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post #1 of 18 Old 09-09-2006, 08:04 PM Thread Starter
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Sealing washer?

Does the 06' 919 have a sealing washer on the oilpan drain plug? The reason I asked is because when I changed my oil(at 400 miles) the drain plug had no sealing washer that I can remember, but I recently got the service manual and it stated to make sure the sealing washer was in good shape or you had to replace it.

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Oh and by the way, I now have 850 miles and the bike is not leaking any oil.

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Yes, there is a sealing washer.

I don't use one though, I have went through several oil changes and 14,000 miles without one and have never had a drop of oil anywhere.

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Thos darn little crush washers always seem to end up in the bottom of the oil pan. They're cheap enough though so I have some replacements on hand. I got kinda lucky - many of the parts from the ST13 (like oil fiters) are the same for the 9'er.

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Looks like what we have here are 2 options:

a) Leave the crush washer out and run the risk of a oil leak or maybe over tighten the drain plug and crack the oil pan threads
b) Use the recommended crush washer and have peace of mind.

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Mine seemed to end up flattened so tight against the bolt that, unless looking very closely, you cannot tell they are two different parts. And yes, it was torqued, not elbow click checked. You can tell they are two different metals, but the washer doesn't want to separate from the bolt. I thought I had lost mine until noticing this.

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Mine seemed to end up flattened so tight against the bolt that, unless looking very closely, you cannot tell they are two different parts. And yes, it was torqued, not elbow click checked. You can tell they are two different metals, but the washer doesn't want to separate from the bolt. I thought I had lost mine until noticing this.
Mine might very well be the same way. I have never inspected the drain plug too closely, I always thought my washer fell into the pan or was already gone from my bike when I got it. So I might still have one, not sure.

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I would use a crush ring. Just for not over tighting and doing damage to the oil pan. They are cheap.

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Am I the only one that finds it alarming that folk are saying the crush washer ends up in the bottom of the oil pan????

I think perhaps it might fall down into the belly pan (if one is fitted) but not up into the sump.

Sorry Ken, couldn't resist!

Anyway I'll always use a new washer, though usually it's not a new crush washer but more often than not a new fibre washer a tthe very least.
These seal well and don't require a gorilla grip on the socket wrench to stop the drips!

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Am I the only one that finds it alarming that folk are saying the crush washer ends up in the bottom of the oil pan????
By oil pan, we mean the pan we are draining the old oil into.

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By oil pan, we mean the pan we are draining the old oil into.
Ah.. Geez I can be stoopid sometimes!
In my defence I hadn't had my "morning" coffee yet..
Not much of a defence I know but....

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Ah.. Geez I can be stoopid sometimes!
In my defence I hadn't had my "morning" coffee yet..
Not much of a defence I know but....
Don't worry, we should have called it a drain pan anyway.



So I changed my oil today and looked at my drain plug and there is no washer or anything hopefully it'll be alright.

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Don't worry, we should have called it a drain pan anyway.
There is that too I suppose!

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So I changed my oil today and looked at my drain plug and there is no washer or anything hopefully it'll be alright.
Just for sh.ts and giggles, have you checked to see if the old washer is still stuck to the bottom of the motor?

If it were me, I'd be making sure it's not, and then getting a fibre washer for the "plug".
Ideally a new crush washer, but I've always found fibres to do the job well enough. Plus they're generally easier to find and cheap etc.
I'd expect to see a bit of dripping otherwise. just don't go nuts overtightening the plug to to compensate for the lack of washer if you do get any drips.


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So I changed my oil today and looked at my drain plug and there is no washer or anything hopefully it'll be alright.
Am I the only one that notices the deformed 12 mm drain plug washer?

Item #15 in the photo is a soft aluminum 12 mm sealing washer that Honda has been using forever.


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whats the real name? My dealer that I get them from call them crush rings.

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Am I the only one that notices the deformed 12 mm drain plug washer?

Item #15 in the photo is a soft aluminum 12 mm sealing washer that Honda has been using forever.
No, that's was what my earlier post was about. That is the washer. It is different from the plug. You can also erase all doubt by using a magnet. The plug is metallic, the washer is not.

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Just for sh.ts and giggles, have you checked to see if the old washer is still stuck to the bottom of the motor?
Yes I did look at the bottom of the motor and felt around and there was nothing.

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No, that's was what my earlier post was about. That is the washer. It is different from the plug. You can also erase all doubt by using a magnet. The plug is metallic, the washer is not.
Well I guess I do have one afterall. Thanks I'll sleep easy now:001_smile:.

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Am I the only one that notices the deformed 12 mm drain plug washer?
errmm.. looks that way! with respects to Hondjim for mentioning it in the first place.

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whats the real name? My dealer that I get them from call them crush rings
Not sure there is a real name other than sealing washer, but any self respecting workshop mech or parts monkey should know what crush washer or crush ring means anyway. But it's a fair question for non mechanics.

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Well I guess I do have one afterall. Thanks I'll sleep easy now.
Only after you've removed that useless squashed bit of metal and replaced it with a new one.

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