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Unhappy Scary clanking noise.. help

I have a 2003 Honda 919. It has 39K miles under it's belt. It has a clunking noise at idle that worries me. I am unsure when it started. I was thinking maybe loose timing chain.. when are those supposed to be changed?

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post #2 of 51 Old 08-31-2017, 09:56 AM
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How long have you owned bike? also your link does not work

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Link works fine to me. It literally sounds like a plastic beach pale full if rocks being shook around

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I've owned the bike for about 2 months. I do not remember this sound when I purchased it. Since owning I have replaced plugs, oil, filter, air intake filter and brake pads.

That is a accurate description, like some freaking rocks being shaken around. The noise is not present on a cold start up or once the engine has fully warmed up.

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A Google search came up with the cam chain tensioner as a possible fail. The honda automatic cct fails at times. Swapping it out for one you adjust yourself is the solution. About $50. Bit hard to tell from a video. The noise does sound horrible. A loose cam chain does make a awful racket and the noise can come and go with changes in temp and stuff. Clutch? Have you had a listen with a long srewdriver up to your ear. Like a stethoscope. Try and pin point it. When in doubt take it to an expert.

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No offense, but I don't think a manual cam chain tensioner is for the faint of heart. If someone can't identify the cam chain making noise, I'm not sure I would want that person trying to manually adjust cam chain tension. You don't want it too tight and you don't want it too lose... I personally would just throw another automatic tensioner on there and forget about it. If you have to change it out in another 39K miles, then so be it... better than forgetting about cam chain adjustment and grenading your motor.



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^ i disagree. I think if you want to install a manual CCT you should do it. Agreed that automatic might be easier but if you're like lots of us then getting right in the mix and learning about the bikes is half the fun of something going wrong. So if you have the time and will (and some modicum of greasy hand skills) then I'd say go for it if you want!
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...half the fun of something going wrong...
In this case, something going wrong is the cam chain skipping a tooth which most likely will lead to immediate catastrophic engine failure. I'm all for learning experiences when things go wrong. I do it ALL the time... Having to replace the motor is quite a bit more involved and expensive then replacing the final drive chain.

Maybe you guys are much more mechanically inclined than I. All I know is that I'm lazy as shit and adjusting the CCT would likely get forgotten about.
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In this case, something going wrong is the cam chain skipping a tooth which most likely will lead to immediate catastrophic engine failure. I'm all for learning experiences when things go wrong. I do it ALL the time... Having to replace the motor is quite a bit more involved and expensive then replacing the final drive chain.

Maybe you guys are much more mechanically inclined than I. All I know is that I'm lazy as shit and adjusting the CCT would likely get forgotten about.

I agree completely. You WILL forget about it and it WILL create more problems... I have done them on dirt bikes for years, but I maintenance them every 10-15 hours depending on the bike. Automatic CCT is the winner here- that is why every production street motorcycle comes with them...

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I'm all for learning experiences when things go wrong. I do it ALL the time... Having to replace the motor is quite a bit more involved and expensive then replacing the final drive chain.
This is very true - the "experience" may not be worth a new engine


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Good info, thanks guys. Little confused, Why swap to Manual? A stock replacement is $65 while the manual one you sent me was $51. That's no where near a big enough price savings to warrant self adjusting and such. I agree with the guys, I'm busy and not a mechanic.. I'm a engineer. WE ARE NOT GOOD AT WORKING ON ENGINES haa.
Is the auto adjust harder to install or something?

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Good info, thanks guys. Little confused, Why swap to Manual? A stock replacement is $65 while the manual one you sent me was $51. That's no where near a big enough price savings to warrant self adjusting and such. I agree with the guys, I'm busy and not a mechanic.. I'm a engineer. WE ARE NOT GOOD AT WORKING ON ENGINES haa.
Is the auto adjust harder to install or something?
Not harder to install. And you answered your own question "why swap to manual"... No advantage. Replace it with an OEM part and never think of it again... Done-

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But please be sure to verify that the CCT is the problem before replacing it. I have seen originals go 70k miles plus in these engines.

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But please be sure to verify that the CCT is the problem before replacing it. I have seen originals go 70k miles plus in these engines.
I Unfortunately do not have the time to do any kind of full diagnoses. I am a replace and test type of "mechanic".
I will try to use a steth to pin point the sound to the timing chain.

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Dont "quote" me, but my -over the internet, not present, hard of hearing, 16 years of motorcycle experience/mechanics, tells me it "sounds like" the CCT. Again, that is not a diagnosis- just my opinion.
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Good news is, I got the new part installed (The Cam Chain Tensioner) and it looks real pretty.
Bad News is, (And I knew this before the part arrived) That was not the issue. I had got a hold of a stethoscope and the sound is coming from the clutch basket. The sound does not change when the clutch lever is pulled or released. I guess I get to break open my clutch basket and see what is rattling around.

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Jesus! What the hell happened? Is that a connecting rod on the right? Looks like it came through the case and took out the clutch basket... This is why I hate diagnosing stuff online...
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Wow! That does look like a rod on the right, but I can't imagine anything in the clutch area causing that kinda break. It looks like something fell into the clutch area, broke the basket and the basket blew apart.

The question is, what caused all this to happen?

A leak down test would confirm a thrown rod, but IDK what difference it would make. Given the costs of internal engine parts, it's hard to justify saving that engine.

I wonder what a pulled engine from a totaled front end hit would cost. Can't you get a complete running engine for < $500? The bike should be worth saving if you can swap out the engine.

You can even make a buck selling the parts off the old engine.

Sorry for the bad news.

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Jesus! What the hell happened? Is that a connecting rod on the right? Looks like it came through the case and took out the clutch basket... This is why I hate diagnosing stuff online...
Well, if it is a rod, it's the small end, so imagine the torture and contortions necessary to get the busted small end showing up there!
Regardless, that's looks to be a badly cratered unit.
Sad to see.
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Hmmm, that sort of sounds like the description of a bad big end on a rod.
Typically those will have a real metallic hammering / whacking sound if they are badly damaged, and distinct sound in rhythm with RPMs.

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I wonder what a pulled engine from a totaled front end hit would cost.
Watch out with such engines as they have have a higher risk of having a broken front engine mounting tab.
Same as any wreck that has front engine mount located frame sliders on it.

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Only two months of ownership? I have to speculate that the previous may have known something you didn't... Mileage is no excuse- I have never seen a grande like this on a 919.

And sad to say it- there is no saving that engine.

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HOLD THE PHONE... That's not my bike.. I didnt post that pic.
I'm guessing he is just trolling. My bike runs strong, the pic is of a bike that would not run at all, I would imagine.

Also, remember how we talked about how I'm not a mechanic? It's coming from the Alternator, not the clutch basket. I got the two confused. Later traced the clutch cable..
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I know oil drains away, but it sure looks dry to me, really dry.

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The oil pump drive chain sure looks to be in proper place.
The sight glass shows oil level but who knows what the lean angle of the bike is, let alone how in plane the wheels are in relation to the horizon.
Hmmm, I still think it looks dry.

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Opened it up, everything looks clean.. Nothing it loose at all.
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Holy crap guy

THAT'S NOT A PICTURE OF MY BIKE... THAT PIC WASNT POSTED BY ME. LOL

Mods, please take that pic down.. It is far too much of a distraction.

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THAT'S NOT A PICTURE OF MY BIKE... THAT PIC WASNT POSTED BY ME. LOL

Mods, please take that pic down.. It is far too much of a distraction.
Absolutely hilarious !

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I'm busy and not a mechanic.. I'm a engineer.
WE ARE NOT GOOD AT WORKING ON ENGINES haa.
"WE" implies "all", which thankfully is known not to be the case.
The best example I can put forward is Bill Jenkins, a brilliant engineer and an ace wrench.

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That busted pic is not even a 919 engine either...
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That busted pic is not even a 919 engine either...
I didn't mean to derail the thread THIS much... But it sure was fun.... The motor is a 2016 ZX10R with just over 1100 miles.



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OMG this is too funny, people aren't even reading the posts. Why did he post that pic?

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I listened to your video again... Almost sounds like a bottom end knock. I didn't want to say anything until you ruled out the CCT. But that's a backyard mechanic's opinion on a sound bite on the interwebs.

Find a local club, make nice with a couple of race guys. They should be able to give you an idea what's going on by listening to it. If it turns out to be the bottom end, they may have advice how to move forward.



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Opened it up, everything looks clean.. Nothing it loose at all.
Your CCT is on the other side with the clutch. That is the stator side and probably will not tell you anything useful at this point. You need to verify that there is tension on the timing chain.

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^ If you paid attention to the previous posts and not the exploded engine.. I was an idiot and confused the clutch basket and Alternator basket. The sound is coming from the alternator basket.

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^ I was an idiot and confused the clutch basket and Alternator basket. The sound is coming from the alternator basket.
So pay attention yourself... =)


And we are all trying to help you fix this issue, but realize this is not an easy thing to do at an online forum with a sound clip. And everyone can make suggestions and try and help, but it is YOU that has to lead us in the right direction. Your not a mechanic at your own admittance, so do you plan on tackling this and just guessing at what it could be and taking stuff apart? Or are you planning on eventually having a professional take a look? Honest question-

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