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What is the best oil for the 919? Please tell me what you use and why (weight and viscosity).

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Oil threads.......

Gotta be the most common question asked on any vehicle forum.....LOL

It's like a religion....

I just got done using Rotella....... was unhappy. After only 1700 miles shifting got notchy......

I am a Valvoline man...... use nothing but in my GTO and Silverado..... So I found a local place that carries Valvoline 4-stroke motorcycle specific oil, and I am now using that, and I expect better results....

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Wall Mart Special for me its cheap and cheerful and green !

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he asked whats the best oil, if you can afford it REPSOL FULL SYNTHETICand she will shift like butter!!

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What is the best oil for the 919? Please tell me what you use and why (weight and viscosity).
Welcome to the forum. I guess you did not see the recently posted thread about oil? This is one of very many on this board and every other across the net. Good luck on your research, it will be exhaustive. Ride safe and enjoy.

https://www.wristtwisters.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=12087

Here are 79 more threads if you want to sift through them.

https://www.wristtwisters.com/forum/s...earchquery=oil

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he asked whats the best oil, if you can afford it REPSOL FULL SYNTHETICand she will shift like butter!!
Funny you mentioned Repsol. I used the Repsol blend and My shifts are pretty chitty if I dare say. Is the full syn that much of a difference? At first it was great and seemed to have lost some of the mid RPM buzz. but now it don't shift for crap and just seems to not run as well???

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Funny you mentioned Repsol. I used the Repsol blend and My shifts are pretty chitty if I dare say. Is the full syn that much of a difference? At first it was great and seemed to have lost some of the mid RPM buzz. but now it don't shift for crap and just seems to not run as well???
Must bee cause it made a big difference when i had the 9'er! went from the normal chitty shifts to butter!!

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Must bee cause it made a big difference when i had the 9'er! went from the normal chitty shifts to butter!!
I don't know? I was really hoping for a huge difference. Perhaps I should try the supersport instead of the sintetico blend? I'm not going to knock anything till I've had more time on it, but my first impression is not so good. I can feel the clutch slipping... its like a power serge that comes on and off under a load.

Could be that I am having issues with the bike also??? So we will see what happens.

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How many miles between changes? That might make a difference. I waited the full 4,000 miles between 4k and 8k. Towards the end of that cycle, my shifting was very rough. New oil, better shifting.

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How many miles between changes? That might make a difference. I waited the full 4,000 miles between 4k and 8k. Towards the end of that cycle, my shifting was very rough. New oil, better shifting.
I had my 600 mile done about 6 weeks ago. Now with 3k on it I wanted to change it out again and its just not the same?

Yes, i've been riding it alot!!! Unemployed at the moment so not much else to do... Lucky me on the riding, not so lucky me on the no income!!!

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Hmmm... So you did change it at 3k?

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Hmmm... So you did change it at 3k?
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Hmmm, again. That is weird. Not trying to sound like a smart butt, but did you put motorcycle oil in her (just trying to eliminate the obvious)? Those auto additives can wreak havoc on our gears.

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I hope so... Bought it at the local Stealership???

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Synthetic lubricant oil designed to meet the needs of the most advanced 4-stroke motorcycle engines. Suitable for high and medium cylinder capacities. Provides maximum protection for the engine and sufficient friction for fittings bathed in oil.


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I really think my clutch is slipping... the way it is surging under a heavy load and high RPM is kind of odd.

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Hmmm, again. That is weird. Not trying to sound like a smart butt, but did you put motorcycle oil in her (just trying to eliminate the obvious)? Those auto additives can wreak havoc on our gears.



This is a long report but i found it very interesting.. Please do read.... I read the whole thing and now use nothing but Synthetics maybe this will set a few things straight!!!!


http://www.xs11.com/stories/mcnoil94.htm

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What is the best oil for the 919? Please tell me what you use and why (weight and viscosity).
The only oil I've run in every engine in every wheeled vehicle I have owned / still own for the last 30 years is Castrol GTX. No "trick" synthetics, weird additives, or anything else. In that 30 years and over 400,000 miles I have never had a lubrication related failure despite irregular change intervals (Generally when I can't remember when I last changed it, I change it. I have a very long memory.) My clutches rarely wear out or slip in less than 100,000 miles, the transmissions always shift very nicely, and from the first start after a change to the last the engines always sound and act the same. And, no, I don't baby them, but don't beat on them either.

In my '02 919 with 57,000 miles and rapidly counting, I use 10W-40 as the manual recommends, and it has yet to use more than 1/4 pint of oil between changes. Good old Honda, and Castrol.

One proviso: do not go lighter than 10W-40 or so, as these are "energy saving" oils with friction modifiers that will REALLY modify the friction of the clutch, and can also cause the starter clutch to slip.

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You're kidding; that's what I've been using for my cages for over 20 years.

But for a sportbike? Man, I can save a bunch on oil changes.

Would 20W-50 help?

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You're kidding; that's what I've been using for my cages for over 20 years.

But for a sportbike? Man, I can save a bunch on oil changes.

Would 20W-50 help?
Help what? Unless you already have issues with the engine, or intend to race (oh yeah, or track days!) go with the recommended viscosity range. For the track, it may be wise to go with a heavier oil (due to more heat and stress) and follow the rule of thumb that if it's been on the track, change the oil and filter right afterward.

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... and follow the rule of thumb that if it's been on the track, change the oil and filter right afterward.

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Well, I've got more than enough Mobil 1 to change it again. Guess, I'll go get a filter and give it a try.

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GTX FTW! I've used GTX in pretty much everything I've ever put oil in for (not as long as robtharalson maybe) 13 years now... I'm 28, so I'm still working on the lifetime resume. I was actually going to ask what to put in the 919 this weekend, should I use the 'ol standby Castrol GTX, or go with the Manual recommend HONDALUBE... :-) I was thinking about synthetic, but I've heard not to switch to syn. to soon, as it can cause all kinds of weirdness. Anyway, Be safe!

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Rotella-T 15W-40 and you may quote me on that sir.

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REPSOL FULL SYNTHETIC 10-40 is all I have ever used. Only other oil that has seen the inside of my crankcase was the stuff Honda put in when the machine was built.
Smooth Shifts and quick revs

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Shell VSX (full synthetic) (as I could get it for a really great price)

I ran that in my:
TRX850 for 5 years/85,000Km's.
XR250 for 4 years and lotsa K's (was changed after every weekend of riding maybe 10,000K')
4 years in my 900 Hornet and 24,000 kms

In my 2 stroke race bike I ran Shell gearbox oil, and premix oil (except for the time I got some ELF oil for $17 a litre)

I run Shell helix in my Diesel ute.

I have a mate that ran Motul 5100 full synthetic on his superduke and had some serious scoring on one of the cams and had to get a top end rebuild and reground cams within 12 months of buying the thing 2nd hand. (Not happy as KTM were not too supportive and he had to pay for it himself as was weeks outside of warranty)


I reckon its hard to get a bad oil. some may make changes smoother, but this is trial and error. My advice is to get on one brand and change it often. There is not a lot of oil in bikes that rev a bit more than a car. I also work on the principle that the price of a filter and oil every 6000k's/3000ks respectively is much cheaper than a rebuild.

Now that I have to pay retail prices for oil again*, I may consider other oils, but it would want to be a special price to tempt me from Shell.

*I do not and never have worked for Shell.

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This is a long report but i found it very interesting.. Please do read.... I read the whole thing and now use nothing but Synthetics maybe this will set a few things straight!!!!


http://www.xs11.com/stories/mcnoil94.htm
Well, that's good enough for me. I run Mobil1 in my truck so may as well try something new in the bike as well. Been runnin good ol GN4 for the past 17 years. Tried HP4 this last change but the sticky shifting didn't improve.

I think the more important question people should be asking is "what filter do you use?" I have been using the OEM's from the dealer but there is a huge variance in filter quality. I want to give Purolator PL14612 a try. Here is an interesting article about filters if anyone is interested.

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I think the more important question people should be asking is "what filter do you use?" I get the OEM's from the dealer but there is a huge variance in filter quality. I wouldn't mind knowing if there is a better option.
You change your filter? If its not plugged what the point?

LOL... Just kidding!

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I'm using the K&N oil filter that has a hex removal on the front for easy change. As far as oil goes i have only used HP4 10w-40; however when i got the bike it had shell synthetic with a fairly inexpensive oil filter and was no where near as smooth as my HP4 oil. Even at 4,500 miles the HP4 was much better.

A friend was putting conventional Suzuki oil in his SV650(2.000 miles at the time). Then when he changed his oil at 5,500 i got him to use GN4(or whatever honda's black bottle with red cap it). He said the shifting became much smoother and that he loved the honda oil in his engine. He is also using K&N filters.

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Red Line 10-40 pure synthetic with a PureOne filter.

Excellent clutch feel and outstanding shifting are among my many reasons.

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I have been using Lucas Oil full synthetic 20 w 50 all summer. Doesn't seem to be a whole lot different than the honda oil but I get a great deal on Lucas stuff.

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UPDATE:

I took some time yesterday (like i didn't have it, being unemployed and all) and check the oil level, chain, clutch, throttle and such.

Well everything is ok on the Oil, the clutch needed adjusted as well as the slop in the throttle. But the most disturbing thing was the Chain? How can a chain stretch Sooooo much? I just adjusted it when I did the oil change 150 miles ago??? I don't have to much more adjustment on that piece of crap! Well I cleaned and adjusted the chain and what a difference it made in how it performs. The rough shifting I will attribute to the clutch needing adjusting since it seems Ok now and the Throttle feels so much better with out all the slop in it.

Anyway, just wanted to let all the Repsol users know that is had nothing to do with the Oil and everything to do with the fact that I need to pay more attention to my chain and other adjustments.

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