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Rear suspension on lowest setting??

I was just wondering if I alter the rear suspension on my '07 919 to the lowest setting, if it would lower the bike any? I mean if I sit on it, will it compress down a little more to help me flat foot the bike? I weigh 125 pounds, if that matters any. I made an observation when someone with an inseam of 28" but twice my weight sat on my bike and the were almost flat footed.

I am only 5' 2" on a good day, and while my inseam is relatively long in relation to my short height at almost 31", I will take any more foot contact I can gain. Right now I am solidly on the balls of my feet which doesn't present any problems, except when trying to park my bike at work where there is a slight incline. Its just hard to get the leverage I need to back the bike in. So, before I go by a spanner to try it...I thought maybe someone here would know a thing or two about this.

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A better option would be to get your seat redone by an auto upholstery shop and use alternative padding that would lower the seat height.


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I think spencers seat mods could cut down the saddle and still keep it comfy for your tushy with their "supracor incert". Check out www.greatdaytoride.com for more info.

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Don't go buy a spanner, there's one under your seat in the tool kit!!
I don't think they include the tool kits anymore, I might be wrong.
But at 125 the shock will not compress enough to make a difference.
Spencer's is a good option as a winter project due to turnaround time.
An auto upholstery shop could do it in a couple of hours.

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Any reduction is pre load will help.
How much? Hard to say. Body position on the bike makes a difference.
The further back you sit, the more squat you'll get.
But you don't have a choice.
Bump it down as far as it will go, adjust the rebound to compensate for less spring "unloading" & give it a try.
If you don't get what you need, then go to the seat mod.
At 5'2", you just might need both.

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First off, at 125lbs. the rear preload should be at the lowest setting. Unless you add another 60 to 80lbs. of ballast the rear will still be too stiff. It is over sprung, thank you Honda. Other than having the seat modified your other option is to get the rear shock re-valved & re-sprung to your weight. If $$ is no object and Ohlins or Penske shock is the 'hot setup.'

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First off, at 125lbs. the rear preload should be at the lowest setting. Unless you add another 60 to 80lbs. of ballast the rear will still be too stiff. It is over sprung, thank you Honda. Other than having the seat modified your other option is to get the rear shock re-valved & re-sprung to your weight. If $$ is no object and Ohlins or Penske shock is the 'hot setup.'
Over sprung on which years? I think the '05 and up might have a different spring. I had my bike tuned at Willow Springs by professional suspension guys, and they cranked the shock preload to maximum stiffness and told me to get a heavier spring. As a workaround, they recommended raising the forks 3mm. The settings were for a novice rider at 150 pounds.

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Hello, my wife is about 5'2' (her estimation) and about 115lbs. We had to replace the spring, which was only about $125 (it was a while ago, so my memory might be off a little, but it wasn't much). We also had Sargent make a seat for her (about 1.5" lower) and slid the forks up a bit. It was amazing the difference it made for her (but made me sad, because my much larger butt didn't work so well any more on her 599, hey, I have my own now, and it's a 919!!!!!).

Lindeman Suspension out of California measured and replaced the spring for us.

Good Luck, Steve

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Hello, my wife is about 5'2' (her estimation) and about 115lbs. We had to replace the spring, which was only about $125 (it was a while ago, so my memory might be off a little, but it wasn't much). We also had Sargent make a seat for her (about 1.5" lower) and slid the forks up a bit. It was amazing the difference it made for her (but made me sad, because my much larger butt didn't work so well any more on her 599, hey, I have my own now, and it's a 919!!!!!).

Lindeman Suspension out of California measured and replaced the spring for us.

Good Luck, Steve
That's one way to keep you off her bike.

Got a linky for Lindeman? I need to do something about the shock, but would rather spend the cash on track days than an Ohlins.

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That's one way to keep you off her bike.

Got a linky for Lindeman? I need to do something about the shock, but would rather spend the cash on track days than an Ohlins.
She is going to get a laugh when I mention your response. Lindeman did my suspension for my ZX10 using a Penske double clicker and rebuilding my forks. With the work on my 10 and on my wife's bike I can say I have had an AWESOME experience with him. Here is his link:

http://www.le-suspension.com/

If you are planning on doing something, it is way faster this time of year. Plus, he set it up for my weight and riding style (whatever that really means).

Good Luck, Steve

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Over sprung on which years? I think the '05 and up might have a different spring. I had my bike tuned at Willow Springs by professional suspension guys, and they cranked the shock preload to maximum stiffness and told me to get a heavier spring. As a workaround, they recommended raising the forks 3mm. The settings were for a novice rider at 150 pounds.
Good point. In 04' the shock gained adj. rebound, it might also have a weaker spring.
Regardless, at 125lbs. the sag still might not be in the ball park.

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Regardless, at 125lbs. the sag still might not be in the ball park.
When my wife sat on her bike, with the stock spring, there was little (almost no) actual movement. I'm glad they went a little heavy with their springs (for me on the 919).....

Later, Steve

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My 02' is a nightmare, every time I hit a bump I fear my fillings will be jarred loose

sike: What did LE charge to swap out the spring?

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sike: What did LE charge to swap out the spring?
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We had to replace the spring, which was only about $125 (it was a while ago, so my memory might be off a little, but it wasn't much).

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Hello, my wife is about 5'2' (her estimation) and about 115lbs. We had to replace the spring, which was only about $125 (it was a while ago, so my memory might be off a little, but it wasn't much).
Lindeman Suspension out of California measured and replaced the spring for us.

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My 02' is a nightmare, every time I hit a bump I fear my fillings will be jarred loose

sike: What did LE charge to swap out the spring?
My bad!

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Mike,

Look at this page for an answer: http://www.le-suspension.com/LE-About.html

Springs are $100: http://www.le-suspension.com/catalog...products_id=37

Does the 919 shock have an airvalve? There's $45 difference in labor cost.

EDIT: An air valve like on a tire?

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My 02' is a nightmare, every time I hit a bump I fear my fillings will be jarred loose

sike: What did LE charge to swap out the spring?
We actually had to send him the entire shock/spring, because he didn't have a spec chart for it. So, he measured it and went from there. The result appears to be just right for my wife. I'm wondering about my 919, because it had some handling quirks on the way home. However, the previous owner had everything all soft and the tire pressure was at about 25. So, I'll wait to make any judgements (hopefully ride this afternoon). I see the popcorn eating is alive and well here. Hopefully none of the attacking like on some forums????

Later, Steve

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I see the popcorn eating is alive and well here. Hopefully none of the attacking like on some forums????

Later, Steve
What can I say, we're a hungry bunch.

Just stay away from the Politics & Prostitutes section and you should be fine.

Thanks again for suggesting LE for suspension service; I'll call them tomorrow about turnaround times for the shock respring and revalve.

Mike

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I just checked LE's track schedule. They'll be at the Streets of Willow on Nov. 10th with Hyperclub. I was planning on doing that track day.

I'll stop by and talk to them about the 919 and post a report on their take on the suspension.

I'm done. Carry on.

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Thanks for all the gr8 sugestions!

For some reason mine did not come with a spanner, only a helmet lock cable and an allen wrench.

Can the rear suspension be adjusted without the spanner? Could someone lift the tail up while another uses a screwdriver to tap it into place? Forgive me if it sounds like I have no clue what I am talking about, its cuz I don't.

So then, if I do adjust it to the lightest setting then do I have to do anything to the front to counteract this change?

If it ends up making little difference in the compression due to my weight then I'll definateley consider the seat modification. ( Either that or gain 50 pounds!) Any idea how much lower they would be able to make the seat? I don't want to feel like I'm sitting on the seat pan.

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We also had Sargent make a seat for her (about 1.5" lower)
Wow, that is quite a bit! I think that would be plenty for me. Did they modify her existing seat or just build her a new one? Was it expensive? I looked at the Spencer site and it was affordable, I'm not sure how much lower they could make it though.

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Wow, that is quite a bit! I think that would be plenty for me. Did they modify her existing seat or just build her a new one? Was it expensive? I looked at the Spencer site and it was affordable, I'm not sure how much lower they could make it though.
Try calling them, sometimes that's the best way to get all the details.

Regardless, you should have the suspension set up to your weight and riding style. Do you mainly commute? Any canyon riding? Things of that nature.
Find a reliable shop in your area. If the Honda dealer has not brought up the need for tuning suspension, I'd go elsewhere.

Raising the forks helps with the handling, besides lowering the ride height. It makes it quicker turning, not as much input required.

Hope this helps.
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Try and find another 919 owner in Denver that you could borrow their spanner. Make the adjustment, see it it helps. I have mine dialed in to the hardest setting, and I still feel like it should do more. But maybe that's the bikes way of telling me to go on a diet. I'm 210 with gear.

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i would be happy to loan you about.. oh say 20-25 pounds...



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Before we can make a final determination, we will need detailed inseam pictures

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Myztical,

Did you figure out what to do first?

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Myztical,

Did you figure out what to do first?
My bro came over and put the rear spring on the lightest setting, it seems to make a little bit of difference, but I'd really need to be much heavier to compress it enough to make a big difference. I think I'm going to send my seat to Spencer's, I emailed him and he said he can make it lower by about an inch and also level out the seat (not sure if I need that done tho.) I looked at Sargent, but was overwhelmed by all the options!

My riding is mainly commuting to work and running around town. The occasional run to the hills for the twisties, thats about it. I do want to go to the track and the drag strip to run the quarter mile but that will be few and far in between.

I'm OK on the balls of my feet, just the backing up on those slight inclines that gets me. I know I'm not the only one that can't flat foot it, there has to be some shorties around here that don't alter their bikes height and just live with it like that.

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Yeah, I didn't think one click would make that much difference. At 150 without gear, bike barely moves when I saddle up.

Are you waiting till the snow arrives before shipping the seat?

BTW Don't forget to tune the suspension; part of the reason why I low sided on a left hand sweeper at GMR. Just sayin'


As far as taking it to the track, look into a school like Kieth Code's California Superbike School first. I learned more in one day with Kieth and crew than in four track days. Also, some of the things you learn in school can help with surviving on the mean streets, like here in L.A.

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i just threw up a lot and i still don't feel good

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Are you waiting till the snow arrives before shipping the seat?

BTW Don't forget to tune the suspension; part of the reason why I low sided on a left hand sweeper at GMR. Just sayin'


As far as taking it to the track, look into a school like Kieth Code's California Superbike School first.
I was going to wait for old man winter to get here but his turn around times are so quick that I may do it real soon.

How do I tune the suspension? What exactly do I need to do to it? Your talking about the adjustments on the front forks, right? Sorry for my lack of knowledge. But I sure don't want to low side!!!

You guys have everything in Cali, I don't think we have any schools like that here in Denver.

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that is soooo wrong on soooo many levels... its like she grew a winter coat... gaaaahh... and now i can't ever UNSEE THAT PICTURE.. my retinas are forever scarred with the image of her legs... and imagine if you can the gentle brushing of above said "woman"?!!?s legs against your ears in stereo if you get my drift..



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