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RC51 fork swap - what works

RC51 SP1 ('00-'01) or SP2 ('02 +) forks
CBR929/954 lower triple w/custom stem (Emig Racing or other) or the stem from a CB1000R, must drill to except 919 headlight stay insulators also must modify steering stops* You must use a HoHey, RC51, CBR929/954 or another upper triple that is 30mm offset. The CB1000R is 35mm offset and WILL NOT WORK with the CBR929/954 lower
CB1000R lower triple is a direct fit but use with SP1 outer tubes/forks and it requires 0.2mm fork bore shims and you have to modify the bottom headlight stay supports (widening them)
CB1000R upper triple
SP1 and SP2 front wheel (SP1 is 6 spoke & SP2 is 5)
929/954 front wheel with RC51 axle, spacers (including center hub) & bearings/seals and '04-'06 CBR600RR wheel
RC51 or '06-'07 CBR1000 front rotors (RC51 is 5.0mm thick, CBR1000 is 4.5mm thick)
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RC51 SP2 or CBR954 calipers if using CBR954/SP2 master cylinder
RC51 SP1 or CBR929 caliper with CBR929/SP1 master cylinder
'07-'13 CBR600 front fender with OE collars, rubbers (pre-emptive TWSS for MM), washers and 6mm x 20mm allen bolts (4 of everything) If you want a basic matte/flat black, use the Mat Gunpowder Black Metallic An example of a gloss black would be the Graphite Black. Of course, you can just use a carbon fiber fender off ebay

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Other: CBR900 rear wheel is a direct bolt-on, just use the 919 rotor, and is 6-spoke matching the RC51 SP1 front wheel

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Photoshop'd pic of mod needed with '07 CBR600 fender.



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Forks visual differences (not mine):


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Hohey Designs 929/954 triple with added benefit that their clip-ons can be used without removing the clamp



Spiegler Performance Parts LSL triple


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2011 (likely all years) CB1000R triple


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The CB1000R clamp does not require drilling for the front bracket but does require using it's rubber insulators.

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CB1000R lower triple is direct fit but likely better with SP1 forks and require 0.5mm shims
interesting - are the SP1 forks a little wider then the SP2s? enough so shims may not be needed? - I'm not checking in daily so I'm a little behind on all the info at this point.

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Both Sp1 and Sp2 forks will require shimming.

The lower diameter clamping surface on the fork leg of the SP1 is longer, allowing more adjustabilty up and down in the clamps.

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Found a couple of compilations which may be of use to some,

first one is bike fork lengths
Fork length Compilation - Custom Fighters - Custom Streetfighter Motorcycle Forum

Next is a compilation of fork widths
••Fork Swap Compatibility Info•• - HELP! 1-800-CAFE-HELP - DO THE TON

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Gsxr Fork Info - Custom Fighters - Custom Streetfighter Motorcycle Forum

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How to Press Steering Stem

Dan and I have been talking about the correct way to press a steering stem on another forum and I figured I'd post it here. The correct way is to keep the pressure around the stem bore area and not at the triple clamp ends.

These pdf's are very good.

http://www.appliedrace.com/Stem%20Removal.pdf

http://www.appliedrace.com/Stem%20Install.pdf

You can also press it in like the pic below. The nice thing about this is you can set everything up on one press table instead of between two tables. Flip that pic over and you have the set up for the race. Just get a piece of 10" long pipe with an ID so that the pipe will sit partially on top of the race.


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Steering Stops

Regarding the steering stops using the CBR929/954 triple I thought I'd post the following pictures.



I like the kit with the drill bit included since it's much easier to get it right. I used a bit of 3 and 1 oil on the tap when cutting the threads then cleaned it up really well.



The picture near the beginning of the thread showed using allen bolts with lock nuts. To me, these give the steering much more range of motion with plenty of clearance. The part number is: #90114-MAC-780. Last digits are a little hard to read in pic.

I have three extra pairs of these I've taken off dirt bikes over the years if anyone wants to try them. Not perfect but free. Just pay shipping for a small bubble mailer.
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Does the steering lock work with the CB1000R top triple clamp?

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Does the steering lock work with the CB1000R top triple clamp?
Yes it does.

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Running on fumes and working messed up shifts again. Time for a nap...... but first I slapped this together.


Here is a pic of the RC51 SP1 forks mocked up in the CB1000R clamps, and installed on the 919 frame. The fork shims I made work perfectly and everything installs like OEM. Also there are no issues with spacing/alignment and the clamp grip area lined up great allowing adjust ability if required.



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CBR954RR lower/CB1000R upper

Ok, I got my lower triple clamp all drilled up today despite my shoulder's objections.

The white caps on the headlight stay supports are Closet Maid shelving caps and can be found at Home Depot. They're there to make up for the difference between the 919 supports (6mm) and the CB1000R insulators 8mm inside diameter. I have automotive vacuum caps coming as these are a bit short (probably fine though).



Steering stops.



Front brake line support.



If you will put a short straight edge across the front of the steering stops and measure back 11.5-12mm that will provide turn signal bracket clearance without the need to grind the bracket. We'll see if the headlight bracket is parallel to the forks as they are stock when I get it back from powder coating. My main concern was TS clearance. Regardless, check yours and just use this measurement as a starting point.

You then just mark for the supports side to side and start drilling. To that end, Ian (Helimech) suggested starting with a small bit and working up to the final size (3/8" is a nice tight fit) as it's pretty critical they be very close to the same. This definitely made me nervous. I started at 1/16" and used every bit in the set. Thank you for that advice Ian. Worked great as they ended up +/- 0.10mm of each other.

You'll need to cut off just a little of the two headlight stay support washers so they clear the steering stops during assembly but you can mark them as-is.









So, to update. I have all of my parts now as of the other day. Just need to mod up rear turn signal brackets/have them welded, send them to PC with the triple and rear wheel, have tire installed when they come back then assemble.

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It would indeed. For me, I was just happy the stock ones work so well. If only every thing worked out so well with this project. It's been one step forward, several steps back.
Need an example? Just got my 954 clamp from powder coating yesterday, pressed the race on, greased the bearing, cut my headlight stay to it's final length and it's all looking great. Then, the first fork is really tight and the second won't go.

After talking with Ian (HeliMech), I removed the top clamp, put the forks high in the lower clamps and slipped the upper down the tubes. The stem was way off.

So, he checked his clamps and the 929/954 clamp, which is a known (?) 30mm offset, shows the CB1000R's to be maybe 36mm or so. Shit!

I'm sure that I fucked up but I was also told it was 30mm and that it was used before, although thinking about it, he didn't say what lower he used.

Regardless of blame, the CB1000R clamps work as a set, including the stem. Doesn't help me though....

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Well , That isn't good news...............................


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Well , That isn't good news...............................
No it's not. I'd suggest running CB1000R clamps, upper and lower, and the SP1 forks you have Dan. That's what Ian has in his. He made up really nice shims for the lowers.

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No it's not. I'd suggest running CB1000R clamps, upper and lower, and the SP1 forks you have Dan. That's what Ian has in his. He made up really nice shims for the lowers.
Bad news inbound Rob ..... just sat down with an engineer and crunched the numbers.

Good news ..... Cornering the market on fork shims! Muhaha.
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I'm sure that I fucked up but I was also told it was 30mm and that it was used before, although thinking about it, he didn't say what lower he used.

Regardless of blame, the CB1000R clamps work as a set, including the stem. Doesn't help me though....

Don't beat yourself up over this. My setup worked out which is SP1 forks and CB1000R clamps, and I appreciate your help and input to get mine together ..... couldn't have done it without you.

I guess next I need to sit down and figure out how the 35mm offset will affect the trail and geometry of my 919 next when compared to the stock setup? Hmmmm?
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You can use the CB1000R front fender but, unlike the CBR600 fender, the mounting points are not all bolt-on ready with the RC51 mounts. The rear mounts require a short bracket be made and I got them done today.





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Headlight stay with CB1000R upper/lower triple clamps

As mentioned, the bottom supports have to be widened and, of course, the 919 supports are 6mm and the CB1000R insulators have 8mm ID insulators.

Here's the idea I came up with.



The 919 supports are centered from the front on the 8mm supports after cutting off the washers and the lower supports.



I used a simple jig made out a length of 2"x4", drilled thru at 110mm on-center with a 8mm (5/16") bit, then added a piece of 1"x4" on the bottom.



After welding it looks like this front/rear:





And on the bike:



The rear of the headlight brackets are nice and parallel to the forks as they are on stock 919's, however, the turn signal brackets are too close.





I will either cut them and move them forward by maybe 5-10mm or, more likely, I'll just grind some relief from the back of them.

Had I moved the headlight stay more forward, I wouldn't have kept the alignment of the headlight brackets. I was willing to make more work for myself.

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If you plain on using the stock guages with both CB1KR clamps, you will need to compensate for the fact the lower clamp is not straight, it rises and then goes to the forks. This has the effect of raising the headlight bracket bolt holes and the guages are no longer a friction fit.

You will need to shorten your headlight stay's lower supports to compensate for the triples rise. I didn't and will have to cut off the rear guage mounts and fashion some brackets. Not a big deal but more work.
Here's my fix. I made up a couple of brackets and attached them to the front of the upper triple. I made some mock-up brackets first to get the angle and where to drill before making these.



I cut the white 919 mounts back saving just the last level bit (red arrow). Then drilled for 6mm bolts (40mm long), nylock on top and then cut off the bolt heads. A little of the outer housing had to be cut back so it cleared my brackets (blue lines). I put three rubber washers between the white 919 portion and my brackets then Loctited the bottom nuts.






Finished gauges.




Bike is fully assembled now. Just need to bleed the front brakes. I'll try to get some pics tomorrow, it's raining off and on today (though I did sneak in a quick ride through the neighborhood).

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The gauges were the last bit of fabrication for me. It just left me with the headlight and the bike is now complete.


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Here's the front end parts list:

- CB1000R
- Upper triple clamp
- Lower triple clamp w/Helimechs shims
- One-piece handlebar clamp
- Handlebars with bar-end weights/hardware
- Stem nut and cap
- Handlebar clutch and master cylinder mirror clamps
- Mirror lock nut covers
- Fender & brake line holders

- RC51
- SP2 Forks w/SP1 outer tubes
- SP2 Cartridges, caps, bushings, seals and clips
- Wheel
- Axle with spacers and nut
- Rotors (EBC - Stock RC51)

- CBR954RR
- Master cylinder
- Calipers with EBC HH brake pads
- 919 brake line

- CBR600RR
- Turn signals

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As you can tell, this thread is much shorter now. I asked Wes and MarylandMike to add things that we have confirmed to post #1 and make many deletions so that the thread is more concise for future readers. With something as technical as the RC51 fork swap, it will help them to not have to read over non-topic posts or items that didn't work out. Thank you.

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If you can't get sp1 or sp2 forks what forks can you use?

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I wish I had a garage to be able to do these types of things but I live in an apartment building. So sad.

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That front end looks great, Robert, excellent job.

You must feel it was worth the effort?

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That front end looks great, Robert, excellent job.

You must feel it was worth the effort?
For sure man. The forks and the Ohlins shock really work together great. Love it brother! Thank you.

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Even my daughter loves that bike. Very nice.

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I wish I had a garage to be able to do these types of things but I live in an apartment building. So sad.
Sorry, missed this one. No way I could have done this without a garage (2-car). One day brother.

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Sorry, missed this one. No way I could have done this without a garage (2-car). One day brother.
Yeah, I'll have to continue and be mechanically challenged because I don't have a place to learn...

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Been there too man. Had to keep my dirtbike in a buddies single-car garage in a not so great neighborhood for a couple years. Sucked but he was nice enough to store it for me so can't really complain.
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Question for the people that have messed around with this a bunch: I was thinking of copying the factory 919 upper and lower clamps except the hole for the forks. I would make the holes the same size as the RC51 clamps. Then I would be able to use all the stock 919 components except the forks and down (wheel,axle,brakes)? Make sense? Am I missing something?

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