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post #1 of 29 Old 09-18-2008, 03:19 PM Thread Starter
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New rubber!

So, , , I found a reason to get my new tires mounted and balanced.

I saw a bit of cord peaking out so decided to do a little burnout in the driveway to finish her off. Didn't want to risk the rim by running it until it blew out, plus I don't think it would be as easy to change if you have to deal with a shredded mess.

The new tires are Pirelli Diablos. Only about 100 miles on them now, but so far I'm loving them.

I really think I would have loved any new tire over the worn out set on the bike. They have made the 9er fun to ride again.

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OEM center stand, best mod on the bike. Gotta change wheels? no problem. Adjust your chain? easy. Sinking in the asphalt on your side stand? pop it up on the center.
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post #2 of 29 Old 09-18-2008, 03:29 PM
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Sinking in the asphalt on your side stand? pop it up on the center.
I've sunk in asphalt with a center stand. It was pretty funny looking and took some work to get out!

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I almost lost my VFR to the asphalt parking lot at the Holiday Inn at Lake Powell in June, it was 114 degrees and it ate the whole center stand leaving the bike resting back on the tires, it was lots of fun to get out.

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Nice rubber!

I agree, I do not have the center stand, but can see where it would come in handy!

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Yep, I've sunk a center stand too, but at least the bike is still upright when you come back to it rather than on it's side.

Looks pretty strange too just sitting there level with both wheels on the ground but no rider.

As for the new tires, I picked them up last year for a super price I couldn't pass up, and was just waiting to finish off the pilot powers on the bike this summer before getting them mounted. I don't expect them to last too long since they seem pretty soft and sticky, and the next set for the bike will have to be more of a sport touring tire. Too many of my miles end up being straight line commuting, and these softies end up way too square way too soon.

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keep us informed on how they last. I currently have a Pirelli Rosso front and a Pirelli Strada rear. I plan to put on a Rosso rear as soon as I wear out the Strada, but I am at 8000 miles and it still has some life left.

I love my Pirelli's and intend to stick with them. I am open to trying new things, but I have not been let down yet by my Pirelli's.

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I was looking at the dunlop roadsmart tires. they have that different compound stuff in it and they say it grips like a qualifier with exceptional I have m3's now and they are great with excellent traction and warmup but like said above when i go on a trip or commute anywhere the tire only wears in the middle. I wish daily commuting was twisties but i cant get up early enough to take the long way in the morning

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I just installed the RoadSmarts and after initial break-in they feel much better than the stock Michelins, the front tire is loud (subdued howling at freeway speeds) but they feel much more stable when leaned way over.

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I have the RoadSmarts as well but I haven't heard any howling coming from them. Great tires in my opinion though.

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I too LOVE my RoadSmarts, I've got about 2500 miles on them now, and they are barely showing any wear. Can't say I have any howling though, maybe you've got a bearing or some kinda drag problem? I might be kinda deaf tho to

I was wondering, how are you guys mounting and balancing these tires? I'm a mechanic and do car tires all the time, but I've never seen a bike tire done. Are you just using bars to pry them on/off? And how the heck are ya balancing them? Bubble balancer? Where do you get the weights? Inquiring minds want to know.

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One of the tech's at work also has a Harley repair business he runs out of his house, he mounts all my tires for me as long as I don't tell anyone he's working on a Jap bike, he has a motorcycle tire machine and a Snap On motorcycle wheel spin balancer that works great. My front tire went on and he didn't have to change or move the weight (1/4oz) from its previous location, the rear only needed to have the weight(also 1/4oz) moved three inches forward to achieve zero. I also had him install the Ariete 90degree valve stems while he had the tires off, talk about an improvement, much easier to check and fill now.

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One of the tech's at work also has a Harley repair business he runs out of his house, he mounts all my tires for me as long as I don't tell anyone he's working on a Jap bike


Oh, man that's funny - I just have this funny SNL - like sketch that just played out in my head.

I'd go on but probably get harassed for stereotyping.
Good to see there are a few black&orange guys out there that realize we all bleed red.

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I just installed the RoadSmarts and after initial break-in they feel much better than the stock Michelins, the front tire is loud (subdued howling at freeway speeds) but they feel much more stable when leaned way over.

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howling as opposed to the wind blowing by or the sound of your pipes?

I am still on my stock Michelins and I am wondering when I will need new ones. The bike only had 5k on the clock when I bought it, but the tires do seem like they are weathered and cracking around the edges and patterns and such. Do you think it should be time to change them soon or at least for next season?

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Oh, man that's funny - I just have this funny SNL - like sketch that just played out in my head.

I'd go on but probably get harassed for stereotyping.
Good to see there are a few black&orange guys out there that realize we all bleed red.
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if your rubber is cracking then you need to replace

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if you're riding an 03 with stock tires on it that suck, then you need to replace

you will fall back in love with the bike all over again

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howling as opposed to the wind blowing by or the sound of your pipes? :
Deffinatly not wind or pipes, it wasn't there before the new tires but now it is, it's the same sound the General Grabber AT2's makw on my F250 just not as loud, it's not annoying just new.
It's only coming from the front tire, I've rechecked the install re-torqued all the fasteners lifted the front and checked for dragging, nothing, just a all terrain tire howl on the freeway.

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MGuy, Getting the rubber off and back on is the easiest aspect of changing tires. You'll have to figure out some sort of bead breaker, and a fixture to hold the wheel. I made a "tire changer contraption". Works very well. I posted pics of it long ago. A search might find them, so you know what I'm talking about. You'll need rim protectors, and 3 tire irons, tire slime. a carpenter's knife and you're in business. I static balance.

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Thanks Sniper! Thats what I thought, just wanted to see if someone had come up with a good way of dynamic balancing that I hadn't thought of yet. Breaking the bead and removing the tire if fairly straight forward if you have any experience with tire removal of any kind, but getting a good dynamic balance w/o a machine isn't as easy. Static balance is ok I guess, but not something I would be comfortable with at high speeds. But then again, I'm a little





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I just installed the RoadSmarts and after initial break-in they feel much better than the stock Michelins, the front tire is loud (subdued howling at freeway speeds) but they feel much more stable when leaned way over.

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How many miles do you have on em?? also do they grip good too. Their not gonna let me down around a sharp turn are they.

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About 3 months ago I "acquired" a nail in the back tire of my less than 2500 mile Metzeler Roadtec Z6's. I went to the dealer for immediate replacements, however they did not have the z6. I decided on the pirelli Diablo as my replacements. I have 2500 on these and they feel real good. They are good in the rain, they warm up quickly and are pretty sticky in the corners. At least I haven't gotton slippery yet. The treads are holding up real well.

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About 3 months ago I "acquired" a nail in the back tire of my less than 2500 mile Metzeler Roadtec Z6's. I went to the dealer for immediate replacements, however they did not have the z6. I decided on the pirelli Diablo as my replacements. I have 2500 on these and they feel real good. They are good in the rain, they warm up quickly and are pretty sticky in the corners. At least I haven't gotton slippery yet. The treads are holding up real well.
i had the diablo's on my 1000.. they were great.. i put michelin pilot powers on my 919 after the stock slipstone b56's let me down big time in a wet parking lot..(ouch but no real damage to the bike.. escalade who's driver did'nt think stop meant her).. i have gotten really fond of the michelins and wholeheartedly recomend them to anyone who is looking for 9er rubber.. great in the wet great in the dry... we will see about longevity



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How many miles do you have on em?? also do they grip good too. Their not gonna let me down around a sharp turn are they.
So far I've just done the recomended 100 mile break in period, but they already feel better than the Michelins, I don't see them letting me down. They have a little "rounder" profile and they feel more planted, I'll have to put a bunch more miles on them to see if the smile fades at all.

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Voodooridr, Do ya think the source of your subdued howl might be the 90 degree stems. All that undisturbed air up front being stirred by that nipple spinning round might make a bit of noise. May not hear the rear one because the air has been broken up by the front of the bike.
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It probably has more to do with the fact that the tread pattern on the RoadSmarts is 180 degrees opposite from the Michelins. I've rechecked the installation and torque values and everythings good so I'm just going to teach myself to tune it out.

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.. i have gotten really fond of the michelins and wholeheartedly recomend them to anyone who is looking for 9er rubber.. great in the wet great in the dry... we will see about longevity
I've got about 6500 miles on my Pilot Powers. Sides are still in great shape, but the middle is about 1 millimeter from the wear indicators. New Pilot Powers will be on order soon.

Should you replace both at the same time? My front has plenty of wear left, but it's getting cupped.

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You can't really tell from the pic above, but my front pilot power "looked" alright with a little bit of cupping, but after feeling that tire dismounted from the wheel I'm happy it was replaced.

I'm definitely on the side of replacing both together as a pair. Unless you like doing smokey burnouts and trashing your rears, your front will get worn enough (though it won't show as much) from riding to justify replacement.

This is just my opinion, you can do whatever you want, but I'd rather be a bit more cautious, especially with bike maintenance, since problems can hurt quite a bit more.

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On a related note...I ordered a Metzler Z6 front to match the Z6 on the back. The shop (my local Honda dealer) quoted me $24 if I brought in just the wheel for installation and balancing, $50 if I brought the whole bike. I've not had bike tires changed before so...is this reasonable?

I would like to hear what other shops are charging.

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On a related note...I ordered a Metzler Z6 front to match the Z6 on the back. The shop (my local Honda dealer) quoted me $24 if I brought in just the wheel for installation and balancing, $50 if I brought the whole bike. I've not had bike tires changed before so...is this reasonable?

I would like to hear what other shops are charging.

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There are two shops in Owensboro that will do it wheel off for $25. One is a dealer and the other is a mom and pop place. Sounds about right to me.

If you have a friend with a motorcycle mount and balance machine you can just ship the new tires to him/her and do it there for free.

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