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Satos vs 900RR/scorpion can

My next mod will be the exhaust/power commander. I am down to the Sato cans or the MarylandMike special (900rr/scorpion can). Need to start saving now to do this over the summer.

From what I've read, the nice thing about the Satos is the control. This appeals to me because I'm JoeMethodicalGuy. I'm big into control and efficiency; especially given that I'm not Mr JumpOnItGripAndRipIt dude.

But, I've also read the 900rr setup will shed as much as 20 lbs. That's a hard number to turn away from. Not to mention the overall look of the low can on the side (Note to MarylandMike: Still one of my alltime favorite threads).

I guess my question is how big a factor is the control of the Satos? I very much enjoy the sport riding aspect of the 9er, if that helps.

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I love my CF satos, but I prefer the looks of a high mount exhaust. I would rather under tail, but love mine. I personally do not like the looks of the 900rr or any other low mount. However I do like the numbers as far as weight and power.

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I'm big into control and efficiency; especially given that I'm not Mr JumpOnItGripAndRipIt dude.
me either....



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Give me a week and I'll give you my opinion of both. I had the 900rr header with D&D can. I decided to switch back to the undertail, still waiting on the Satos to get here. Baysideperformace.com has the titanium Satos for $720. But the offset is that its been over three weeks since I ordered them and they should be here Monday.

I had a buddy with some spare time, so I got help putting the Y pipe back in and have been riding it for about a week. The baffelectomized stock cans suck terribly compared to the lowside exhaust and PCIII. I'm really hoping the Satos give it that kick in the pants in needs right now.

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Thanks for the kind words. I think either option would be great. I also love the look and sound of the Satos. The main reason I did the low exhaust was the stink factor, but the Satos/PCIII will most likely help with that too.

There are a couple of people doing the 900RR Scorpion type mod in the near future, so you may get some more feedback that could help you in your decision by the time you're ready.

Good luck....decisions, decisions

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Thanks for the kind words. I think either option would be great. I also love the look and sound of the Satos. The main reason I did the low exhaust was the stink factor, but the Satos/PCIII will most likely help with that too.

There are a couple of people doing the 900RR Scorpion type mod in the near future, so you may get some more feedback that could help you in your decision by the time you're ready.

Good luck....decisions, decisions
One question: I noticed you used the centerstand mount. I actually have a center stand. I couldn't really tell from your pictures if the exhaust and centerstand can coexist. It looks like the exhaust might be in the way of the stand's travel. Do you know, or anybody out there, if they can coexist?

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Give me a week and I'll give you my opinion of both. I had the 900rr header with D&D can. I decided to switch back to the undertail, still waiting on the Satos to get here. Baysideperformace.com has the titanium Satos for $720. But the offset is that its been over three weeks since I ordered them and they should be here Monday.

I had a buddy with some spare time, so I got help putting the Y pipe back in and have been riding it for about a week. The baffelectomized stock cans suck terribly compared to the lowside exhaust and PCIII. I'm really hoping the Satos give it that kick in the pants in needs right now.
hey i just ordered a sato can from bayside 3 weeks ago too should be here on monday as well. i will never be ordering from them again. to the 6-10 days means nothing. it took them 12 days just to ship it and that is after i emailed them and started to ride their @$$e$ i am not impressed with them at all

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hey i just ordered a sato can from bayside 3 weeks ago too should be here on monday as well. i will never be ordering from them again. to the 6-10 days means nothing. it took them 12 days just to ship it and that is after i emailed them and started to ride their @$$e$ i am not impressed with them at all
That is why I'm up front on my parts and how long it's going to take. You piss someone off and they will never buy from you again.

Just return it and get mine!

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i would how ever this was slightly cheaper than yours and i better be here by monday. riding season will be starting soon and want this done before then. otherwise i would get yours.

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One question: I noticed you used the centerstand mount. I actually have a center stand. I couldn't really tell from your pictures if the exhaust and centerstand can coexist. It looks like the exhaust might be in the way of the stand's travel. Do you know, or anybody out there, if they can coexist?
I walked out and looked at my bike, and my guess is that they couldn't coexist. It looks like when you put it up it would hit the pipe. I use a rear stand and it doesn't interfere with that.

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I walked out and looked at my bike, and my guess is that they couldn't coexist. It looks like when you put it up it would hit the pipe. I use a rear stand and it doesn't interfere with that.
Dang it.

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The 900 header mount bracket actually matches where the center stand mount is. Thats how i mounted mine anyway. Even if you could rig something to go through the header mount and center stand mount, I dont think you have enough room down there for the center stand because of how the 900 header turns out.

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hey i just ordered a sato can from bayside 3 weeks ago too should be here on monday as well. i will never be ordering from them again. to the 6-10 days means nothing. it took them 12 days just to ship it and that is after i emailed them and started to ride their @$$e$ i am not impressed with them at all
Did they tell you it was taking so long to ship because they all left for the Daytona Race? I like saving money, but I wish they had been upfront on the shipping delay.

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I don't care for the look of the low side exhaust on the 919 at all, but to each their own.

Carbon/Titanium exhaust will shave 10 or so pounds of the stock exhaust. Personally I love my carbon Sato's. Don't run a PC3 and I can't say I ever really notice the exhaust stink on mine.

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I don't care for the look of the low side exhaust on the 919 at all, but to each their own.

Carbon/Titanium exhaust will shave 10 or so pounds of the stock exhaust. Personally I love my carbon Sato's. Don't run a PC3 and I can't say I ever really notice the exhaust stink on mine.
I think the 900RR setup I did I figured shaved about 13-14 lbs off stock, so if the carbon/ titanium shaves 10 lbs, probably not a big difference there. I think it will really come down to what you like.

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I think the 900RR setup I did I figured shaved about 13-14 lbs off stock, so if the carbon/ titanium shaves 10 lbs, probably not a big difference there. I think it will really come down to what you like.
You're absolutely right Mike - Some take the high road, others take the low road.

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Did they tell you it was taking so long to ship because they all left for the Daytona Race? I like saving money, but I wish they had been upfront on the shipping delay.
they told me that it was all right on schedule, i told them to kiss my @$$ and not to expect my money ever again.

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talking bout fast ratdog sent me my gas tank on saturday, from NJ went to TN back to VT and i picked it up monday morning

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Satos and centerstand for me.

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Sato carbons here. Would not have it ay other way--cept maybe some white ti Mori's

The carbons save 10 lbs.

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The craftwork on the satos is very good- on par with Termi's.. the best headers I've seen yet come out of Dale walkers place..

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I just put a set of Sato TI on my bike. They look, fit, sound awesome. Here in MN there is snow, ice, and salt, so I can't tell you how the bike runs yet. I got my set through Chicago Cycle off Ebay for $645 including shipping. They were getting rid of dusty parts off there shelves that weren't moving, so I guess I got lucky. From what I've seen these are first gen.

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I have the 900rr setup on my bike and love it. I'll give you some of my thoughts on the differences.

I think the looks are a matter of personal preference. I like both setups.

The Sato cans save some weight, the 900rr setup saves more.

The Sato cans were designed for the 919. You can't buy a can for the 900rr setup that was designed for the 919. Some companies just copy a design from another bike and say it is "designed for the 919", Sato is not one of those companies.

I'm sure the can makes a difference but a bigger factor in control is probably the PCIII.

The two biggest reasons I went with the 900rr setup were to eliminate the stink and because it was economical. You will have a much easier time finding good deals on 900rr stuff but you will have used parts (at least the header).

The Sato's would be easier to install.

You can't go wrong with either setup. Lots of people here have both and you will rarely hear anybody that has either setup complain.

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hey just got my muffler in today, this is what i am using. just have to wait for my headers now. will be droped of tomorrow here is the teaser shot

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How much dust was on that can? It is a ancient Gen. 1

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All Gen. II cans, no matter what the application have the embossed Sato bands at both ends.


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yep, mine are definitely Gen 1. No bands.

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3D--This a 900RR single low Sato can correct?

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it is a "universal" can that i am hoping will fit right onto the 900rr header. wont know for sure until tuesday. this weekend at the latest.

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if anybody has a spare 900rr header, i'm in the market...pm me!

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I got my Satos, for the stock header, today. Here's a question for anyone that knows. I'm pretty sure the Satos are gen 2. They have the "Sato Racing" bands at either end. But they dont have the side plates, and don't have the holes in the sides for the plates. Is that normal? I've only seen one pic on here of Satos without the side plates.

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no bands on these, and this picture comes right from satoracing.com

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That's a great looking can 3D. Hope everything fits up well for ya.

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I got the Satos installed. Having another set of hands would have really help line them up. But otherwise, the install was straight forward. The sound at idle is great, but untill the rain stops, the bike is parked in the garage.

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