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post #1 of 48 Old 11-22-2008, 07:03 PM Thread Starter
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Plate hider?

I know it's pretty taboo. Especially on a levelheaded sight like this. But, I'm starting to turn slightly survivalist. You never know where things might lead. You have to admit, it's pretty sneaky. I don't think I'd really use it on the street for traffic cameras in the morning commute.

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post #2 of 48 Old 11-22-2008, 07:18 PM
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How many places will that help you?

I mean, you'd have to have your license plate hidden to begin with... a cop will usually have the plate numbers in before even flipping on the lights...

Just remember that you can't outrun a radio and to drive safe.

If anything, flipping it over 180 degrees to reveal a different license plate would be more efficient. Then, you just run the fake license plate all the time. When the cops find out and commence to chase, ditch em and flip the plate to the real one.

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I got a ticket a couple months ago, cuz mine wasn't "visible" enough. Could be plainly read... Just because it was bent slightly under the tail.

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You're right. It's not really my style to run anyway. But I could think of a few other uses.

You're parked at a bar in town. 5.0 makes their rounds and has an itch for hassling motorcycles. He writes down plate numbers and waits 2 blocks down the street. I'm not implying drinking and riding in the least, but bike night? Meeting a few people out for a minute or dinner at a bar? Park on private property and flip it up.

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I'd look into the ramifications of getting caught with it installed and weigh the price that way. Just having a device like this installed is illegal in my neck of the woods as I understand it.

Of course, it's possible the install would go undetected...

Do they really use speed cameras in Ohio?? I haven't gotten hit by one of those since I lived in Berlin. I hated those damn "blitzers", as they called them.

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The more folks that are in jail from this jack *ss maneuver the sooner we will have mandatory gps tracking technology. That would reduce crimes, so it's a necessary evolution.

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The more folks that are in jail from this jack *ss maneuver the sooner we will have mandatory gps tracking technology. That would reduce crimes, so it's a necessary evolution.
that hopefully will never happen... of course if you have navigation is your auto, or your phone.. it is already set in place to happen.. but that is a big infringment on personal rights...

mandatory tracking of anything other than child molesters and rapists scares the sh!!t out of me



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I knew a guy who had a similar set up for his truck as the 180 idea, but it was a raising arm between the bed and the back window and he had 2 different plates that could be raised.

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You're right. It's not really my style to run anyway. But I could think of a few other uses.

You're parked at a bar in town. 5.0 makes their rounds and has an itch for hassling motorcycles. He writes down plate numbers and waits 2 blocks down the street. I'm not implying drinking and riding in the least, but bike night? Meeting a few people out for a minute or dinner at a bar? Park on private property and flip it up.
Let's see in this scenario you would leave the bar or whatever and as passing the cop you would flip your plate up so it couldn't be seen? You don't think he'd stop you for not having a license plate?

The only scenario I can see that this would be useful in would be going through a toll booth or traffic camera.

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My friend mounted his license plate IN FRONT of his rear tire. One of those $80 eBay fender eliminators. Cops never hassle him here in town. I can see the LEDs mounted to the top of the plate when I'm following him, but mostly I see it reflecting off his exhaust (600RR). I will say it looks extremely clean with the entire fender removed and the plate mounted to the bottom of the battery box, but I don't think I'd do it.

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Or much simpler and not nearly as illegal...

http://www.phantomplate.com/

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Anyone know where i can buy some illegal unregistered guns?
I would not want them for everyday use, however I can think of some times it will come in handy.

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Anyone know where i can buy some illegal unregistered guns?
I would not want them for everyday use, however I can think of some times it will come in handy.
I'm sure somebody here can hook you up!

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Or you can make something like I did. I have had no problem with the cops as long as there is a light on the plate. It can be seen if you are right in behind the bike. 10 degrees to one side or the other you start missing letters. Perfect for photo radar.
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Let's see in this scenario you would leave the bar or whatever and as passing the cop you would flip your plate up so it couldn't be seen? You don't think he'd stop you for not having a license plate?

The only scenario I can see that this would be useful in would be going through a toll booth or traffic camera.
i think the scenario was more having the plate hidden when it was parked



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My friend mounted his license plate IN FRONT of his rear tire. One of those $80 eBay fender eliminators. Cops never hassle him here in town. I can see the LEDs mounted to the top of the plate when I'm following him, but mostly I see it reflecting off his exhaust (600RR). I will say it looks extremely clean with the entire fender removed and the plate mounted to the bottom of the battery box, but I don't think I'd do it.
and here if you mount the plate in front of the tire, or turn it sideways, or if you have a flip mount any of that crap it is a .... wait for it... you guessed it.... $1000.00 fine....



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LEO should aggressively confiscate and sell all vehicles circumventing plate ID. That would help the public coffers.

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Anyone know where i can buy some illegal unregistered guns?
I would not want them for everyday use, however I can think of some times it will come in handy.
Unregistered fire arms are illegal. The plate hider is legal. Along with semi auto assault rifles even thought they can both be altered to make them illegal. In fact, most guns are legal. People use them in illegal ways.

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Or you can make something like I did. I have had no problem with the cops as long as there is a light on the plate. It can be seen if you are right in behind the bike. 10 degrees to one side or the other you start missing letters. Perfect for photo radar.
That's a good idea. I think the law states must be visible from the rear. So it works.

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LEO should aggressively confiscate and sell all vehicles circumventing plate ID. That would help the public coffers.
I'm sure you'll do whatever mommy tells you to do like a good boy. Remember Uncle Sam always has YOUR best interest in mind. Don't worry, I'll still break the rules and you can continue to judge from your high horse.

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I'm sure you'll do whatever mommy tells you to do like a good boy. Remember Uncle Sam always has YOUR best interest in mind. Don't worry, I'll still break the rules and you can continue to judge from your high horse.
I think people should be allowed to do what they want to do, when it is something that does not have an impact on others. At the same time, I wouldn't want to hear any whining if someone did something like this and then got unwanted attention from the police, given that they tend to be interested in stuff that looks suspicious. Last, is it really fair to criticize the folks here for having negative comments regarding this topic??? Like you are entitled to do this if you want, people are entitled to have a negative impression of this activity. Why post this publicly and then complain regarding the input, given the nature of the activity???

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I'm sure you'll do whatever mommy tells you to do like a good boy. Remember Uncle Sam always has YOUR best interest in mind. Don't worry, I'll still break the rules and you can continue to judge from your high horse.
You asked for feedback that you can't handle.
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You asked for feedback that you can't handle.
I left home at 17yr without any support since, so I think for myself.
Ok. This will be my attempt to anti jack this thread. I can handle your comments just fine. I don't care when you left home. Your earlier statements were passively implying that installing this on my bike would make me a criminal and you feel anyone with it installed should be arrested. And, much like you disagree with the plate hider, I disagreed with you. You made assumptions on my behalf and I made one on yours.

I'd like to propose a truce and anti jack this thread. I think it's an interesting topic and thought it would be a fun conversation on the forum. So BFF?

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LEO should aggressively confiscate and sell all vehicles circumventing plate ID. That would help the public coffers.
It would only help once. They get you by fining you many times, if they take away the fine - source (IE Your bike) they can't keep getting you. So instead they give you a fine, send you on your way and get you again on another day.

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What the hell is an illegal unregistered Firearm? A unreg machine gun??

Guns start off as S/N and Fed trans form.

After that through private sale (legal in most places) it is not traceable to the new person if the seller doesnt take down the buyers info. No legal requirement to do so in AZ at least. And Most states you dont reg you guns in that local anyway.

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What the hell is an illegal unregistered Firearm? A unreg machine gun??

Guns start off as S/N and Fed trans form.

After that through private sale (legal in most places) it is not traceable to the new person if the seller doesnt take down the buyers info. No legal requirement to do so in AZ at least. And Most states you dont reg you guns in that local anyway.
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Anyone know where i can buy some illegal unregistered guns?
I would not want them for everyday use, however I can think of some times it will come in handy.
I think the penalty for getting caught with illegal guns in Virginia would have been cheaper than the tickets I got in Virginia!

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I don't understand. My karma?
In this case, non-conformity begets bad behavior. It gives you that justification to have one more drink, or drive/ride a little faster than you normally would because, in your mind, you are justified to do so. The rules that are in place for society somehow don't apply to you now and you should be able to push those rules to a razor's edge when it isn't at all necessary. It's your little way of "sticking it to the man." Place yourself in their shoes and in the shoes of joe public that looks at our kind with zero understanding or knowledge. All they see is you as a representation of all motorcyclists not conforming to the acceptable morals of civilized society.

Your first post was indicative of provoking a response because you knew it would not go well on this forum, yet you posted it anyway. If you do mount it, I sincerely hope it causes you no trouble and you can maintain a level head while riding. If, however, the tables should turn and it brings you negative attention from LEO or Joe Public, I have zero sympathy or consolation for you. You are responsible for your own actions.

Good karma begets good karma. Pay things forward, keep your head low and enjoy the ride. I'm learning more and more every day that my previous wild hairs are starting to backlash and bite me for previous flaws in judgement.

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I guess all weapons I own are illegal then. They were handed down to me from my grandad. Like I am going to take the time to register them. No thanks.

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In this case, non-conformity begets bad behavior. It gives you that justification to have one more drink, or drive/ride a little faster than you normally would because, in your mind, you are justified to do so. The rules that are in place for society somehow don't apply to you now and you should be able to push those rules to a razor's edge when it isn't at all necessary. It's your little way of "sticking it to the man." Place yourself in their shoes and in the shoes of joe public that looks at our kind with zero understanding or knowledge. All they see is you as a representation of all motorcyclists not conforming to the acceptable morals of civilized society.

Your first post was indicative of provoking a response because you knew it would not go well on this forum, yet you posted it anyway. If you do mount it, I sincerely hope it causes you no trouble and you can maintain a level head while riding. If, however, the tables should turn and it brings you negative attention from LEO or Joe Public, I have zero sympathy or consolation for you. You are responsible for your own actions.

Good karma begets good karma. Pay things forward, keep your head low and enjoy the ride. I'm learning more and more every day that my previous wild hairs are starting to backlash and bite me for previous flaws in judgement.
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you need to read more... this is the link to the supreme court decision on that... and a quote just for you
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The Defendant can be found guilty of that offense
only if all of the following facts are proved beyond a
reasonable doubt

First: That the Defendant knowingly possessed a
"firearm" as defined above;

Second: That the "firearm" was not then registered
to the Defendant in the National Firearms Registration
and Transfer Record.

It is not necessary for the Government to prove the
Defendant knew that the item described in the indict-
ment was a "firearm" which the law requires to be reg-
istered.

Let me just stop here right now and look up, folks.
That doesn't mean the ordinary pistol, shotgun, rifle
that anybody can buy. It's just the certain ones that-
It's confusing because we use the term "firearm" for
that same thing that's so very lawful. It's just these
certain things that are defined that have to be reg-
istered in the National Firearms Registration and
Transfer Record.
http://www.usdoj.gov/osg/briefs/1996/w961279w.txt

read the rest for yourself.. or the cliff notes version is they are speaking of full automatic, silencers and illegal weapons in general.. i.e. weapons you need a federal firearms license *hereafter known as a f.f.l. to own and posses.....

it is perfectly fine for john q public to own, posses and carry a unregistered firearm.. as long as they are legally allowed to by law... in other words as long as they are not a convicted felon , or have been arrested, charged or convicted of domestic violence.. or have been found to be mentally defective...

as a police officer i had and still have numerous unlicensed, unregistered weapons.



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So BFF?
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Thx bart, I think you stated it a bit better than I.....

I will not ever reg any Of my babys as long as I can help it..My title2's is a different story....

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All the work to avoid having the plate read will only result "sooner or later" with you being the target of a special group of hunters "COPS"....especiallly if they are traffic cops. Not only will you be ducking the occasional cop but you will be the lunch time and beer time conversation point. Stick to the track for speed and tricks.

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you need to read more... this is the link to the supreme court decision on that... and a quote just for you

http://www.usdoj.gov/osg/briefs/1996/w961279w.txt

read the rest for yourself.. or the cliff notes version is they are speaking of full automatic, silencers and illegal weapons in general.. i.e. weapons you need a federal firearms license *hereafter known as a f.f.l. to own and posses.....

it is perfectly fine for john q public to own, posses and carry a unregistered firearm.. as long as they are legally allowed to by law... in other words as long as they are not a convicted felon , or have been arrested, charged or convicted of domestic violence.. or have been found to be mentally defective...

as a police officer i had and still have numerous unlicensed, unregistered weapons.
Thank You Barton.....many people are miss-informed!

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as a police officer i had and still have numerous unlicensed, unregistered weapons.
You're a police officer? What would you do if you saw a plate hider installed on a bike? Would you consider it a serious problem? What if you noticed it was installed and not used? You're the perfect person to ask.

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