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Noob wants to change oil.

Can anyone point me to a real "FOR DUMMIES" page to change oil on my 919? I am not much of a mechanic and would love to find one with pics and "DON"T DO THIS YOU IDIOT" page.

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post #2 of 32 Old 03-23-2010, 06:22 PM
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Where you at in KY? I can have you ride it to my house and show you how. I'll smack you when you do something stupid.

Other than that, the service manual explains it very well.

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Here's a few tips:
1) DON'T use an open-end/box wrench to remove the drain plug or you might break off one of those crucial cooling fins on the bottom of the case and have to scrap the entire engine
2) DON'T run the engine before trying to remove the oil filter - fifth degree burns suck
3) DO put a pan that can catch at least four quarts of oil under the drain plug when draining - oil slicks in the garage suck
4) DO put a new filter on hand-tight with the rubber seal pre-lubed with a little oil (hopefully some woman in your life has shown you the importance of being gentle and putting a little lube on anything you're going to friction-up by now...)
5) DO put a new crush-washer under the drain plug when it goes back in

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Re above and the filter - run the bike to warm the oil - let it stand until the header pipes are cool so you will not get burnt. Drain the oil first, by then the filter is only warm and OK to touch - you'll want a filter strap to remove it anyway.

Check this out - itis a 3 part vid so look for the other two - he's a WT poster I believe so give him some bling.

YouTube - How to do an oil change part 1


And I noticed you forgot to ask what brand of oil and filter to use .........

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The 919 is one of the easier bikes to learn to change the oil on.

I didn't read any of the links provided, so perhaps my additions are repititions

a) do not over-tighten the drain plug when you put it back on. obviously torquing it to spec is the preferred method; otherwise, go until it's snug... then a smooch more.

b) aluminum foil on the headers (pipe) when you take off the oil filter helps to
1 - funnel the oil into the catch pan
2 - keep oil off the headers

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if you happen to be closer to my side of Kentucky, I can provide the same services Jim offered earlier.

I change my oil with the bike on the side stand. I also like to change the oil after riding the bike. Just wait for it to cool down a while so you don't get burns on your hands.

Slide a 4+ quart oil pan or similar under the drain on the bottom of the motor. Loosen or remove the oil fill cap on the right side of the motor. Use the appropriate size metric wrench to remove the drain plug. Let drain. While dripping, put aluminum foil under the filter and over the headers. Create a sort of catch and funnel. There is a photo here about 3/4 of the way down the page...maintenancehow-to (m51142)

Make sure it ends in the pan where both the drain plug and the filter can drip for a bit. Once the dripping slows, put the drain plug back in. I usually wipe mine down real well before reinstalling.

Dip the tip of your finger into the new oil and apply a thin layer of oil to the filter gasket. Before you spin on a new filter, make sure the gasket from the old filter isn't stuck to the bike still. Put on the new filter, put 3.8 quarts of oil in, stand the bike up to check the level in the sight glass on the bottom right side of the motor, then ride it.

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The 919 is one of the easier bikes to learn to change the oil on.

I didn't read any of the links provided, so perhaps my additions are repititions

a) do not over-tighten the drain plug when you put it back on. obviously torquing it to spec is the preferred method; otherwise, go until it's snug... then a smooch more.

b) aluminum foil on the headers (pipe) when you take off the oil filter helps to
1 - funnel the oil into the catch pan
2 - keep oil off the headers
You beat me to the foil while I was typing.

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wow...

I expected one or two posts lol. You guys are incredible.

I am in Lexington. The engine would get pretty hot going to Louisville or Western Ky, no? I would appreciate the help if those are real offers my first time changing the oil. I've only gone a little over 2000 on this oil change, but it sat for most of the winter. I took it to Honda dealer to get the first oil change and 100$ later my wallet was smarting pretty bad...

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I'm in Owensboro, so you'd have to slab it for 3 hours just to make it to my place. There is a WristTwister member who just moved from Indianapolis to Lexington. Maybe he could help you out.

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Just a few tips:

1) If you have a choice, use a 17mm six point metric socket on the drain bolt rather than a 12 point.

2) I replace the crush washer at every change; some people don't.

3) The flat face of the new crush washer needs to be against the engine.

4) The drain bolt should be torqued to spec. (22ft/lbs)

5) Pre-load the new filter with fresh oil by pouring some in the top and letting the cartridge soak it up.

6) Put a light coating of fresh oil on the rubber gasket of the filter and make sure the mating surface of the engine is clean before installing the filter.

7) Don a pair of gloves while attending to the oil change. The oil is full of contaminants; some of which are carcinogenic. Safety glasses are a good option.

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Re keeping oil of the headers re oil filter removal.
I started with newspapers, as in laying some on the headers.
I then went shopping and found a rectangular plastic container about 8 in. L x 5 W but way too tall. I just cut the height down, and now have a nice little oil catcher that sits on the headers while doing the filter. I have not had any problem with the plastic melting. The factory headers cool down quite quickly, and I do the filter after draining the oil from the crankcase.

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Few reallllllllly noob questions...

1. I take it I need to buy the following
-oil
-filter
-crush ring
-oil filter removal tool - I have a strap wrench will that work?
-pan for draining 4 quarts of oil
...what am I missing?

2. Where should I buy crush ring and filter, is the dealer my only option or does Autozone, ORiley's etc have comparable good parts?

3. Without starting one of "those threads" what are some general good brand options for filter, I read the oil thread already.

4. Where do I take the oil after I drain it?

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Few reallllllllly noob questions...

1. I take it I need to buy the following
-oil
-filter
-crush ring
-oil filter removal tool - I have a strap wrench will that work?
-pan for draining 4 quarts of oil
...what am I missing?

2. Where should I buy crush ring and filter, is the dealer my only option or does Autozone, ORiley's etc have comparable good parts?

3. Without starting one of "those threads" what are some general good brand options for filter, I read the oil thread already.

4. Where do I take the oil after I drain it?
I buy my oil at the dealer. I don't replace my crush washer, but will if it ever leaks. The strap wrench should work just fine. I get my oil filters at Advance Auto. It's the recommended Purolator filter. (sorry...don't have the number handy). I picked up the oil pan at Wal-Mart.

For oil disposal, I purchased a 5 gallon bucket with a lid and I take it to AutoZone. Most auto parts stores and believe it or not, many Wal-Marts take used oil at no charge. I change the oil in my riding mower, push mower, 2 trucks, and motorcycle. the 5 gallon bucket will basically hold one change for everything before it needs to be emptied. There is room left for more, but dumping it becomes a pain.

EDIT: I looked up the filter and it is a Purolator Pure One PL14612. It is gold and textured. I painted mine with flat black spray paint. I've also used the L14612 by mistake. It is a lower quality version of the same filter. It is smooth and white.

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I don't know about anyone else but I changed my oil last night and used the Purolator Pure One PL14612, which is a little smaller than the one that came off it and it took the full 4qts to get it to the 1/2 way mark.

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I don't know about anyone else but I changed my oil last night and used the Purolator Pure One PL14612, which is a little smaller than the one that came off it and it took the full 4qts to get it to the 1/2 way mark.
My first oil change took nearly 4 qts too, but mine was not at the halfway point. It was all the way at the top. I have kept my subsequent oil changes in the middle of the sight window. 3.75 qts.

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I don't know about anyone else but I changed my oil last night and used the Purolator Pure One PL14612, which is a little smaller than the one that came off it and it took the full 4qts to get it to the 1/2 way mark.
Noob does first oil change. Disaster movie at 11pm....

I just put in a full gallon. I am worried I overfilled it, but it is half way on that little window at the bottom....

um, is my engine going to explode?

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do you have the bike on a rear stand or just holding it up? If on a rear stand, drop it off the stand, hold the bike up straight...you know it is straight when it is super easy to hold up. Then check the level again. If it is a little too high, find something to suck out a little oil through the fill hole.

If it is still near the middle of the sight glass off the stand, you are good to go.

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do you have the bike on a rear stand or just holding it up? If on a rear stand, drop it off the stand, hold the bike up straight...you know it is straight when it is super easy to hold up. Then check the level again. If it is a little too high, find something to suck out a little oil through the fill hole.

If it is still near the middle of the sight glass off the stand, you are good to go.
I was holding it level just on it's two wheels and looking at the glass at the bottom. It is half way up between the two level marks.

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I was holding it level just on it's two wheels and looking at the glass at the bottom. It is half way up between the two level marks.
Don't forget that once you start it up the level will drop a little bit once the new filter gets oil in it. Start it and run for a minute and re-check the level.

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Don't forget that once you start it up the level will drop a little bit once the new filter gets oil in it. Start it and run for a minute and re-check the level.
check.

I followed all the suggestions on here so hopefully it won't go boom.

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could bring it out to Cali, make a weekend of it, we'll have a great time. And I know where you can get the oil and filter here in town...

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it would take me half a week to get there, and i'd need another oilchange by the time i got home... lol.

I don't think my butt would survive half way there. I ride a couple hours around here and I find myself heading for home. Might have to look into that seat improvement thread...

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...If it is a little too high, find something to suck out a little oil through the fill hole...
Is there any real issue with the oil being a little high - say like right at the top of the site-window? With the 450R quads a lot of guys would fill it right up over the top of the site window figuring that a little extra oil might be a good thing during a hot/hard race and anything beyond a reasonable amount of oil would get pushed through the case breather. Never heard of or saw any issues with th quads doing this...

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Is there any real issue with the oil being a little high - say like right at the top of the site-window? With the 450R quads a lot of guys would fill it right up over the top of the site window figuring that a little extra oil might be a good thing during a hot/hard race and anything beyond a reasonable amount of oil would get pushed through the case breather. Never heard of or saw any issues with th quads doing this...
I couldn't tell you. I'm no expert. I just know I keep mine 50 - 75% up the sight glass.

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I just changed my oil, not my first time...........

Got out aluminum foil like before, wrapped around the pipes after a good hard ride and pipes cool rela fast. I molded up a nice funnel style drain into oil pan out of a seperate foil like before, well I did not take into account the wind blowing, so now I just finished cleaning up the oil spill that the foil that went into the wind. Next time I will close all the doors to the shop and try to be smart about it............Now a can of degreaser on the header where it all welds together to get all the oil out so it does not stink when I fire it up.......

So even a non noob can cause an oil spill, just ask the Chinese ship on the great barrier reef!

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I did it without spilling... I didn't ha e aluminum foil.so I used wax paper and it worked wonderfully.

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I did it without spilling... I didn't ha e aluminum foil.so I used wax paper and it worked wonderfully.
I couldn't find any aluminum foil either, so I used my wife's grandmother's antique Nottingham lace hanky! Did I do wrong?

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I couldn't find any aluminum foil either, so I used my wife's grandmother's antique Nottingham lace hanky! Did I do wrong?
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