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post #1 of 32 Old 06-18-2008, 07:51 PM Thread Starter
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So How Do You Get The Filter Off

I recently changed the oil on my 919 for the first time (500 miles) and had a real struggle getting the oil filter off. My regular filter wrenches are to large and I wound up using a strap wrench, but I had to put tape around the filter to keep it from slipping. There has to be a better way. Both my cars have the same size filter(yeah, they are both Hondas) so this is for them too.
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3/8ths drive and one of the plastic sockets. No dings, it'll spin if you over-torque, and if it gets a bit slippery you fold up a piece of sandpaper folded in two inside the socket to ramp up the friction.

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oil filter

when you do your next oil change install a K&N oil filter it has a hex bolt on the front for easy removal... all you need is a socket set

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Stab it with a screwdriver!

Keep it to the outside so you don't mess up the threads inside.

Not the cleanest option but it works in a pinch when you can't find the right tool. Since I usually put aluminum foil over the pipes during an oil change anyway, the messy part doesn't matter too much.

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Big channel lock pliers work quite well.

+1 on the alumunim foil.

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Big channel lock pliers work quite well.

+1 on the alumunim foil.
Channel Locks work great for me as well.

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Channel Locks work great for me as well.
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i had to use a screwdriver to get the filter off the first time i changed the oil on my 9er - i don't know what tool they use at the dealer, but they get them on tight!

but since that first change, i just hand tighten when installing, and remove by hand.

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Buy the cap style filter wrench.
You then can put the regular(band) style filter wrench over the cap & remove the filter. The cap will build up the diameter to fit a small band wrench.
There is not enough room to get a ratchet on the end because of the headers.

There is also this from Motion Pro(08-0016)

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i had to use a screwdriver to get the filter off the first time i changed the oil on my 9er - i don't know what tool they use at the dealer, but they get them on tight!

but since that first change, i just hand tighten when installing, and remove by hand.

...j919
The filter torque is 20 ft lbs.
I'm sure the factory or dealer made it at least that tight.

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Channel locks and foil work great. Make sure the motor is all the way up to operating temp and let it drain for 15 or 20 minutes. Oh, and when your done don't forget the test ride.

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Channel locks.

Anyone ever notice, after letting the oil drain with the bike on the sidestand you can stand the bike upright for a little while and quite a bit more oil will come out? Happens on every Honda streetbike I've ever had.

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Of couse you can also tie the filter to a tree and drive off. Or was that supposed to be tie it to a door with a piece of string and slam it? I get confused.

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Instead of aluminum foil on the pipes, I made a side draining funnel thing by cutting the side out of an oil bottle. Place the cut out side up under the filter, oil runs out the mouth of the bottle, past the pipes and into the pan. Works rather well if you ask me.

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I use the cap wrench shown in mikey's photo. ...but since I run a CBR900RR header, I "can" use a 3/8" drive to remove it. That and a little aluminum foil and things are almost as clean as surgery! I have used a strap wrench but found you have to get the strap up as close as you can to the threads to keep from deforming the filter.

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Of couse you can also tie the filter to a tree and drive off. Or was that supposed to be tie it to a door with a piece of string and slam it? I get confused.

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Thanks for all the replies. K&N sounds like a winner to me, although the tie it to a tree thing has some promise, seems like. Channel Locks would give me a reason to buy another tool, which I need anyway.
Thanks again.

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Thanks for all the replies. K&N sounds like a winner to me, although the tie it to a tree thing has some promise, seems like. Channel Locks would give me a reason to buy another tool, which I need anyway.
Thanks again.
How about you clamp some new Channel Locks around a K&N filter and tie the whole thing to a tree?

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How about simply installing the new one correctly? Apply oil to the sealing ring, hand tighten until the filter makes contact, then hand tighten another 1/2 to 3/4 of a turn. Done...

You should be able loosen it by hand when it's time to be replaced.

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How about simply installing the new one correctly? Apply oil to the sealing ring, hand tighten until the filter makes contact, then hand tighten another 1/2 to 3/4 of a turn. Done...

You should be able loosen it by hand when it's time to be replaced.
I hand tighten but it still won't come off without a wrench. ...and no comments about arm strength! Let's see your forearms Popeye!

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How about simply installing the new one correctly? Apply oil to the sealing ring, hand tighten until the filter makes contact, then hand tighten another 1/2 to 3/4 of a turn. Done...

You should be able loosen it by hand when it's time to be replaced.
+1 - No need for it to be overly tight - Just a bit past snug !

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Channel locks.

Anyone ever notice, after letting the oil drain with the bike on the sidestand you can stand the bike upright for a little while and quite a bit more oil will come out? Happens on every Honda streetbike I've ever had.
i always put my RR on the rear stand with the front wheel down, drains even more!

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A bit unrelated, but does anyone know of an oil filter cover or something similar they make that would fit the 919? The first time I ever changed my oil when I got the bike, I forgot just how visible the filter is and bought a bright orange fram filter. I realized then it might be nice to have a shiny cover over it rather than just letting it hang out. I've even heard of certain heatsink covers for cars that allow more cooling of the filter, well theoretically anyway.

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+1 - No need for it to be overly tight - Just a bit past snug !
+2 - I think putting a little oil on the rubber gasket helps it come back off easier, but hand-tight has always worked very well. I do the same with the car, no issues.

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Always lube the "O" ring/seal before install.
it will allow it to torque down and seal properly without tearing or damaging the seal.
Helps with removal too.
I use this Glad container to catch the oil.
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A bit unrelated, but does anyone know of an oil filter cover or something similar they make that would fit the 919? The first time I ever changed my oil when I got the bike, I forgot just how visible the filter is and bought a bright orange fram filter. I realized then it might be nice to have a shiny cover over it rather than just letting it hang out. I've even heard of certain heatsink covers for cars that allow more cooling of the filter, well theoretically anyway.
I can't speak to your questions but I do recommend you research the FRAM filter you've got on your bike. I know there is alot of noise and rubbish banter on the internet about various products; but fram oil filters are legendary for poor quality. Don't take my word for it because I don't know and can't prove a thing... there is much info on this topic from reliable(?) sources should you care to look for it.

Good luck

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Very true. In fact up here in Canada a lot of places have stoppped carrying Fram altogether and are now selling Wix. If you cut the two filters open you see a big difference.

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There are chrome filters available, not sure where I saw those but I know I say a fitment for the 919. I think your best looking option is a black filter that says "Honda" on it.

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I do oil the o-ring/seal on all my filters, and tighten them by hand, not that tight. Seems as I get older my hands and arms are not working as well as they once did. Thanks for the information again.

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K&N makes a nice chrome filter with the nut on the top for easy removal. use 'em on the king but haven't used 'em on the 9er yet but it's in the plan.

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post #32 of 32 Old 06-22-2008, 03:01 PM
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Anybody else use a big pipe wrench to get the filter off ? I install by hand of course. lol

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