of them & didn't mind thrashing one of them, then I'd probably take an interest, but I don't so I guess I'll keep on doing what I do. [/random comment]

I've heard the same thing. Mine will actually wheelie fairly easily if you let the hooligan thoughts make it to your right wrist. I tend to ride with my butt at the rear of the seat and my wheelbase has been shortened by installing a shorter chain.

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I'm just curious as to where the 919 developed an image as a bike that is prone to front-end liftage.
Just about any review on the bike when released had photos of it on one-wheel.

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i think a lot of us are...more...ahem "mature" riders who haven't really gone looking for a lesson in unicycling on the 919. but yeah, it's a 65-ish ft lb. engine in a (claimed, dry) 427 pound bike. that's a recipe for around town wheelies but less so the "top of the first three gears" wheelie that a sportbike might do. a throttle chop/whack around 4,500 rpms timed just right with a weight / balance "bounce" is THE way to do it, other than clutching 'er up.

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I was visiting a local dealership a year or two ago when a guy parked next to me commented about my bike, "I hear those things are real wheelie machines"....
I replied, "hmm, I've never had the front end off the ground"

Not trying to piss on your parade craig, I'm just curious as to where the 919 developed an image as a bike that is prone to front-end liftage. The comment I got from this guy wasn't the first that I had heard.

I've never tried to wheelie my bike. If I had two of them & didn't mind thrashing one of them, then I'd probably take an interest, but I don't so I guess I'll keep on doing what I do. [/random comment]

damnit you just inspired me to get my other 9er going, and to take out a huge life insurance/disability policy.

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I weighed my bike a month ago - 441 lbs (not sure how much fuel was in it at the time, just happened to be at a place with a scale & thought, sure, why not?

I'm probably 215 in full gear.
I'm guessing that could be a fairly sizable factor in my inability to get it up, so to speak.

The other part is, I just don't have urge to try it.

Again, I'm not dogging on those who do, just wanted to know where the "919 wheelie beast" image came from.

Thanks for the insight

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omaha, is that the weight of a fairly stock bike? no titanium, no major mods to exhaust? frankly, 441 with a little gas in it is much closer to the "claimed, dry" 427 cited by Honda than i'd have thought. usually "dry" means no fuel, fork or shock fluid, no water in the battery, no brake fluids, coolant...and that's before the out and out lying starts ! gotta go find me a scale once the Tinman is running.

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I've heard the 900RR was a popular choice with the stunt crowd. Maybe people are getting the two confused??

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omaha, is that the weight of a fairly stock bike? no titanium, no major mods to exhaust? frankly, 441 with a little gas in it is much closer to the "claimed, dry" 427 cited by Honda than i'd have thought. usually "dry" means no fuel, fork or shock fluid, no water in the battery, no brake fluids, coolant...and that's before the out and out lying starts ! gotta go find me a scale once the Tinman is running.
I heard "dry" also includes no tires.

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Again, I'm not dogging on those who do, just wanted to know where the "919 wheelie beast" image came from.

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I'm probably 215 in full gear.
I'm guessing that could be a fairly sizable factor in my inability to get it up, so to speak.
I'm similar if not a few pounds heavier.

If you're not trying, it's not gonna happen.

But the 919 makes it pretty darn easy.

1. Sit up. Give your balls 1-2" room from the tank.
2. Get going in first about 15mph.
3. Lightly chop the throttle, then immediately apply full throttle and hold.
For step 3, what people usually do is lean forward or scoot forward... and that little action is often enough to diminish the wheely factor.

If you do those 3 steps, you're not going to be floating 6 foot wheelies... rather, you'll probably ride a nice 1 footer for a few thousand RPM.

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i have tried to power the wheel up in different positions and in different rpm ranges in 2nd gear and all i can get it to do is come up about 5 inches but then it goes right back down.

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craig, look on the bright side: that's still a wheelie ! loft over a log and keep going down the trail...wait...this is the XR600 forum, right?

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i have tried to power the wheel up in different positions and in different rpm ranges in 2nd gear and all i can get it to do is come up about 5 inches but then it goes right back down.
Try it in first gear.

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first gear does it very easily but i want to be able to get it in 2nd and maybe 3rd

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As a side note, I thought the 919 was ~485lbs wet.

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There is no '' magic secret'' anyone can give you, you have to learn it yourself.Good luck and don't forget to cover that rear brake.

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first gear does it very easily but i want to be able to get it in 2nd and maybe 3rd
2nd...maybe, but not easily
3rd...I'd say pretty much out of the question. What will power wheelie in 3rd gear?

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all i can get it to do is come up about 5 inches but then it goes right back down.
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2nd...maybe, but not easily
3rd...I'd say pretty much out of the question. What will power wheelie in 3rd gear?
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What will power wheelie in 3rd gear?

I had an Aprilia Mille that would. That bike was alot of fun but not real practical. Got me alot of trouble with the the guys in the cars with the bubble gum machine tops.

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first gear does it very easily but i want to be able to get it in 2nd and maybe 3rd
Do what everyone else does....slip the shit out of the clutch and you'll get it up.

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omaha, is that the weight of a fairly stock bike? no titanium, no major mods to exhaust? frankly, 441 with a little gas in it is much closer to the "claimed, dry" 427 cited by Honda than i'd have thought. usually "dry" means no fuel, fork or shock fluid, no water in the battery, no brake fluids, coolant...and that's before the out and out lying starts ! gotta go find me a scale once the Tinman is running.
Bucky, that's a near stock '02.
Yoshimura CF Tri-Oval cans save a bit of weight, but other than that it's full of fluids needed for riding.
But like I said, not sure where my fuel level was at the time. We were out on a ride and stopped by a shop that happened to have a scale available so I pulled off my tank bag & rolled it up there.

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I pass a sand/gravel place every day. I should ride up on the scale and find out what I weigh some day.

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Bucky, that's a near stock '02.
Yoshimura CF Tri-Oval cans save a bit of weight, but other than that it's full of fluids needed for riding.
But like I said, not sure where my fuel level was at the time. We were out on a ride and stopped by a shop that happened to have a scale available so I pulled off my tank bag & rolled it up there.

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i was there and witnessed this weigh in..... justintymes fz-1 weighed like 451pounds and my vfr with 3/4 a tank of fuel was 499.....

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Wheelies in a straight line? Forget it. They waste time and get the attention of the wrong sort that can and will stop you, at least until the paperwork is done.

Having said that, I must say that I find it very easy to get the front wheel off the ground in third and sometimes fourth -- there are many corner combinations in the twisties of Malibu (left - right and right - left transitions) that with a bit overexuberant throttle hand will loft the front wheel quite a bit despite being very up close and personal with the tank. Of course it does complicate hitting the apex of the second corner, but with experience and concentration that's not really a problem. Keep in mind that you're going at least 80 MPH when it happens so be ready for it.

I don't know if that's much help.

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