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oil volume question?

Last oil change I actually measured how much oil came out. About 3 liters drains out, but 3.5+ goes in to fill. Where's that other half liter gone? I don't think that much gets trapped in the filter does it?

I this a sign that the engine is starting to use oil or do even healthy engines use a certain amount?

I drain on a warm engine on the side stand for about 15 mins. nothing but a drop left here and there before I slap on a soaked filter, plug her up and fill to the middle of the sight window while on a track stand. Am I just not letting it drain long enough?

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I always check my oil level immediately before draining it. I try to check at other times but always right before an oil change. If it is using any, you'll know it.

But some is in the filter for sure. And using a little is no cause for alarm. Even a quart between oil changes while not great is nothing to get worked up about.

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Last oil change I actually measured how much oil came out. About 3 liters drains out, but 3.5+ goes in to fill. Where's that other half liter gone? I don't think that much gets trapped in the filter does it?

I this a sign that the engine is starting to use oil or do even healthy engines use a certain amount?

I drain on a warm engine on the side stand for about 15 mins. nothing but a drop left here and there before I slap on a soaked filter, plug her up and fill to the middle of the sight window while on a track stand. Am I just not letting it drain long enough?
You are doing track days, right ? Mine uses oil at track days, although I did not notice this until I had done a few and logged lots of track miles. Also, like the chap that just replied to you said, the filter will hold some oil too, but not even 250 ml can be there. Your oil loss is some or all of consumption, filter absorbtion, less than fully drained. Relax, all is OK. BUT you are wise to know what your oil level is showing before you drain it, that way you know how much has been consumed. You do check it periodically, right ? Or, have you been a bad boy like I was, who found the level seemed never to change so stopped checking regularly until I looked after 4 or 5 track days and noticed a big drop.

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I've had the bike for 6 months, first oil change was pretty routine. Second was after a trackday and that's when I noticed there seemed to be a "loss". I only just recently got a paddock stand so honestly with just a sidestand before, checking the oil level was a bit of a case of outta-sight-outta-mind.

...I mean, c'mon it's a honda, who checks the oil level?

I guess i'll be keeping a closer eye on that now. Thanks!

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I've had the bike for 6 months, first oil change was pretty routine. Second was after a trackday and that's when I noticed there seemed to be a "loss". I only just recently got a paddock stand so honestly with just a sidestand before, checking the oil level was a bit of a case of outta-sight-outta-mind.

...I mean, c'mon it's a honda, who checks the oil level?

I guess i'll be keeping a closer eye on that now. Thanks!

You can't properly check the oil with a rear race stand or factory centrestand. The angle is enough to alter the reading.
The only way is on the wheels, bike balanced.
Ahh you say, do I do that myself ? When I'm down on my knees looking at the oil window, that's on the opposite side of the lean stand ? What I do is pull the bike over off the lean stand and do the best I can, or ask my spouse to look while I balance the bike.

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From my experience you should definitely check the oil level by straddling the bike with both tires on the ground. While standing there use a hand mirror to look at the sight window.
If you check the oil level with the bike on a rear stand you will end up over-filled.

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You can't properly check the oil with a rear race stand or factory centrestand. The angle is enough to alter the reading.
The only way is on the wheels, bike balanced.
I agree 100% with this. On it's wheels is best.
If you are not comfortable with the 'on-ya-knees' balancing act, get a cheap wall mirror and prop it up on the garage floor against a workbench or similar and sit on the bike to get it level - use the mirror to sight the level.

The filter does not hold much - pretty sure the shop manual only has a 100ml difference for oil volume between a oil/filter change and a oil only change. But then they would also allow for the oil 'wetting' the filter.

Also there is no need to fill a fresh filter with oil before fitting - the bike will do this in a matter of seconds.

Now you left out the most important part of your post - what oil to use ......

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I agree 100% with this. On it's wheels is best.
If you are not comfortable with the 'on-ya-knees' balancing act, get a cheap wall mirror and prop it up on the garage floor against a workbench or similar and sit on the bike to get it level - use the mirror to sight the level.

The filter does not hold much - pretty sure the shop manual only has a 100ml difference for oil volume between a oil/filter change and a oil only change. But then they would also allow for the oil 'wetting' the filter.

Also there is no need to fill a fresh filter with oil before fitting - the bike will do this in a matter of seconds.

Now you left out the most important part of your post - what oil to use ......

Not again!:-)

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I've been amazed how much oil a filter can hold. Fill up a new filter with oil, come back after a minute and see how much has been absorbed into the filter. Quite a bit.

I don't prefill the 9er filter since it goes on horizontal, but the ones that go on vertical I always do.

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I have found when changing the oil, there is still quite a bit in there. With the plug still out, lean the bike far over to right side and back. It seems you can do this 3-4 times and still get more oil out.

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I have found when changing the oil, there is still quite a bit in there. With the plug still out, lean the bike far over to right side and back. It seems you can do this 3-4 times and still get more oil out.
Yep. I always do that too. Makes me want to pick it up and shake it.

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Yep. I always do that too. Makes me want to pick it up and shake it.
Never thought of picking it up and shaking it. I will next time. Let's me eats me spinish first.

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