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post #1 of 30 Old 11-24-2010, 11:32 PM Thread Starter
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Help me out fellas, Im doing a wheel conversion but I F'd one of my bearings up. Im putting the f3 wheel on the front, the bearing goes in 1st then the litlle rubber gimmick right?

I tried pounding the bearing in with a socket and hammer, and fucked it up (the bearing) so I need to get a new one.

Does anyone have a good way to jam these things in with out messing them up?

And does the little rubber gimmick go on the outside of the bearing?

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Same question applies to the rear, does the little rubber gimmick go on the outside? There's only one rubber deal out back...

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post #2 of 30 Old 11-25-2010, 01:50 AM
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you could try putting the bearing in the freezer first, to shrink it a bit, if you could warm the wheel also, this will help.
grow one shrink the other.
if the interference fit is too much for you, rig up a press using your car jack and slowly push it in.
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Bearing in freezer, heat the wheel with a hair dryer or heat gun. Place the new bearing, then place the old bearing on top of it. Use whatever method you prefer best to drive the old bearing, which pushes the new bearing in place. Drive it very slowly at first. The main thing is to get the new bearing off to a square start. Once so, you can drive it to the point it is flush with the wheel and then remove the old bearing. Socket/hammer or whatever method to finish the job contacted directly onto the new bearing.

Yes, the dust seal goes in after the new bearing is driven home.

Make sure the internal spacer is in place before you drive the second new bearing in. That has pissed off more than one person.

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Make sure the internal spacer is in place before you drive the second new bearing in. That has pissed off more than one person.
This is the tube the axle rides in right?

Im gonna try the freezer trick

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This is the tube the axle rides in right?

Im gonna try the freezer trick
Yes.

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So I F'd another bearing up. Im guessing Im going about it all wrong.

I've heated the rim and froze the bearing, and tried to tap it in with a hammer using a piece of 2x4 for a buffer. The bearing wedged in about 3-4mm a tad off from flat and I screwed it up upon removal. Seems like some kind of press would be the answer...

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And yet another bearing, thats 3. I gotta order some more bearings now any way I may just give the shop up the road a few bucks to get em in.

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Dang that sucks about effing up the bearing.

Ive had good luck with a whacked out setup involving a length of 3/8" threaded rod, a socket that's as close to the outer diameter of the outer race as possible, fender washers or steel bar with a through hole. I set it all up with the socket against the race, and the threaded rod with a nut and washer into the socket and through the bore and through the fender washer(s)/steel bar, one more washer and then a nut. I use the final nut to pull the bearing in place.

Then again, I've also had good luck with the socket and hammer method. The thing to keep in mind is to tap evenly around the OD. I always only tap once in one place, then 180 then 90 from there etc. The straighter you keep it, the easier it is to tap it in. If it gets off angle, only tap the high side

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That sucks about the bearings, the only advice I can offer is to use a small dead blow(soft face) hammer and tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, etc...

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ekovach,

http://www.dansmc.com/wheel_bearing_tool1.JPG

Check this nifty lil guy out, found this after the fact!

Any one have a cheap place to buy bearings?

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Hey brian, forgot to ask, how'd the wheels come out?

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ekovach,

http://www.dansmc.com/wheel_bearing_tool1.JPG

Check this nifty lil guy out, found this after the fact!
BINGO!

Hehe not sure if I would bother pressing a bearing into that wheel he has there though.

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ekovach,

http://www.dansmc.com/wheel_bearing_tool1.JPG

Check this nifty lil guy out, found this after the fact!

Any one have a cheap place to buy bearings?
you should be able to make one of those yourself

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Brian-nifty tool

I keep some 3/4 threaded rod for that and take the old bearings run them against the old belt sander to reduce the OD a bit so I don't drive them back into the hub.

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I keep some 3/4 threaded rod for that and take the old bearings run them against the old belt sander to reduce the OD a bit so I don't drive them back into the hub.

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Hey brian, forgot to ask, how'd the wheels come out?
got em yesterday, they look great thanks. Nice and gooooold. This damn bearing thing is chappin my ass though.

I'll ship yours out soon, probably tomorrow.

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Happy Thanksgiving BTW fellas.

I dont have a belt sander....

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grinding wheel will work also

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IMHO, grinding is not the answer, tolerences are set for a reason.

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IMHO, grinding is not the answer, tolerences are set for a reason.
Oh Im not grinding the new bearings or the wheel but,

he was talking about making a press. then grinding the old bearing a little to reduce outter diameter then using the old bearing with the "press" to drive the new bearing into the hub without seating the old bearing in the wheel, Kinda nifty.

Suppose a few flat washers slightly smaller than the bearing would do it as well?

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Also in our wheels, its just the bearing and the dust seal, right?

Ive been reading and some wheels have a retainer type clip thingy to hold the bearing in place and I dont recall one in these wheels and cant find a exploded view of the cbr wheel assembly

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Brian you are correct, grinding a new bearing to fit would be ......well down right stupid

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Bearing in freezer, heat the wheel with a hair dryer or heat gun. Place the new bearing, then place the old bearing on top of it. Use whatever method you prefer best to drive the old bearing, which pushes the new bearing in place. Drive it very slowly at first. The main thing is to get the new bearing off to a square start. Once so, you can drive it to the point it is flush with the wheel and then remove the old bearing. Socket/hammer or whatever method to finish the job contacted directly onto the new bearing.

Yes, the dust seal goes in after the new bearing is driven home.

Make sure the internal spacer is in place before you drive the second new bearing in. That has pissed off more than one person.
I replaced my rear bearings a while back. I used the heating the hub/ bearing in the freezer method too, with no issue. I did put a little bit of grease to help it slide in a little easier.

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Brian you are correct, grinding a new bearing to fit would be ......well down right stupid
My bad, I misunderstood, grinding the old one to set the new one sounds good in my book...

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according to my wife she could write a book about the things I've misunderstood....no problem.

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I replaced my rear bearings a while back. I used the heating the hub/ bearing in the freezer method too, with no issue. I did put a little bit of grease to help it slide in a little easier.
Yours just slid in or did you have to pummle it with a hammer?

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I did rear wheel bearings back in September. Overnight in the freezer with no heat on the wheel. It was a tough getting the proper alignment to get them started, but we managed. I first noticed the problem when I spun the wheel and saw the slop at the axle on the disc side. The hub bearing on the drive side did not have to replaced.


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Yours just slid in or did you have to pummle it with a hammer?
Really just tapping, didn't really have to beat the crap out of it.

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I used a combo of homemade press pressure and tapping with a socket and hammer, thanks for the help.

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