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post #1 of 35 Old 10-23-2010, 09:24 AM Thread Starter
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new Sato sliders?

I just found these. Anyone try them out yet?

Sato Frame Sliders for CB919 02-07 - Frame Sliders & Bar Ends - Solo Moto Parts

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post #2 of 35 Old 10-23-2010, 10:10 AM
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I have a feeling that the picture shown is not representative of the actual parts.
The left and ride sides of the 919 are reasonably symetrical re the possible attachment points, and it makes no sense to have an adaptor plate on one side, and single post mounting on the other. The issue still remains about where not to mount Satos or any other slider for that matter. They should not be mounted by the forward engine bolts. It's just begging for trouble. The frame mounting tab is very laterally flexible, where the engine tab rest against it. This is why engine tabs can get broken off, and have been broken off. Touring919 comes to mind, it happened to his bike.

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I have a feeling that the picture shown is not representative of the actual parts.
The left and ride sides of the 919 are reasonably symetrical re the possible attachment points, and it makes no sense to have an adaptor plate on one side, and single post mounting on the other. The issue still remains about where not to mount Satos or any other slider for that matter. They should not be mounted by the forward engine bolts. It's just begging for trouble. The frame mounting tab is very laterally flexible, where the engine tab rest against it. This is why engine tabs can get broken off, and have been broken off. Touring919 comes to mind, it happened to his bike.

ya... i dont see how the ones in the pics could even be used on our bikes.... and yes, drill n tap the actual frame to put frame sliders on. its the only way.

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post #4 of 35 Old 10-23-2010, 12:30 PM
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......check out the 919 sliders from twistedthrottle.com.....

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interesting, definitely would not use those.... the whole mounted to the motor thing is not the way to go.

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Yeah, your probably right.

.....what are you using?

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.....my bike came with the SATOs installed.....looks like the mount would take all the force. Not a good idea. The GSG-moto sliders from SWmotech at least have multiple mount points.

.....what are you using?
I just happen to come across these today. I have had the enigine mounted sliders mounted for about 5 years. Gone done with them and had the bike fall over once as well. I know I should move them but don't think I have the engine mount bolts anymore and just lazy. I am kind of hoping the bike dies soon so I can justify building a bike like tourings. Following in his footsteps. Not sure mine will die anytime soon after seeing this...

Well I'm happy to say.... my bike and I have made it to the 200,000 mile mark! - Honda Motorcycles - FireBlades.org

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Yeah, your probably right.

.....what are you using?
using your standard sliders.... i drilled and tapped the main frame right there, and bought replacement metric bolts for the engine bolts.

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post #9 of 35 Old 10-23-2010, 04:43 PM
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Part of me wants to simply get a set of billet engine covers and let it slide.... Too bad woodcraft doesn't offer theirs for the 919.

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Part of me wants to simply get a set of billet engine covers and let it slide.... Too bad woodcraft doesn't offer theirs for the 919.
Circuit1 does, make billet covers that is.
Left and right side crank end covers.

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post #11 of 35 Old 10-23-2010, 05:12 PM
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Sandy.....is that all your running? Was going to ask you about those.

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---- checked them out....around $300 for both....the black annodizing would look good on the bike.....

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Sandy.....is that all your running? Was going to ask you about those.

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---- checked them out....around $300 for both....the black annodizing would look good on the bike.....
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Satos framed mounted instead of engine mounted.

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Circuit1 covers in hand but not yet fitted.
Very nice looking units, LDH steered me to them.
(don't ask me how long I have had these in the box ready for fitting)

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Axle sliders going on also.
Simple use of F4i for front. Have not decided on what make yet.
Rear is square off both ends of axle, drill and tap, then select someone's standardized sliders to mount.

The crash protection is along the lines of my riding gear. I upped my boots and gloves this year, cut out the foam in the seat area and bought Forcefield Armoured Shorts, and moved to a combi Back/Chest protector from the Back protector. I figure if I spend a bunch of coin on all this stuff, it will never be called upon while on duty.

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......if you realize you dont need the circuit1's.....give me a call.

So.....was there a thread I missed in the archives about the frame mounted slider thing? Lol.

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I just happen to come across these today. I have had the enigine mounted sliders mounted for about 5 years. Gone done with them and had the bike fall over once as well. I know I should move them but don't think I have the engine mount bolts anymore and just lazy. I am kind of hoping the bike dies soon so I can justify building a bike like tourings. Following in his footsteps. Not sure mine will die anytime soon after seeing this...

Well I'm happy to say.... my bike and I have made it to the 200,000 mile mark! - Honda Motorcycles - FireBlades.org
I think you'll be riding the 919 for a while yet, it is a Honda. What are you at for km's now, 100 500???

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I have the MOTOVATION frame sliders, the bike didn't fall since I put them on so I can't comment.

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I think you'll be riding the 919 for a while yet, it is a Honda. What are you at for km's now, 100 500???
Heck no about 145,000kms.

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Get the GSGs from Wild Hair.

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post #18 of 35 Old 10-24-2010, 07:38 AM
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......I've seen the pics....they seem to have a mounting bracket to distribute the impact across multiple points.....

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I had them. I was going to sell the 919 last spring. It never happened.

The GSGs never touched the ground. They looked hi quality, and that they would work. I always thought that the 2 mounting points have to be far superior to a single. They're expensive, they're German. You could bet your bike on them.

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I looked at the Wild Hair GSGs. They use the engine tab as one of the mounting points. I would never use them for that reason alone. We all know that some engine tab mounted Satos have been called upon and not broken an engine tab - Rickard can speak to that. We all know that some have broken - touring919 can speak to that. It's a choice thing. Personally, realizing the frame design where the engine tab bolts to is what it is (flexible laterally, the very direction the slider acts in) and what it is not (it is NOT rigid nor anywhere near rigid) makes such mounting madness in my mind. True, the 2 point mounted adaptor plate adds some stiffness, but it is thin in side section and has to deal with a span between the two fixture points. Single point mounting direct to the frame where the little plastic plug normally is, is the only way to keep lateral loads away from those engine tabs.

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wow... from now on I think I'll just shut and listen. After all, we all already know everything.

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wow... from now on I think I'll just shut and listen. After all, we all already know everything.
Don't do that because we don't.
Still unknown is what is the precise condition that causes an engine tab to break off some of the time, but not all of the time, and it sounds as though it happens less than it does most. Some have suggested that the break offs seem to associated with hard drops and not "slides".

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Yeah......took a look today at the area were you guys have drilled and remounted ---- definately seems to be a better place to mount the sliders.... I guess if the impact is tough enough to bend the frame....your bikes f'd anyway.

Think maybe the key here is having multiple points and not all the impact hitting 1 point. (rearsets, retapped sliders, exhaust sliders)

Might be worth the effort to lay your bike over, see what hits....then shim the frame slider to hit at about the same angle. (rearset first in my case)

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Might be worth the effort to lay your bike over, see what hits....then shim the frame slider to hit at about the same angle. (rearset first in my case)
Take photos so we can all see this experiment.

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Take photos so we can all see this experiment.
Yes, arctic954's experiment.

I'll stick to experimenting with the 1200 # spring, even if it ends coming back to report that it was a stupid idea that didn't work.

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Damn you guys.... now I need to go buy another tap....to remount my frame sliders...

You already have had me pull the new Penske 2x's --- set 3 different SAG's, change the ride height 3x's..... LOL. --- off to Penske the shock is going for a 1000.... I'm back to stock now.... damn it! Flamed me for buying a $$$$ new speedometer..... Talked me into heading up a gas tank slider proposal to Traxxion Dynamics....

Sure -- I'll lay the bike over in the garage with a friend, take pictures, reshim, etc............why not take one for the team.

---- Thankfully? I love this kind of stuff. If I could do it for a living, I would.


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Damn you guys.... now I need to go buy another tap....to remount my frame sliders...

You already have had me pull the new Penske 2x's --- set 3 different SAG's, change the ride height 3x's..... LOL. --- off to Penske the shock is going for a 1000.... I'm back to stock now.... damn it! Flamed me for buying a $$$$ new speedometer..... Talked me into heading up a gas tank slider proposal to Traxxion Dynamics....

Sure -- I'll lay the bike over in the garage with a friend, take pictures, reshim, etc............why not take one for the team.

---- Thankfully? I love this kind of stuff. If I could do it for a living, I would.

You know that if I was local I'd be over with the tap, bit, and fluid AND help you drop your bike.

Frame holes were a verniered .309 in
Dormer calls out 8.75 mm or 11/32 for a drill size re 10 x 1.25 tapping.
In a hand drill with Jacobs chuck, the hole will be bigger than 11/32 = 0.344 in.
A Letter R drill is .339.
A Q is .332.
I used an R and if I was to do it again I'd try a Q first and see how the tap felt once it was engaged and had cut a few threads.

Oh, and if you use 12.9 allen head caps because that's all you can find, DON'T torque them to their rating, otherwise your freshly cut threads in the frame will die a quick death. 20 #/lb is plenty. ( I learned a bitter lesson decades ago about ignoring what you are threading into, and instead just looking at the ideal torque value for the fastener alone. It had to do with cylinder head on my CB750, and I'll say no more - I still get red faced all these years later. Too smart by at least half on that one ! )

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here's what the sliders will do if you actually use them


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here's what the sliders will do if you actually use them



What a sad picture to see.

I rest my case.

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Someone show me a pic of the GSGs, with 2 mounting points, that hit the deck and broke an engine case.

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Someone show me a pic of the GSGs, with 2 mounting points, that hit the deck and broke an engine case.
Word is that at least some, if not most, engine mounted Satos didn't break off the engine tabs when called upon.

Maybe the perfect circumstances have not yet occurred on the GSGs.
Maybe they won't ever break an engine tab.

But, knowing how the engine tabs mount, why voluntarily potentially add crash type load to them if you can easily them seeing any such load ?

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I guess you can go either way with it.....

This past weekend --- I drilled out the frame holes.....went about 11.5mm --- no tapped threads. Then inserted a huge 5,000 pound rated 7/8 threaded rod (way bigger than the motovation, which is only 10mm)......slide the spacers & SATO's on......brought it all together with lock-tight & lock nuts.....

I believe this setup to 'LOOK' secure..... but man, with a large hit I still fear of bending one of the frame members instead of breaking the engine. I guess.....dollar for dollar.....at least a frame can be replaced cheaper on E-bay than an Engine.

I still can't help but wonder though...... that distributing the stress across both at the same time..... might actually do the trick. .......Just a thought and one I'm not willing to prove. Ya know....until someone actually has photo evidence, you can't prove anything.

I'm still planning on adding Billet engine cases and hopefully --- the SATO's will simply take some of the load and bend out of the way....not breaking anything in the process.....

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ya know..... been thinking lately....

Might not be a bad idea to put a set of ZETA supermoto metal handguards on the handlebars........(basically just the metal bar with a plastic slider on the side..... no hand shield)

Couldn't tell you how much damage these have avoided in various crashes with my supermotos.


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post #35 of 35 Old 10-28-2010, 12:18 AM
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Rizoma make a small bar end thingy like that for some modern rides. I'm sure they would save your levers.

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