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post #1 of 26 Old 02-11-2015, 07:20 AM Thread Starter
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Question On Brake and Clutch Levers?

Greetings. I have enjoyed lurking here and the FAQ and am now the proud owner of a 919

One question I have is regarding levers. I see on mine the brake lever incorporates a break away notch while the clutch lever does not. Just trying to determine whether either one was replaced or if this is the way they are?

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Mine is the same. I'm sure they all are.
But not all Hondas are that way. My 2006 VFR has no notch on either lever but the shapes are different. It probably depends on how the levers fracture in the development testing. They may want to ensure that a short piece remains for a limp-home consideration. (just my 2 cents)

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Mine is the same. I'm sure they all are.


....Welcome and congratulations on your new ride!

Thanks for checking yours, and the welcome Mark. I'm looking forward to being able to ride this bike. I did have it out once for 50 miles or so a few days back. The roads were so gritty I couldn't really tell much about it's handling. The tires are original but still have decent tread and look ok.

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Greetings. I have enjoyed lurking here and the FAQ and am now the proud owner of a 919

One question I have is regarding levers. I see on mine the brake lever incorporates a break away notch while the clutch lever does not. Just trying to determine whether either one was replaced or if this is the way they are?
It's fine like that. If you want some adjustement on the clutch, you'll have to buy aftermarket levers.

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If they are original, at best they are 7+ years old. I wouldn't roll on them doing much more than straight lines... Or maybe one fat burnout to kill the rear.

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If they are original, at best they are 7+ years old. I wouldn't roll on them doing much more than straight lines... Or maybe one fat burnout to kill the rear.
+1 replace them asap. The road 2/3/4 are really good for the 919.

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+2. Fresh tires will make a world of difference!

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The tires are original but still have decent tread and look ok.
Replace those right away. The stock tires were known to be very poor when new and they haven't gotten any better since. Motorcycle tires should be replaced every 5 years even if they haven't worn out.

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+1 replace them asap. The road 2/3/4 are really good for the 919.
Are you referring to Michelin Pilot Road? I looked at Michelin's fitment site which lists the CB900 Hornet 2002-2005. I assumed this is correct thinking they didn't list the last 2-3 years for some reason. Anyway this is what comes up;

"MICHELIN provides tyres for more than 3000 motorcycles
... but unfortunately not this one.
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Are you referring to Michelin Pilot Road? I looked at Michelin's fitment site which lists the CB900 Hornet 2002-2005. I assumed this is correct thinking they didn't list the last 2-3 years for some reason. Anyway this is what comes up;

"MICHELIN provides tyres for more than 3000 motorcycles
... but unfortunately not this one.
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Yes, Pilot Roads. Some of the best rubber you can put on the 9er. You want 120/70/17 front and 180/55/17 rear.

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They make PR3 and 4 in the common size it takes so it's interesting Michelin doesn't recommend either of them for our 919 (unless I'm using their fitment incorrectly)? Any difference in mileage between PR3 and PR4 because it looks like they're the same price, F $135F and R $172, at least at the first place I checked.

Reading Michelin's description of the PR4 again I see;

Longest tread life in its class
Up to 20% longer tread life than Michelin Pilot Road 3 tires


So I guess I'll order a set of PR4's.

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Are you referring to Michelin Pilot Road? I looked at Michelin's fitment site which lists the CB900 Hornet 2002-2005.
For future reference, just know that other than just some cosmetic changes and trivial features, all year 919s are mechanically the same so 99% of parts are interchangeable.

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I think that their website just sucks, it's not that they wouldn't recommend it. PR4 is an improvement in traction and life according to Michelin and from what I've seen it's the same price or cheaper than the PR3's. Seemed like a no brainer to me.

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Thanks Pvster that's what I was assuming. Just color, and adjustable damping from 04 on is all that I am aware of.

I was teetering wether to replace the tires even though they look good, Michelins's site advises replacing them at 10 years no matter what. Now I'll change them for sure. LOL my to do list is growing.... fluid change oil and filter, brake fluid, coolant, and battery. Now tires.

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Yes, Pilot Roads. Some of the best rubber you can put on the 9er. You want 120/70/17 front and 180/55/17 rear.
I prefer 190/55/17. To each his own... The 180/55 might seem a bit too 'tall' for it's narrow width.

190/50 is the opposite, probably a bit too wide and harder to 'tip in'.

The 190/55 is the perfect balance.

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I prefer 190/55/17. To each his own... The 180/55 might seem a bit too 'tall' for it's narrow width.

190/50 is the opposite, probably a bit too wide and harder to 'tip in'.

The 190/55 is the perfect balance.
Since 50 or 55 is a ratio not a dimension shouldn't they be the same theoretically (with the 190 actually being taller?)

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This helps explain it a bit more:



TL;DR. Same lean profile, more contact patch.

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This helps explain it a bit more:



TL;DR. Same lean profile, more contact patch.
On a 6 inch rim, sure, but will that still be true on a 5-1/2 inch wheel as on a 919? I'm thinking the 180/55 on the narrower 5-1/2 rim might have a slightly better contact patch.

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Well, lots of folks on here have tried them, myself included, and have loved them.

A lot comes down to personal preference.

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We're talking about pretty small insignificant differences here, particularly for street riding.

Here's the profile comparison for a 5-1/2" rim:



The 190 is taller, wider, heavier, and generally costs more. For that you get a slightly different look which being subjective is an individual preference as to whether that is better, worse, or meh. For someone who rides only on the street staying with the stock size would seem to make the most sense. If you're stuck out in BFE with a biffed rear tire and all you can find is a 190, a 190 will look mighty good. If you're hoping to maximize track performance I think you have to consider specific manufacturer recommendations for rim size. Dunlop might suggest 190s where Michelin or Pirelli 185s. YMMV as they say.

Just be sure to sand them down before hitting the track, just like the pros do.

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Interesting that the 190/50 on a 5.5" rim looks to have a steeper profile than the 180/55. I would imagine that a 190/55 is steeper yet. Since it's an expensive experiment I am not going to try it though. In general I think the 9er is a very planted bike and I'd be down with quicker turn in.

I don't think the power of the 9er warrants any more rubber than a 180 though, I'd rather just raise my forks up a bit

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We're talking about pretty small insignificant differences here, particularly for street riding.

Here's the profile comparison for a 5-1/2" rim:



The 190 is taller, wider, heavier, and generally costs more. For that you get a slightly different look which being subjective is an individual preference as to whether that is better, worse, or meh. For someone who rides only on the street staying with the stock size would seem to make the most sense. If you're stuck out in BFE with a biffed rear tire and all you can find is a 190, a 190 will look mighty good. If you're hoping to maximize track performance I think you have to consider specific manufacturer recommendations for rim size. Dunlop might suggest 190s where Michelin or Pirelli 185s. YMMV as they say.

Just be sure to sand them down before hitting the track, just like the pros do.
Those profiles seem to indicate that the 190 will flatspot sooner and more perceptibly.

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^^ That diagram up above fails to show the 190/55 though. It still gives more patch at lean than the 180/50. Even on a 5.5" rim I believe.

I had stock tires (bike had 300 miles on it) on my bike when I rode Osiris' bike with 190/55 2CT's on it. Both had stock suspension and forks were set to the same height. His bike turned in like butter, whereas I was not so confident on mine. I had to fight it to get it down into the corner.

I replaced the stock tires pretty quickly because of that very feeling.

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Interesting. I might give it a go when my pilot pure gives up (shouldn't be long!) unfortunately the pr4 is +$25 to up size

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Well I ordered RP4's yesterday (180/55 and 120/70). Jake Wilson's acknowledgement indicated I should receive them today. Thanks for your advice.

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poor guys gonna be all worried about his tire sizes now, way to go guys.
hell, let's throw in a 120/60 front tire

really, i've heard tire dimensions are not nearly as exact and different as we'd think.
unless you're going to be running laps on them switching back and forth with all variables controlled, you'll probably never notice a difference.. The head mechanic at my local shop said he had a 919 and worked with tire development (i think he said helping with bridgestone) and w/e size they put on mine he highly recommended it over the stock. feels great to me, but then, the tires that were on it were used so of course anything is going to feel better. I've been impressed at how my riding developed, but this is also my first sportish bike. so who knows. just go with the stock size and don't worry about it.

oh i do have the PR4s though. wonderful tire. i've done about 8k miles on them and no where near wear bars. great wet traction. plenty of grip to get rid of chicken strips

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