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owning a new 06 vmax last year putting 10.000 miles on the bike before i hit a back of a truck...well got to know a bunch of max riders on there forum, where meeting in N.Y memorial day weekend...probably 15 gen 1 vmax and me with the 919...last year i was at a chopper meet on my vmax...im always the only one...well im sure ill be giving some of the max riders a go during the weekend ride...what do you guys thing can the 919 hold its own or will the 919 be the stronger of the two...i havent went through the gears yet on my 919 so i cant say yet what i think...wont be going from a dead stop probably a rollon

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I dunno.... Seems most the 919 riders on this site can beat Mat Mladin on his Superbike into Turn 1 on their 919's so I doubt a V-Max will be able to stand up to the almighty 919 either

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I dunno.... Seems most the 919 riders on this site can beat Mat Mladin on his Superbike into Turn 1 on their 919's so I doubt a V-Max will be able to stand up to the almighty 919 either
I've never ridden a Vmax before so I have no idea, but that's funny right there.

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Coincidently I ran into a newer Vmax on my way to work yesterday. I was riding the 9r and was hoping to try and get him to play. I got a drink and went on, as he was filling up, I was about late to work anyway. Kind of a shame. I would have liked to have seen what the 'ol 9r had for the Vmax, but I'm guessing in a straight line the Vmax would have been faster once that motor got wound up.

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Do I need dyno charts to make that assumption?

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stock max is 110 to 115 to the rear wheel weights about 635 pounds..i see 919 with average street riders getting 11.1...11.2 1/4 mile i ran those number on a 1150 e suzuki so i know thats pretty quick...dont think on average the max runs that at the track...never seen a max at the track beat that time

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Straigh line......not a chance. The v-max has a ton of torque. You might as well try to out run a Boss Hoss!

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Straigh line......not a chance. The v-max has a ton of torque. You might as well try to out run a Boss Hoss!
not think torque wins races going from first gear on max has about 80 tq it thinking the 919 revs faster...ill have results soon enough..9er on the highway when i roll it on seems to get to 100 faster...next ride ill get close to the red zone in a few gears ill have a better idea......hell if it was about tq harley would be king

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Regardless of who wins, I bet its a good time. Riding always is.

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not think torque wins races going from first gear on max has about 80 tq it thinking the 919 revs faster...ill have results soon enough..9er on the highway when i roll it on seems to get to 100 faster...next ride ill get close to the red zone in a few gears ill have a better idea......hell if it was about tq harley would be king
Uh, hate to burst your bubble, but a properly running max will kill our R's in accelaration--torque does matter... Top speed might be a different issue, and they handle like dogs. But they sure like to go straight. Roll-ons are what they're about. And most Max riders I know practice leaving hard--'cause it's really all they can do...

The new max is an entirely different animal. They are wicked-fooking fast in a straight line, and they handle pretty darn decent for having such a long wheelbase...

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Regardless of who wins, I bet its a good time. Riding always is.
your right about that... but a win and i can bust there balls forever...thats a big plus lol

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Back page chart of an old MotorCyclist says:

11:18 @120.7 for the niner

11.30 @119.84 for the old max in the quarter.

My guess is, if you can keep him within a tire at the hole shot, he'll freak.

And then leave him for dead in the twisties.

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good info lemon i figured it would be close

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I dunno.... Seems most the 919 riders on this site can beat Mat Mladin on his Superbike into Turn 1 on their 919's so I doubt a V-Max will be able to stand up to the almighty 919 either
I know I can beat this guy.



Never been on a V-Max before. I imagine you could at least get better lean angle in the turns.

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Well. They are basically what and what on horsepower (max has a small advantage) 919 is 100 pounds lighter. Vmax isn't as likely to wheelie = easier to launch.

I say it's down to rider.



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Uh, hate to burst your bubble, but a properly running max will kill our R's in accelaration--torque does matter... Top speed might be a different issue, and they handle like dogs. But they sure like to go straight. Roll-ons are what they're about. And most Max riders I know practice leaving hard--'cause it's really all they can do...

The new max is an entirely different animal. They are wicked-fooking fast in a straight line, and they handle pretty darn decent for having such a long wheelbase...
no bubble bursting here .. i owned two vmax through the years one in 85 and a 06.. max owners look down on everything else and they should the bike earned its due...i know how to ban gears pretty good...they look down on honda,s lol there day is comming,,,im doing it for you guys

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I always wondered how do these guys make tight U turns??

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Never been on a V-Max before. I imagine you could at least get better lean angle in the turns.

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I always wondered how do these guys make tight U turns??
Let it fall on one side spin it on the engine case pick it up start riding again



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Never been on a V-Max before. I imagine you could at least get better lean angle in the turns.

That can't possibly be comfortable nor safe ... WTF are these guys smoking


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That's gotta be photochopped?

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I dunno.... Seems most the 919 riders on this site can beat Mat Mladin on his Superbike into Turn 1 on their 919's so I doubt a V-Max will be able to stand up to the almighty 919 either
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That's gotta be photochopped?
no its real..im a member of a chopper fourm that pic been around for a while and the bike been seen at shows with girls standing on the seat holding the bars...not that i want to burst your bubble

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nah that's the bmw's in the boxer cup

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Went to a buddy's house this evening who has a 919 and a V65 Magna and asked him which one he thought was quicker.....he didn't have an answer b/c he thought they were pretty darn close.

I guess it's also tough to tell because they both deliver power so differently but I can tell you this much.....I rode the V65 and was quite impressed with the rush of power......we all know that thing was king homey sh*t back in the day but the power felt pretty relevant to me here and now.....That thing friggin ripped!!!!! (I might buy it!)

I think it would be an interesting holeshot.....and roll ons would vary depending on when and where you whacked it open.

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Went to a buddy's house this evening who has a 919 and a V65 Magna and asked him which one he thought was quicker.....he didn't have an answer b/c he thought they were pretty darn close.

I guess it's also tough to tell because they both deliver power so differently but I can tell you this much.....I rode the V65 and was quite impressed with the rush of power......we all know that thing was king homey sh*t back in the day but the power felt pretty relevant to me here and now.....That thing friggin ripped!!!!! (I might buy it!)

I think it would be an interesting holeshot.....and roll ons would vary depending on when and where you whacked it open.

i remember the v65 two of my buddys had one,,,there 105 to the rear wheel...most who took theres to the drags ran high 11,s low 12,s...my 1150 would give them a pretty good beating that was rated 100 hp to rear wheel....they do feel scary fast think its the long front end and tall seat hight...good luck if you buy it...dont see to many around...i havent seen one in many years

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your right about that... but a win and i can bust there balls forever...thats a big plus lol
I love my 9er, but, I would bet money against you winning against a V-Max. They are very quick until they have to turn.

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My buddy bought a 1985 V65 saber last year and loves it. When ever we go riding he has no trouble keeping up with me. In a drag race I'll take him off the line but he usually hangs in there about four or five bike lengths behind me. They must have been pretty popular back in the day because ever time we end up at the local bike hang out he always has people coming up to him asking about the bike and how they use to have one or there buddy had one etc, etc.

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My 9er once beat a Delorean to 88 mph and propelled me into the 50's. I kicked all of those cars' arses while I was back there, too.

Mostly I'm just jealous of letting go of a bit of speed steam. Feels like a police state here, ALWAYS on the lookout for LEO.

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had a v65 for a year probably only seen one in the past 20 years id say there rare.........v65rider not to many of you guys around

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I got a chance to ride a V65 last year. I was really impressed with the bike. It had excellent power and comfort. The handling wasn't great but it was a very impressive bike for it's age. It even had some nice touches like a gear position indicator that my 919 doesn't have.

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The V65 was my first street bike. It would go faster in 5th gear than 6th...

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The V65 was my first street bike. It would go faster in 5th gear than 6th...
it was probably all the wind drag...



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it was probably all the wind drag...
Why don't you go back to racing your 919 against 600's and let the adults talk...

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Why don't you go back to racing your 919 against 600's and let the adults talk...
Then if it wasn't the air resistance then maybe it was dragging your ego that slowed it down



And I saw a picture of you. You qualify for the title adult how?

I think your just angry cause they made the sidewalk too close to your butt



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The V65 was my first street bike. It would go faster in 5th gear than 6th...
The 1000 Interceptor (VF1000F) had the same issue, unless you carefully shifted at exactly the right RPM to catch the HP/Torque curve. Shifting into top gear at redline would slow you down (5-spd, though).

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The 1000 Interceptor (VF1000F) had the same issue, unless you carefully shifted at exactly the right RPM to catch the HP/Torque curve. Shifting into top gear at redline would slow you down (5-spd, though).
Many bikes are geared to pull a MPH figure that is much higher than what they can actually pull. That is why they attain a better top speed when a tooth or two are added to the rear sprocket. My old TL1000R, if I remember correctly, was geared for 200+ MPH. It could never pull that, of course, and was much happier when it was re-geared two-teeth up in the back.

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Then if it wasn't the air resistance then maybe it was dragging your ego that slowed it down



And I saw a picture of you. You qualify for the title adult how?

I think your just angry cause they made the sidewalk too close to your butt

This is an ego driven sport. The difference is some of us deserve to have one...

You can call it anything you want, but some of us really do know and understand these bikes better than the vast majority of riders. From the simplest things like knowing how reasonably lower tire pressure offer more grip & compliance versus the guys that think they have to use the max pressure rated on the tire to be "safe" all the way up to what type of fork valving and oil height is required for certain race tracks and why. Yes, there just might be someone that does know more than Joe Schmoe from Florida who happened to find his way to the internet.

Some of us do the behind the scenes testing on parts before the general public even knows those parts exist. Some of us write the magazine articles that many riders use to form opinions on products because they lack the experience to discern the differences themselves. Some of us are or have been employed by professional road racing teams. Some of us get to ride the newest hottest bikes at the press intro's and some of us have built a reputation on backing up our over-inflated ego's with eyes wide open results in front of everybody at the racetrack under controlled conditions. We do it with no excuses instead of hiding behind a keyboard doing nothing, but talkin $#!* on the internet and wadding up our streetbikes on a simple daily commute.

You can talk all the crap you want Barton boy as I find it mildly amusing providing you keep it civil, but the bottom line is I am one of those people that knows what he is talking about and I have the facts, experience & credentials to back it all up.

I make my living by setting up the suspension on sportbikes, testing parts & instructing track riders. We're the guys that the top club & many pro racers come to when they need help. Now if that doesn't give me some credible input on these forums then maybe you can tell me what you do that adds so much weight to what you post...

Barring that, what I have learned on these forums over the last 10 years is that most posters that are seriously seeking answers would rather have them from an egotistic guy that really does know the truth rather than from a smartass that makes up his own answers based conjecture.

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