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For some this is old hat so it may appeal to the new owner or purchaser of a Honda 919. A few months back I decided to move to a totally different bike from my other ones. Previously re-cut my teeth on Maxiscooters (3 Burgman's and a Reflex) and later a few Goldwings. So for this 64 year old to move to a sport bike was a little radical but yet seemed so natural as my 919 fits me like a glove.

When I first bought it and came to this site it seemed like most were modding their handlebars and going higher. At 5'7" the stock bars work for me and I don't mind the slight lean forward and I practice good riding posture. At first I was a little intimidated with the torque and power it had as it is the strongest pulling bike I've ever owned. My GW engine was nearly twice as big with the same horsepower at twice the weight. After some time in the saddle and getting comfortable with the 919, I'm more confident and can use more of the bike and am not afraid of using some throttle now.

The stock mirrors are terrible especially when carrying gear and the thermarest blocks the views. I'm going to change or install extensions. The stock seat is not so great on long rides as it tends to push me into the tank crushing all parts below. I used an Airhawk seat pad recently on a 1500 mile ride and that helped allot.

Fuel mileage is really great at 42 at 80mph. My Burgman 650 gets 45 and my Wings got in the low 30's so I'm tickled. My first oil change was so easy. Just wondering about how do keep the draining oil off the headers? No big deal though to wipe with a rag.

During my last long ride I encountered high winds blowing at 35 gusting to 50+. I had it head on, from the side and from the rear. I was super impressed with the bike's ability to handle the wind even with riding with one hand in the super blasts. My GW friends were not faring as well as I was.

I love how quiet the bike is.....a real sleeper. The growl of the exhaust is so seductive. At 80-90 mph the 919 is smooth and quiet. I think it makes a pretty good sports tourer once you outfit it with a windshield and some touring bags/boxes. I did the sprocket mod/conversion that others had and it seemed to take out some of the vibration.

So my next upgrades to my 919 are mirror upgrades and later a seat upgrade. The stock seat is ok around town though and without hauling camping gear I can get by with the stock mirror for now as it looks like I'm replacing the rear tire first.

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For some this is old hat so it may appeal to the new owner or purchaser of a Honda 919. A few months back I decided to move to a totally different bike from my other ones. Previously re-cut my teeth on Maxiscooters (3 Burgman's and a Reflex) and later a few Goldwings. So for this 64 year old to move to a sport bike was a little radical but yet seemed so natural as my 919 fits me like a glove.

When I first bought it and came to this site it seemed like most were modding their handlebars and going higher. At 5'7" the stock bars work for me and I don't mind the slight lean forward and I practice good riding posture. At first I was a little intimidated with the torque and power it had as it is the strongest pulling bike I've ever owned. My GW engine was nearly twice as big with the same horsepower at twice the weight. After some time in the saddle and getting comfortable with the 919, I'm more confident and can use more of the bike and am not afraid of using some throttle now.

The stock mirrors are terrible especially when carrying gear and the thermarest blocks the views. I'm going to change or install extensions. The stock seat is not so great on long rides as it tends to push me into the tank crushing all parts below. I used an Airhawk seat pad recently on a 1500 mile ride and that helped allot.

Fuel mileage is really great at 42 at 80mph. My Burgman 650 gets 45 and my Wings got in the low 30's so I'm tickled. My first oil change was so easy. Just wondering about how do keep the draining oil off the headers? No big deal though to wipe with a rag.

During my last long ride I encountered high winds blowing at 35 gusting to 50+. I had it head on, from the side and from the rear. I was super impressed with the bike's ability to handle the wind even with riding with one hand in the super blasts. My GW friends were not faring as well as I was.

I love how quiet the bike is.....a real sleeper. The growl of the exhaust is so seductive. At 80-90 mph the 919 is smooth and quiet. I think it makes a pretty good sports tourer once you outfit it with a windshield and some touring bags/boxes. I did the sprocket mod/conversion that others had and it seemed to take out some of the vibration.

So my next upgrades to my 919 are mirror upgrades and later a seat upgrade. The stock seat is ok around town though and without hauling camping gear I can get by with the stock mirror for now as it looks like I'm replacing the rear tire first.
to keep the oil off of your headers just put a piece of tin foil under the oil filter and angle it out the side into your pan, then everything that drips out just flows down the tin foil and out the side, no clean up needed!

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+1 Dan! I think the 919 is the most understated motorcycle ever.
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Great write-up! Another way to keep oil off the headers is to use a "tight spot funnel" available at Wal-mart for a few bucks. Its kind of a rubbery material and you can just wedge it between the headers under the oil filter.

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Thanks for the oil change tip guys.

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Great write-up! Another way to keep oil off the headers is to use a "tight spot funnel" available at Wal-mart for a few bucks. Its kind of a rubbery material and you can just wedge it between the headers under the oil filter.

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I'm a little taken back, seeing the Walmart oil filter on there.

As we know, there are options for the 919:

Oil Filter Dimensions

20 x 1.5mm threads
14 psi bypass valve
Anti-drainback valve
2.3" O.D. gasket
2.5" to 3.5" long

Motorcycle Filters
OEM - Kawasaki 16097-0004
AC Delco PF2135
AMSOil SMF103
Carquest 85358
AC Delco PF2135
FRAM PH6017A
HiFlo HF303 (HF303C for chrome version)
Honda 15410-MCJ-000
K&N KN-204 (Made by HiFlo, 75mm long, Metric nut on end for easy removal)
K&N KN-303 (Made by HiFlo, 85mm long, Metric nut on end for easy removal, KN-303C for chrome version)
NAPA Gold 1358
Purolator ML16817 (Imported from China, not made by Purolator)
STP SMO 17
WIX 51358

Automobile Filters (~2.5" long)
AC Delco PF1237
Baldwin B1400
Bosch 3300
Firestone TF2876
Hastings LF113
K&N PS-1008
K&N HP-1008 (same as Mobil1 with nut welded on)
K&N SS-1008 ($200+, reusable stainless steel mesh filter)
Mobil 1 M1-108
NAPA Gold 1365
Purolator L14612
Purolator Pure One PL14612
STP S-02876
WalMart SuperTech ST6607
WIX 51365

Automobile Filters (~3.25" long)
AC Delco PF-2057
Auto Pro 2356
Autopride CF240AP
Baldwin B1402
Bosch 3323
Carquest 85356
Carquest Red B4620
Casite CF240
Castrol 7317
Champion Labs Ph2867
Defense Filters Dl7317
Deutsch D-370
Federated Filters LF240F
Fram Double Guard DG7317
Fram PH7317
Fram Tough Guard TG7317
Fram Xtra Guard XG7317
Group 7 V4610
Group 7 V4620
Hastings LF240
K&N PS-1010
K&N HP-1010 (same as Mobil1 with nut welded on)
K&N SS-1010 ($200+, reusable stainless steel mesh filter)
Mighty M4612
Millard ML-3593
Mobil 1 M1-110
Motorcraft Long Life FL-821
Napa FIL1356
Napa Gold 1356
Parts Plus PH2867
Pennzoil PZ-109
Penske 7317
Powerflo SL14610
Powerflo SL14620
Pro Gauge PGO-4620
Pro Tec 164
Promotive PH4610
Pronto PO3593A
Purolator L14610
Purolator Pure One PL14610
Service Champ OF-4622
Shell SH48
Shell SH529
Stp S-02867
Valvoline VO50
WalMart SuperTech ST7317
Warner PH2867
Wix 51356[/QUOTE]

I just hope to God that is the USA made variant, and not the job stealing anti-American Made-In-Mexico version.

No matter anyway, as WalMart has discontinued those filters.

And that is the best of the cheap oil filters

Plus it does have the word "super" in it

Where was I going with this?

I need to "funnel" my energies somewhere else


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I asked specifically for the Mexican made version. Made the exhaust smell like tacos and creates more yobs.

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Someone mention guacamole and beer?

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As we know, there are options for the 919:
Thanks for the list Steve.

I usually buy the Honda filters from the dealer just so I can ogle the new bikes. Otherwise I'll get Wix. I watched several videos posted by guys who probably lived in their mother's basement that cut into several brands of oil filters. The ones with the most filter material and the best overall construction were all made by Wix which includes Mobil1 and NAPA Gold.
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I asked specifically for the Mexican made version. Made the exhaust smell like tacos and creates more yobs.
And some people still complain about the smell of the exhaust -

as well as the lack of yobs.



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I asked specifically for the Mexican made version. Made the exhaust smell like tacos and creates more yobs.
Where can I get a few of those?

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So for this 64 year old to move to a sport bike was a little radical but yet seemed so natural as my 919 fits me like a glove.
Dan,

I think you might be showing your age a little with the above statement. If any CBR riders read this they may take exception with the 919 being called a "sport bike".

While it has some of the character of a sport bike, it really is more of a 21st century "Universal" than a sport bike.

I think the universal concept was what Honda was shooting for with the 919...and a little "retro" CB look with the big headlight and the old style dual instruments.

The linear engine response is designed to allow the bike to be more useful than a sport bike and more tame in normal riding conditions.

"Sporty" maybe...sport bike no.

The upright riding position of the 919 is nothing like a sport bike...body forward, feet back is very different and pushes the body weight forward on the bike to completely change the handling and center of gravity.

I own CBR's, and they are nothing like the 919.

The 919 is a much more versatile machine than any sport bike...maybe not as fast, but the power gets to the road faster so it feels quicker. It's way more comfortable to ride than the sport bikes, especially for my 62 year old backside...not to mention my back.

It reminds me a little of my Norton 850 Commando...scary fast and powerful low to midrange...but lots of bikes were faster on top end.

I love the Corbin seat I put on mine. It's pretty comfortable, but it doesn't get rid of the sliding forward problem. I think it's the "rake" angle of the bike that causes that and not the seat. The Corbin gives you a little wider feel so I don't notice being forward as much as I used to.

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Dan,

I think you might be showing your age a little with the above statement. If any CBR riders read this they may take exception with the 919 being called a "sport bike".

While it has some of the character of a sport bike, it really is more of a 21st century "Universal" than a sport bike.

I think the universal concept was what Honda was shooting for with the 919...and a little "retro" CB look with the big headlight and the old style dual instruments.

The linear engine response is designed to allow the bike to be more useful than a sport bike and more tame in normal riding conditions.

"Sporty" maybe...sport bike no.

The upright riding position of the 919 is nothing like a sport bike...body forward, feet back is very different and pushes the body weight forward on the bike to completely change the handling and center of gravity.

I own CBR's, and they are nothing like the 919.

The 919 is a much more versatile machine than any sport bike...maybe not as fast, but the power gets to the road faster so it feels quicker. It's way more comfortable to ride than the sport bikes, especially for my 62 year old backside...not to mention my back.

It reminds me a little of my Norton 850 Commando...scary fast and powerful low to midrange...but lots of bikes were faster on top end.

I love the Corbin seat I put on mine. It's pretty comfortable, but it doesn't get rid of the sliding forward problem. I think it's the "rake" angle of the bike that causes that and not the seat. The Corbin gives you a little wider feel so I don't notice being forward as much as I used to.

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Actually my 919 is faster than both my brothers cbr600 and my dad's ninja 600.

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Actually my 919 is faster than both my brothers cbr600 and my dad's ninja 600.
It should be faster than both of those bikes...if you are actually running to top end They are 600cc and yours is 900.

But up against a 900rr or liter sport bikes at top end they will be faster. Low to midrange the 919 holds its own against most any of them and could be faster.

I should have been clearer in the speed...I was referring to "like" size sport bikes. Sorry. In my CBR reference I was talking about body position...I guess it was confusing.

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I'm pretty sure the top end on a CBR600 is still a bit higher than the 919. Top end (true speed) on a 919 is right about 130-140mph.

CBR600 should hit about 155.

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I'm pretty sure the top end on a CBR600 is still a bit higher than the 919. Top end (true speed) on a 919 is right about 130-140mph.

CBR600 should hit about 155.
I always forget that you should never talk speed on the internet

It really wasn't the point of my post. It was whether the reference to the 919 being a "Sport Bike" is correct.

Interesting that when I went out to find some speed specifications almost all of the magazines list the 919 as a "Standard" motorcycle...which follows my original point.

The following supports some of what each of us has said. Some of the quarter times the 919 is faster...top end no even against a 600cc. You can also search the web and find different information to support however you want to look at it.

Motorcycle HP (@ rpm)Torque (lb. - ft. @ rpm) Qtr-mile* (sec. @ mph) Top Speed

919 ('02) 99.9 @ 9000 63.8 @ 7750 11.18 @ 120.7 (Motorcyclist Magazine) 143
919 ('02) 99.9 @ 9000 63.8 @ 7750 10.92 @ 123 (Cycle World) 143
CBR600F3 ('97) 93.5 @ 11,750 44.5 @ 10,000 11.30 @ 120.8 153
CBR600F4 ('99) 98.4 @ 12,500 45.8 @ 10,500 10.86 @ 124.9 156
CBR600F4 ('00) 94.8 @ 12,500 44.8 @ 10,000 11.61 @ 115.9 156
CBR600F4i ('01) 95.5 @ 12,500 42.6 @ 10,250 10.71 @ 126.7 155
CBR600RR ('03) 105.4 @ 13,500 43.7 @ 11,250 10.94 @ 127.1 164
CBR900RR ('98) 111.4 @ 10,000 63.7 @ 8000 10.65 @ 130.2 170
CBR929RR ('00) 122.7 @ 11,000 63.9 @ 9250 10.31 @ 134.5 176
CBR954RR ('02) 132.1 @ 11,250 68.4 @ 8750 10.20 @ 139.0 174
CBR1000RR ('04) 148.6 @ 10,750 76.4 @ 8500 10.30 @ 140.0 177
CBR1000RR ('06) 158.8 @ 11,500 79.6 @ 8750 9.898 @ 146.47 177

Sorry can't get the info to format right.

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Thanks Dennis for the correction regarding the 919 not being a sport bike but a standard motorcycle.

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I always considered the 919 to be a early 1980's CB900F on steroids.

It would of been the best of the best back then, handling, power, the entire package.

That's why it is the only motorcycle I ever bought new. It took me back to another time, and in that context, it's numero uno.

And being true to the UJM roots, the 919 can be anything you want it to be.

Sportbike? Sure!

Touring bike? Sure!

Commuter? Sure!

It is whatever you want it to be, and yes, I call it a sport bike - many others are "race replicas's" and basically are race bikes with lights.

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I completely agree with Steve on this.

I love old cars & bikes, pretty much anything vintage always catches my eye. Thats what originally drew me to the CB919 when I saw one on the showroom floor back in '02. Although back then I was a broke ass kid doing the landscaping install at a Honda dealer in Vancouver BC.

I had always planned on buying and building a vintage CB750 or CB900 with updated suspension & my own personal touches ....... and then the 919 showed up and gave me a platform to do just that, but with a wonderfully historic engine platform and modern EFI and a few other perks.

The CB919 is a throw back to the UJM bikes of old .... it covers more "classifactions" then most machines build in the modern era and can be build/styled by the owner to acheive lots of different more specific tasks.

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Thanks Dennis for the correction regarding the 919 not being a sport bike but a standard motorcycle.
Dan,

Sorry if my post came across wrong. I was trying to point out the difference between a "true" sport bike and the 919. Since I own some sport bikes and the 919, there is a difference and when I was looking for an upright more Universal or Standard type motorcycle, I found the 919. It is a little different, trying to cater to the naked sport bike crowd, as well as being a new style CB UJM, for those of us that cut our teeth on mostly standard motorcycles it looks like a sport bike...so I understand why you said that. Using a sport bike engine and mono rear shock only confuses it further.

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Dan,

Sorry if my post came across wrong. I was trying to point out the difference between a "true" sport bike and the 919. Since I own some sport bikes and the 919, there is a difference and when I was looking for an upright more Universal or Standard type motorcycle, I found the 919. It is a little different, trying to cater to the naked sport bike crowd, as well as being a new style CB UJM, for those of us that cut our teeth on mostly standard motorcycles it looks like a sport bike...so I understand why you said that. Using a sport bike engine and mono rear shock only confuses it further.

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I'd like to argue the fact the 919 is a sport bike, it's not a "race replica".

But, I won't.



"Race Replica's" are not very good at much of anything, other than going around a race track. They only fit a certain size person, they are horrible "multi-taskers".

The 919 might be the best "sport bike" ever built, but it came out 20 years late to the party.....

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I'd like to argue the fact the 919 is a sport bike, it's not a "race replica".

But, I won't.



"Race Replica's" are not very good at much of anything, other than going around a race track. They only fit a certain size person, they are horrible "multi-taskers".

The 919 might be the best "sport bike" ever built, but it came out 20 years late to the party.....
Not all sport bikes are race replicas. It seems that many believe the 919 "is" a sport bike...funny how it is listed as a "Standard" on most lists of motorcycle types. The riding position generally defines the "type". The CB designation also implies the 919 is not a CBR Sport Bike...but some might argue it falls into the Naked Street Fighter category.

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Found this directly from Honda:

"The Honda CBR models are a series of Honda sport bikes several of which (600RR, 900RR, 929RR, 954RR and 1000RR) are marketed as race replicas, having the suffix RR after the engine size designation. With the exception of the single cylinder CBR250, all CBR motorbikes have inline engines (as compared to the V-twins in the VT, VTR and VF/VFR series). Less sporting models with inline engines make up the CB Series."

The 919 has the designation CB900F so it is part of the CB Series or less sporting models as Honda puts it.

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