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post #1 of 48 Old 05-15-2012, 02:29 PM Thread Starter
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Oil filter question

Hi guys. I'm about to do an oil change on my 919 and have been reading old threads on the topic.

It seems some of you recommend changing the filter on every second oil change.

1) What is the procedure for re-using a filter? Once I drain the old oil should I take the old filter off, drain the filter, and then re-attach? Or can I just leave the filter on and drain the oil?

2) If I plan to switch to synthetic oil instead of regular should I change the filter or can I leave the old one on?

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post #2 of 48 Old 05-15-2012, 03:02 PM
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Leave filter, switch oil. No harm done.

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You can get away with every other oil change if you're swapping oil relatively early. (3000-4000miles) Honda's OCI in the manual says 8,000 but that's just ridiculous.

If you're switching to synthetic don't be a cheapo and use the same filter (you did just spend considerably more on syn...). As for re-using, just drop the oil and refill. While you're at it, it wouldn't help getting an extended filter if you're doing every other OCI. (Bosch 3323, Mobil M-110)

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... it wouldn't help getting an extended filter if you're doing every other OCI. (Bosch 3323, Mobil M-110)
Sorry, I'm puzzled. Is this what you meant to say?

Or did you mean "it wouldn't hurt"?

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Sorry, I'm puzzled. Is this what you meant to say?

Or did you mean "it wouldn't hurt"?
I'm sure he meant it wouldn't hurt.

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^ Correct! You want the extended filter for double duty

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I say if your changing your oil, change the freekin filter too! Don't be a cheap a$$, the oil is the life of your engine. Is it really worth saving $8 or so?

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I say if your changing your oil, change the freekin filter too! Don't be a cheap a$$, the oil is the life of your engine. Is it really worth saving $8 or so?
the thing is... paper element oil filters... actually filter BETTER with age hence the tendency to change a filter out every other time.

I personally do mine every other oil change (oil changes roughly 3.5k mile intervals) and use HiFlo Filtro HF204 filters.

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http://www.calsci.com/motorcycleinfo/FilterXRef.html


You can use this to x-reference filters. That way u can pick up filters at the local auto parts place, rather then the pricey oem kit.

The 919 is a #5 on the chart.

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Motorcycle Oil Filter Cross Reference


You can use this to x-reference filters. That way u can pick up filters at the local auto parts place, rather then the pricey oem kit.

The 919 is a #5 on the chart.

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Ah christ the oil filter question............ so much debate for such a low value throw-away part. What's to research? Honda will sell you a factory approved filter for $10 or less - spin the old one off - spin a new one on. Nobodys engine has ever failed due to replacing with a factory filter every oil change.

In fact if you have purchased a used bike what the previous owner did will probably have more effect on the life of your engine.

Internet evidence is questionable at the best of time. My favourite is the ' go out and thrash the shit out of you new engine as it will last longer .... and change the filter after 20 miles because the engine is full of machining swarf. Oh and use sand to scrub in new tyres or sandpaper or brake cleaner, and synthetic oil will make your clutch slip, and cutting big holes in your airbox will make the bike faster...........

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dont forget cutting holes in the frame to lighten the bike, or drilling holes into the ECU to mount that super cool license plate mount....

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Motorcycle Oil Filter Cross Reference


You can use this to x-reference filters. That way u can pick up filters at the local auto parts place, rather then the pricey oem kit.

The 919 is a #5 on the chart.

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BUMP! this link needs to be added to the 919 helpful topics!

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BUMP! this link needs to be added to the 919 helpful topics!
Added. Good suggestion.

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Just an fyi, the Bosch 3323 filter does NOT fit (3.5 inches). It is slightly longer than the SuperTech ST7317 filter which does fit (3.25 inches).

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Another tip, my 900rr headers do not allow me to run the 3"+ filters. It does clear but you will need to remove the header to remove and install the larger filters.

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Just an fyi, the Bosch 3323 filter does NOT fit (3.5 inches). It is slightly longer than the SuperTech ST7317 filter which does fit (3.25 inches).
^^ That's what I got on right now. They have the shorter 3300 but yes in fact the 3323 does fit

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And the oil filter anomalies continue ....

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Another tip, my 900rr headers do not allow me to run the 3"+ filters. It does clear but you will need to remove the header to remove and install the larger filters.
What year headers do you have? My 900RR headers have a nice big gap right where the oil filter is. I easily run a 3.5" filter. I think mine is a '98 or '99.
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I think mine are 2 bros racing 900rr headers, they have a square stacked 4-1 collector. Let me go grab a pic.

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I think mine are 2 bros racing 900rr headers, they have a square stacked 4-1 collector. Let me go grab a pic.
Makes sense now.

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What year headers do you have? My 900RR headers have a nice big gap right where the oil filter is. I easily run a 3.5" filter. I think mine is a '98 or '99.
Same, I've run an extended filter before this last oil change. (had 900rr headers at the time).

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^^ That's what I got on right now. They have the shorter 3300 but yes in fact the 3323 does fit
Say what?! You mind measuring your 3323? I can fit a 3.25 inch filter no problem. The 3323 filter I got measured out at 3.5 inches and I couldn't get it to fit. My headers are wrapped but I doubt the filter would of fit anyways being 3.5 inches long. Should be interesting if your 3323 filter measures up shorter than the one I have.

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Here ya go, it's tight but fits. It's the wrapping I'm sure
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oh damn, that's hella tight! lol.

Would you mind measuring it up for me please? My bosch 3323 filter comes out at 3.5 inches (not the 3.25 as stated) and doesn't fit due to the wrapped headers. The SuperTech ST7317 is indeed 3.25 inches and fits with the wrapped headers.

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Good to know, thanks Andrew! I'll have to switch to another brand later so I can go back to the 3.25 inch filter.

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Drain, extended filter, and dump the whole gallon of Rotella/Delvac in. Oil level hits just above the midway line each time. The 3323 just makes changes a no brainer, nothing wrong with the 3300 or Honda.

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I agree Andrew. Was forced to use a different filter since Walmart doesn't carry supertech anymore. I didn't change my filter last year when I changed the oil. Needed to change it this time around and had to find something new. Will try the purolator one next oil change if it measures up to 3.25 inches.

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I run the Bosch 3320 it's 3.125" long

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Drain, extended filter, and dump the whole gallon of Rotella/Delvac in. Oil level hits just above the midway line each time. The 3323 just makes changes a no brainer, nothing wrong with the 3300 or Honda.
Reviving an old thread but hey at least I am searching

So I can dump the entire 1 gallon of any oil when doing a fresh oil+filter change? Not worry about my air box getting filled with oil?

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So I can dump the entire 1 gallon of any oil when doing a fresh oil+filter change? Not worry about my air box getting filled with oil?
No, don't over fill or the engine will froth the oil. This will decrease its lubricating properties. The engine may or may not notice, though; my bike had 6 quarts plus in it when I got it and it doesn't seem to have affected it. However, it's not a good habit to get into (some engines will literally explode if you overfill) so I'd advise you not to dump it all in blindly.

As filters can vary in capacity, here's what I do - put three and a half to three and a quarter quarts in, then check the sight glass. Then add more as needed by the glass; usually it's not much more than three and three quarters which makes sense as the factory manual says "approximately 3.8 US quarts".

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I use the extended bosch filter and the full 4 quarts is just under the upper line... it does make it easier, but make sure you're using an extended filter, and I would still check towards the end to keep from overfilling it.

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Ah ok I see, so its just with the extended filters. Cool thanks.

The Bosch 3323 is an extended filter right?

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^That's what I normally use. It just clears the header when installing. To the point where a few layers of header wrap makes it so it won't fit (PVster tried and it didn't go in...)

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Thanks for the responses folks, that helps a lot. Was just trying to "cheat" to avoid viewing the site glass & measuring But I guess I will just suck it up & do it the non-cheat way.

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....to avoid viewing the site glass....
More sight glass anxiety? Try this:

Stand on the right-hand side of the bike [throttle side for those of you in the Northern Hemisphere (dr; ees joke)] facing the rear of the bike with your feet about shoulder-width apart, approx in a line with the radiator.

If you put your right leg over close to the bike, you can even use it to ensure the bike doesn't come towards you too far.

Drape your right arm over the tank and, pulling with your right hand, rock the bike towards you, and bend down and inspect the sight glass. Be careful to keep your head away from the rh footpeg.

Try and sense with your built-in biker balance when the bike is at its most vertical point.

Check the oil.

Repeat as often as necessary, if you are adding oil to the engine.

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