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VFR handles on a 919?

So my lady's biggest complaint when riding distances 2-up is her arms getting sore from having to hold on in what she describes as 'awkward' positions.

Arms around me cause lots of head banging...
She can get a hold of the rack for the trunk-box, but that's a bit of a reach down and back...
We ordered some of the grips that go around my waist, and we'll have to see how we like those...

But when leaving the shop we got the handles ordered at (also purchasing a Strider for our nephew in Honda red with logos ) we came across a VFR800. Hopped on and the handles seemed to be in a more 'ergonomic' position for her.

I was thinking of trying to fit a set of handles similar to those to where the '9er tail handle mounts or making a set of grips from some strap and my old grips and mounting them to the luggage rack frame.

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Oh boy! you are really on to something here. my wife shares the same thoughts. I say go for it full force!

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would need to some how mount it to the frame though as the rear handle is...not just the tail plastic, worth a try.

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If the spacing on the holes is similar, you could reverse the mounting so the handles follow the shape of the bike and have them coming forward instead of going rearward.

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make sure to take pictures!!! GREAT idea. I love those bars

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As far as my google search is going... the key is going to be NOT spending $80-90 ea on the handles... none FS at the moment on VFRW or VFRD forums... I'll need to post WTB and see what comes up.

I'm going to run by the bike salvage yards in D-Town this week if I can find a speck of time.

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Check ebay. I saw a set for a dollar. Scratched. And 5 days out but could be cheap

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watching with interest, i have had the same idea, as i have a pair of 96 handles downstairs. But it is always way down the list of priorities. A positive result could spur me on.

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grips that go around your waist..... that are removable that you can put on her later right???

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I had both bikes in the garage a couple of days ago and could have tested this out. Just missed!

I can take off a VFR handle and take pics and measurements tonight if it would be helpful.

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Ive seen different versions of this idea. Looks odd, but i can tell theyd work well. There are simpler aluminum designs that bolt to the tank gas-lid which are a good solution.

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Ive seen different versions of this idea. Looks odd, but i can tell theyd work well. There are simpler aluminum designs that bolt to the tank gas-lid which are a good solution.

TankGrip Tank Mounted Sportbike Handles

https://www.polo-motorrad.de/en/beif...-gsx-r-sv.html
I think that this would cause more arm fatigue than she's already experiencing, and lots of head-banging... I think this is a solution better suited for a sportier bike.

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Check ebay. I saw a set for a dollar. Scratched. And 5 days out but could be cheap
I'm going to watch those...

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I had both bikes in the garage a couple of days ago and could have tested this out. Just missed!

I can take off a VFR handle and take pics and measurements tonight if it would be helpful.
Please do! I'd be interested to see if the sets of holes are similar to the '9er grab bar. Mainly in how far apart they are.

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grips that go around your waist..... that are removable that you can put on her later right???
I have fuzzy ones for that... nicer on her skin and all.

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So I'm confused. She is uncomfortable because she is hanging on too tight or has nothing to hang onto without banging helmets?

So you want to take bars off a VFR and put them on your 9er...?

I'm lost without pictures. Might need pictures of the GF too... for dimensions....



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So I'm confused. She is uncomfortable because she is hanging on too tight or has nothing to hang onto without banging helmets?

So you want to take bars off a VFR and put them on your 9er...?
if you've ever sat on the back of a VFR800... the handles are right down at your sides, instead of in front or behind you. For the way she's built she can hold on there without having to reach backwards to the stock handle or spend the whole ride arms around me (better in the twisties than in the city).

Since the VFR mounting is farther forward and the handles curve in, my theory is that the handles could me mounted on opposite sides since the '9er mounts farther back and the handles would match the contour of the bike.

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Eye to eye is 6cm. Here's some pictures. Let me know if you need anything else.










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Thanks Ottowa for the time and pics!

Well I'll measure them up to the '9er tomorrow... I think they'll work if the dimensions are close. I'll need some longer bolts and spacing sleeves from the hardware store (easy to find I hope).

3 motorcycle salvage yards didn't have them, the other 3 I want to call are close Sun/Mon... hopefully I'll have some luck tomorrow.

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I picked up a set of handles today from a JY locally that had a totalled VFR in stock. $37 incl tax isn't bad in my mind for this experiment.

Well, 2 main problems I see at this moment are
a) holes are most certainly wider
b) small fitment issues with my saddle bags. First thing I'm looking to find at my local hardware store are much longer bolts, and spacers/sleeves for the bolts because I'm thinking the rear hole I'll line up then decide how to do the front.

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make sure to take plenty of pictures!!!!

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Could make a thin adapter piece that would let you fit them.

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Got them done. I'll give more details when I get more time, and when the paint dries on them.
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What to say about the handles and bracket...

Starting point had the Givi rack on the rear already, so the bolt heads were already in a tad different spot. To get to the same starting place you'd need spacers to get the bolt heads out of the holes that the stock grab handles. My bracket on the back 2 holes snugs up to the rack bracket.

The rear hole is the bracket only, the middle hole has a spacer between the bracket and the handle to keep it 'level'. That required a pretty long replacement bolt (and a washer lol). The front hole on the handle was the stock VFR bolt with a locknut and a washer.

The brackets I made out of a strip of aluminum I got at my hardware store. Liked that it was easy to cut/drill and wouldn't rust. Also counting on the common middle hole to add rigidity to the entire assembly. I decided to do it that way so the handles would mount farther forward to be more of a straight down grip location.

The handles were reversed (right side of the VFR on the left of the '9er and with the handle forward instead of rear duh) to compensate for the more rearward location of the grab handle bolts.

There's a tad of wobble in the handles, but they're mainly for her to hold on to when we're cruising straight, or in the city... The best way I could think of making them rock solid would be to add an angled "L" shaped section or a spine... or use a thicker piece of steel?

I'll take more step by step pics tomorrow when the paint is dry and I reassemble/install them (with threadlocker). If I find the wobble to be a bit much I'll see about maybe getting some cut out of 'better' material.

Making your own set? I used a strip of 1" wide aluminum as aforementioned. Measured distance between grab handle holes, then between handle holes. Used the stock measurement for distance between 1 and 2, them the measure for the handle between 2 and 3. Drilled the holes in the aluminum as close to the edge as I felt comfortable knowing I'd need to trim out a bit to snug up to the stock grab handle. I used my bench grinder to smooth out the corners as well as carve out a tad between the 1 and 2 holes. Then a quick coat of Rust-Oleum flat black.

That's all I think there was to it.

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Eye to eye is 6cm. Here's some pictures. Let me know if you need anything else.
I must have gotten the handles off a different year VFR. It was pretty mangled at the yard, and no bodywork so I have no idea which it was. The handles are a tad different shape, have the cargo hook, and the mounting holes are different 'depths'. I'll get pics when I reassemble... however I believe the 6mm measurement was the same. (I don't have a metric measuring tape?!)

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Don't feel bad, either do I and I live in Canada and use a tape measure daily. Useless system. (for the most part)

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Final install.
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There's a tad of wobble in the handles, but they're mainly for her to hold on to when we're cruising straight, or in the city... The best way I could think of making them rock solid would be to add an angled "L" shaped section or a spine... or use a thicker piece of steel?
Nicely done. And nice pics/write up.

My only thought on the stability would be to move the long bolt to the back mounting hole. It would shift the handles back an inch and and a half or so, but the shorter length of aluminum and the handles being centered over the rest of the hardware might make it a bit more rigid.

Other than that, with the bags on it looks stock. Very clean!

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the main issue with making the rear hole the common hole was being able to tighten down all the hardware. The bolts are farther apart on the handle so the middle hole is not accessible and I don't believe the forward hardware would clear the middle bolt... If that makes sense. If you don't have the rack like I do it might be possible to make the rear mount for the handle in between the 2 bolts to the bike, but I ultimately wanted more forward positioning.

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Makes sense. Nicely done.

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Is anyone interested in the specs on the brackets? I was contemplating sending the design to a buddy with a TorchMate and having a stiffer set cut.

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I'd be interested, nice DIY!!

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