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Pairs plates=better milage

Is it just me, my imagination or anyone else find this? I little while ago I did some spring work to my 9er. New plugs and the plates. I know the new plugs will help, but only so much. The last 5 times I filled up I got over 300 Kms to a tank of fuel. Still riding like I stole it, yet when i fill up I still have 1-1.5 liters of gas in there. The one time I filled my trip meter said I went 327kms. I haven't changed sprockets lately, still running 16/45. The only time I have gotten anywhere close to 300 is if I am following my wife on her bike. I never got this kind of milage when the bike was new, What's up?

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What plates are you refeering to?

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The pairs block off plates on the top of the engine.

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uh..good question... 300kms converts to about 186 miles...last time i ran my tank dry was w/out the plates installed on a stock 919 and I got 175 or so......sounds like i need to run the test again now that i have bafflectomy/ plates/ and power commander. i have 100 on the trip meter now and no work tomorow. i'll see what happens.

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uh..good question... 300kms converts to about 186 miles...last time i ran my tank dry was w/out the plates installed on a stock 919 and I got 175 or so......sounds like i need to run the test again now that i have bafflectomy/ plates/ and power commander. i have 100 on the trip meter now and no work tomorow. i'll see what happens.

Sounds like your bike is the same as mine. Bafflectomy, plates and power commander (stock mapping). The only thing relitively new is the plates.

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u guys must be babying ur 919.... my last tank i went an uneasy "150mi" (really more like 135miles due to my 1tooth less front sprocket = 6% high of a reading ontop of the 2-3% the odo already had).... 15 of which was with the reserve light constantly on.. took 3.8gal to fill it back up = 35mpg.

But 90% of my riding is all in the twisties so i dont expect to get that great o gas mileage.

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In theory they hold 19 l or 5.0 gals. I suspect there is 0.5-1 l that is unuseable.

Pars plate - hmmm they are only injecting air into the exhaust pipes - maybe this disturbs the header flow very slightly reducing mileage?

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Hard to say if the pairs plates made a discernable difference, seems that I've always gotten better mileage than many other 919 owners report, average 46-49 mpg with a high of 52. I've got pairs plates, iridium spark plugs, PCIII and Satos, plus I always run Shell Ultra which I know someone will say is a waste because the bike only needs regular but say what you will, my bike runs better on premium.

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In theory they hold 19 l or 5.0 gals. I suspect there is 0.5-1 l that is unuseable.
The 19l/5 gal. is all useable. I have run out of gas at least 4 times and always put in 19 liters.

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Hard to say if the pairs plates made a discernable difference, seems that I've always gotten better mileage than many other 919 owners report, average 46-49 mpg with a high of 52. I've got pairs plates, iridium spark plugs, PCIII and Satos, plus I always run Shell Ultra which I know someone will say is a waste because the bike only needs regular but say what you will, my bike runs better on premium.
What are you running for a front sprocket? You mean to say you ran 260 miles on a single tank?
I figure it like this.... 300 kms=187.5 miles minus 6% for speedo error is 176miles /5= 35.25mles/gal. Even without speedo error that is still only 37.5.

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The 19l/5 gal. is all useable. I have run out of gas at least 4 times and always put in 19 liters.



What are you running for a front sprocket? You mean to say you ran 260 miles on a single tank?
I figure it like this.... 300 kms=187.5 miles minus 6% for speedo error is 176miles /5= 35.25mles/gal. Even without speedo error that is still only 37.5.
Stock sprocket. Fuel light comes on around 165 or so, has over 1.5 gallons in reserve, so that's 250 per tank if you wanted to run it down to nothing.

I don't hot rod from every stop light but do open it up when the opportunty presents itself, seems that my bike has just always gotten great mileage. Don't really remember what it got before the mods, worst I've every gotten was 42mpg and that was riding hard in the twisties for a whole tank.

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I did my PAIRS plates a few weeks back and have actually noticed worse gas mileage. I have stock sprockets, iridium plugs and a PCIII. Last season I was averaging low to mid 40's mpg. Now unless I'm on the superslab, I'm lucky to get 39. Two things for me though, I really need to change my coolant and the stoplights in Lexington are literally 3-4 minutes per cycle.

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i have NEVER been able to get anywhere CLOSE to 5gal in... 4.2 once and that was riding on 25mi on the reserve to completely filled almost overflowing.

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I routinely get 42-45mpg on my 9'er. and like n4d, I can never get more than 4.2 gals in the tank. Stock sprockets, pairs system still installed, 900RR exhaust, no PCIII. I have iridium plugs, but didn't notice and mileage change over stock.

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Obviously '02's are not only the faster 9'ers, they're also the most fuel efficient!

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The PAIRS plate would have no affect on gas mileage. The system is a reed valve designed to open when unburned fuel exists in the exhaust to allow a more complete burn of the fuel. Blocking this would have no affect on the mileage because the system is completely after the combustion process.



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All I know, is the best I've ever seen before filling up is 190. I thought it was sucking fumes, but I only put in 4 gallons. I think I was getting about 45 MPG.

Recently, with Satos and a PCIII, I'm not getting that good. It could also be that I'm getting more comfortable pushing the bike harder and have found that higher revs are more fun to ride in.

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.... plus I always run Shell Ultra which I know someone will say is a waste because the bike only needs regular but say what you will, my bike runs better on premium......
I run premium in everything I own that needs gas. Better MPG better Power.

Say what you will on this but here is a tid bit for you; on the Ridgelineownersclub.com the Man/engineer who actually designed and built the Ridgeline stated by running premium fuel you get a 10hp increase, and that he runs premium in all his cars as well, to include his Ridgeline.

Also, on Honda cars they are done with the break in period after five thousand miles but most people donít start to report good gas mileage until the 20 thousand mark. This could be the same deal on Honda motorcycles, different mileages of course.

First tank on the 9er was an average of 35mpg came filled up when I bought it so I have no clue what was put in it. [email protected] to fill up with premium and so far it looks like I am going to be in the 40s. Completely stock!!!

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[QUOTE=07919Dave;399299] on the Ridgelineownersclub.com the Man/engineer who actually designed and built the Ridgeline stated by running premium fuel you get a 10hp increase, and that he runs premium in all his cars as well, to include his Ridgeline.
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In order to enjoy this increase in power, the ignition system must be able to take advantage of the higher octane-rated fuel, by igniting microseconds differently than possible with lower octane-rated fuel. If the ignition system is not that advanced, there is no advantage to using higher octane fuel.

The only other time higher octane fuel "runs better" is if there is premature ignition of lower octane fuel due to hot-spots/high compression.

How sophisticated the 919 ignition system is or is not, I don't know. MANY cars/trucks have ignition systems that are sophisticated enough to take advantage of higher octane-rated fuels.

It's science, not "feel" or "belief". There are no more BTU's in a gallon of 93 Octane than in a gallon of 87 Octane. It's all about timing and/or avoidance of premature detonation.

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I had to advance the timing on my Speed Triple when I switched to a different exhaust and started using Premium fuel. Are you not able to advance timing using the PC3?



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First tank on the 9er was an average of 35mpg came filled up when I bought it so I have no clue what was put in it. [email protected] to fill up with premium and so far it looks like I am going to be in the 40s. Completely stock!!!
The aftermarket stuff like the PCIII or an exhaust system won't increase your mileage. 40's is about right, I usually get between 40-44mpg but if I'm playing the hooligan alot it drops to 36-38.

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I would like anyone willing to fill their bike and run it right out of gas. Post your the number of miles you rode and sprocket combo you are running. Some of the numbers seem unreal to me. 45 miles to the gallon means that you can go 225 miles (360 kms.) to a tank. I am impressed with getting 300 kms but 360? Even leaving out my speedo error I would only get 37.5miles/gal. Elevation does also play a factor but not sure how much. I am at about 3500 ft. and I know I did got better mileage closer to sea level.
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I might just do that, I'm curious what my ultimate range is...first I need to locate a suitable fuel container to hold some extra for when it runs out!

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oy... not the fuel debate again.... runnin premium in the 919 is pointless... the lack of knock sensors and thus the inability for the ecu to adjust timing advance on the fly will actually net you LESS hp at the rear due to the fact premium is harder to burn. the reason that guys ridgeline will make more power is that almost all modern cars have knock sensors and the ability to adjust for the fuel grade put in them.

The ONLY reason to run middle or premium in your 919 is if your running in high ambient temperatures ... IE 100*F+ to prevent detonation.

I run regular in my 919 because 1. thats all it needs 2. it burns better so there is MUCH less stink. But hey to each his own.

Now if we were talking some oxygenated race fuels then you would notice some rwhp increases.

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I might just do that, I'm curious what my ultimate range is...first I need to locate a suitable fuel container to hold some extra for when it runs out!
I am going to do it as well and post my results. I am going to try to ride without flogging it to see how far I can actually go. I would like some one at a lower elevation to try as well, just to see if there is a difference.
Shadow i am guess being in Colarado that you are at high elevation like I am. I have found that a plastic pop bottle works for a small gas can in a pinch. Not legal but will get you that extra few miles.

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id also like to do it... its just a mater of safely bringing excess fuel along for the ride.

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You don't need to adjust the odometer reading at all for speedometer error. The SPEEDometer is off, not the odometer. Unless you are using a speedo-healer of some sort, your odometer is just fine. Don't believe me? Get your GPS out and verify it. Mine is super close, less than 0.1 mile in 100 miles - and the GPS error is greater than that, so it might have been more accurate than the GPS.

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You don't need to adjust the odometer reading at all for speedometer error. The SPEEDometer is off, not the odometer. Unless you are using a speedo-healer of some sort, your odometer is just fine. Don't believe me? Get your GPS out and verify it. Mine is super close, less than 0.1 mile in 100 miles - and the GPS error is greater than that, so it might have been more accurate than the GPS.
he speaks the truth.... with stock gearing i took my 919 on a 120ish mi ride... speedo was 5mph over at 60.... aka going 60 = 55mph... but the odo was only off by about 1.8-2% vs the 9ish% the speedo was off.

Now if you regear then u got odo probs.

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Seen 300kms out of mine, and 50mpg is not that unusal if on a reasonable tour. Mind you our speed limit is only 100kmph (60mph) so that's running around 110kms per.

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he speaks the truth.... with stock gearing i took my 919 on a 120ish mi ride... speedo was 5mph over at 60.... aka going 60 = 55mph... but the odo was only off by about 1.8-2% vs the 9ish% the speedo was off.

Now if you regear then u got odo probs.
So with a 17 tooth you would see less miles then you actually go?

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So with a 17 tooth you would see less miles then you actually go?
yup... if your odo is like mine in its stock form.... it reads 2% high. so if you go up one tooth in the front which will lower all your readings by 6.25% your odo will be off by ~4% on the low side.

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I have switched to the 17 tooth about 8 months ago, and because of my getting way more used to the bike, and not seeing the deputies around, my milage has gone down, I have gotten a best of 150 miles before the light came on, now I get like 130 miles for the light. I am sure it is (bad) driving habits. But I am having FUN so I don't care!

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I have switched to the 17 tooth about 8 months ago, and because of my getting way more used to the bike, and not seeing the deputies around, my milage has gone down, I have gotten a best of 150 miles before the light came on, now I get like 130 miles for the light. I am sure it is (bad) driving habits. But I am having FUN so I don't care!
ya i went the same route... took a coupla monts for me to get used to the bike... then since i got my pilot road 2's its been game on.... pair that with a smaller 15tooth front... and we have a low milage machine haha.

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Agree that the odo reading is not affected by speedometer being off. Here's another thread discussing the capacity of the tank:

https://wristtwisters.com/naked-bikes...-capacity.html

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