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New German Naked - Horex 6 Cylinder 1200

The VR6 engine, is a 15 degree V6 triple overhead cam, with 3 valves per cylinder and a crankshaft driven variable ratio supercharger. Power output is said to be 175 to 200 hp and 150 Nm.
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Now this is what I had in mind when I was / am banging on about the miserable attempt Honda made in reviving the CB1100F. Either this or this is what the next Hornet (919) should look like! (apparently the CB1000R is not an offical 919 / Hornet replacement (yeah right)) Basic naked/UJM design, but unmistakeable modern in looks and gear.

Look at the gear; USD front forks, Brembo(?) front brakes, no outdated duel rear shocks, etc. Being Euro, I guess odds are that the gear its decked out in will be pretty good (not generic look alikes). Stylish mirrors, low handle bar.
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i think this is what your lookin for as far as a link.

Horex Motorcycles Returns with New 1200cc VR6

looks pretty bad ass if you ask me.... i cant imagine the price tag on such a thing tho.... i think vw did something very similar with a v6 motor... super narrow v.

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Thanks, link fixed. Yes, VW has had a VR6 motor for quite some time now.

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18K Euros equals $22,087.7 that's EXPENSIVE!

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Doesn't seem to make much power for being a supercharged 1200. Seems like making it a 6 cost more than it added.

Interesting design exercise but doesn't strike me as a good motorcycle by most criteria I care about.

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Smittyrock, where did you read that price tag info at? I didn't see that in the article...

I left a comment there, as well. I would like to see lots more info about this bike...I'm really interested. If the price is right, I'll get one too.

Where can I see some real engine specs? where can I find the torque values? how bout a dyno chart???









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Smittyrock, where did you read that price tag info at? I didn't see that in the article...

I left a comment there, as well. I would like to see lots more info about this bike...I'm really interested. If the price is right, I'll get one too.

Where can I see some real engine specs? where can I find the torque values? how bout a dyno chart???









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Get someone to translate the manufacturer's site for you? I will try and dig up some more info.

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I was gonna ask but looking at the last pic I I have a good idea why it's got 3 cam shafts. although I think it could have still been achieved with 2 and reduce rotating mass in the engine but it would have upped the moving parts of the motor and probably made it unreliable.

But we all know what reducing rotating mass in an engine makes for.

Common sense. So rare it's a god damn super power.
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Now that is one cool looking machine!

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Innovative to say the least. Just wow!

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Was this made and designed in East Germany? Why does it look like the communist party designed it? Not to say it doesn't look cool just reflecting on the design aspect of it. Very, very hard and defined lines throughout the entire bike and the seat is very nice looking. With that said I like it. I think it runs a very close second to the CB1000R. But if $22K is the price tag I’ll just move along.

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That's an interesting "V6" at 15 degrees... I guess anything at 1 degree or beyond can be considered a V6. Maybe a lot of these are out there but just never really thought about such a low degree V engine...

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Was this made and designed in East Germany? Why does it look like the communist party designed it? Not to say it doesn't look cool just reflecting on the design aspect of it. Very, very hard and defined lines throughout the entire bike and the seat is very nice looking. With that said I like it. I think it runs a very close second to the CB1000R. But if $22K is the price tag I’ll just move along.
I looks balanced, proportional and like it means business IMO.
This is more what the new, yet to arrive, CB1100 should have looked like, with the Blackbird's motor. Compare the frame, front end and general styling to the CB1100, the CB1100 looks aneamic, cheap and fragile, IMO.

Yes, it will be expensive. Its a relatively small company or division of a company, also using a VR6 motor (for the 1st time, in recent times?) in a production bike. Reading between the lines, seems like they developed the engine themselves.

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Hang on though - you cannot compare this with the CB1100 - the retro CB is half the price consequently it will not have all the fancy goodies.

And the CB1100 is designed by Honda as a modern acknowledgment to the past glory of Honda IL4's - thus the standard front end and all the other styling clues from CB750 on. Love it or loathe it the 1100 is Hondas reto not modern naked or a 919 replacement etc.

Look to the CB1000r as a comparison. Figuring that would be 10 ish in the USA the V6 is still twice the price!

It is a shame that the Jap 4 do not set up a speciality division for bikes - like Ford and Holden do in Aussie with the HSV and XR6/8 - bring out a limited number of hot-rod and upgraded edition of bikes. Suzuki do a occasional LTD GSXR but it is usually some fancy stickers and paint. Yonks ago they did a Yoshi LTD edition - I know someone who had a GSXR750 version. Pipe, cams, etc and special paint.

I also wonder how good the 919 would have been if they just tweaked a extra 10-15 hp from the engine (easy considering it's original form) USD forks, upgraded rear shock and maybe cosmetic tweaks - LCD instruments, mirrors etc. Surely the price would have remained low and they would sell heaps!

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I don't neccesarily think so. We are generally talking classic naked / standard 1L catagory style here.
The Horex is made by a very smaller company in relation to gaint Honda, so that in itself explains a more expensive bike, if both companies had to produce the exact same bike.
Then add the cost of the R&D of the bike and motor, smaller production capability also given the much lower volumes at which this will sell at (sort of a viscious circle; high price low volume, low volume high price)

I realise the new CB1100 is not meant to be a replacement 919. But as I have been saying in other posts, they could have captured the classic styling of the past, but blend it with modern gear, frame, etc. I cannot see how a modernish frame, USD suspension and a good set of Brembo brakes will ruin a retro CB1100. Unless we are talking about producing a replica and not a retro. If anything it will make it more attractive for the younger market as well as targetting the older blokes. IMO the Horex looks or has a hint of retro in it and its not even based on a predecessor as far as I know.

The Ducati GT1000 is a good example of this, IMO. Just look at the front end and brakes.

Can you imagine the "wow" factor if Honda brought out a naked that had the CB1300 or the Blackbirds engine that looked along the lines of the Horex and sold it at a decent price (R&D already done on existing running gear)?
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I'd take on e of those

Common sense. So rare it's a god damn super power.
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Damn that bike looks awsome. I would assume with a supercharger and 1200cc's its not a screamer by any stretch. That engine is a low reving lugger with tons of torque.

And that body is beutiful. I want one! Limited to 155mph. Who the heck limits a bike to 155? Hope the aftermarket has a fix for that.

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I also wonder how good the 919 would have been if they just tweaked a extra 10-15 hp from the engine (easy considering it's original form) USD forks, upgraded rear shock and maybe cosmetic tweaks - LCD instruments, mirrors etc. Surely the price would have remained low and they would sell heaps!



I would have settled for a gas gauge and a centerstand....

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Damn that bike looks awsome. I would assume with a supercharger and 1200cc's its not a screamer by any stretch. That engine is a low reving lugger with tons of torque.

And that body is beutiful. I want one! Limited to 155mph. Who the heck limits a bike to 155? Hope the aftermarket has a fix for that.



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Damn that bike looks awsome. I would assume with a supercharger and 1200cc's its not a screamer by any stretch. That engine is a low reving lugger with tons of torque.

And that body is beutiful. I want one! Limited to 155mph. Who the heck limits a bike to 155? Hope the aftermarket has a fix for that.
Can you imagine the awesome sound? I love the VW Golf VR6 sound.

From what I have heard a few times, I have no idea how true it is, 250km/h or 155 mph is sort of a gentlemans agreement between top car manufacturers to officially curb things getting out of hand and to be seen as being responsible (remember they have the Autobahn), which would otherwise more than likely invite legislative restrictions and maybe even lawsuits (similar to lawsuits against gunmakers in the USA). I guess its become the industry standard over there to observe this unwritten rule even for smaller manufacturers.

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if another 15 hp is easy from a 919, let's see how many people we know of who've achieved it.

without power adders.

i think there's probably 10 aspro 919's in the world making 117 hp at the rear tire.
that's my wild ass guess. MAYBE 20. TOPS.

i'd have rather they adapted a 919-like fuel tank and exhaust onto the cb1000r's mechanicals.

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if another 15 hp is easy from a 919, let's see how many people we know of who've achieved it.

without power adders.

i think there's probably 10 aspro 919's in the world making 117 hp at the rear tire.
that's my wild ass guess. MAYBE 20. TOPS.

i'd have rather they adapted a 919-like fuel tank and exhaust onto the cb1000r's mechanicals.
honda should just make this from the factory... it wouldnt be hard as its a cbr1000


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honda should just make this from the factory... it wouldnt be hard as its a cbr1000
I totally agree, that's just a real good looking bike. In theory, it should also be cheaper than the CB1000R they put out instead.

As much as I like the current CB1000R (apart from its ridiculous price tag), I'm not too sure on its design as being to a degree future proof/timeless, such as the Horex or the "CB1000R" you have pictured above. I wonder if we will look back at the current CB1R in a few years and wince in the same manner when we think of 1980's fashion?

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"wince" ? how DARE you !??! i've got 6 shirts on layered right now and EVERY collar is popped. it really sets off my perm and pornstache.

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"wince" ? how DARE you !??! i've got 6 shirts on layered right now and EVERY collar is popped. it really sets off my perm and pornstache.
Sortof like a cross between Tom Selleck and Burt Reynolds?

I personally went with the Miami Vice look, you know, loads of soft pink, purple and white.
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You mean like this CB1000RR? Its a riot. And it sure ain't limited to 155. Its gone 165. Not sure if it will do much better than that without its fairings. Someone here has the correct handle. "flyingbrick"

I like the japanese gentelmens agreement of 186 on bikes. Its not as wussy.
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If I could snap my fingers and have honda bring one bike to market though it would be this one. Which a traditional clutch of coarse. It has its retro tid bits but mostly its a modern original looking naket with a totally bad ass drivline.

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a - MEN brother !
i guess they were trying out the future vf1200 headlight on that concept, eh?
it is good to remember that the GL1000 was the fastest accelerating motorcycle of its time, and the quickest Honda up to that time also. it went touring, but there's no reason why a sportsbike can't sound like a 911.

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If I could snap my fingers and have honda bring one bike to market though it would be this one. Which a traditional clutch of coarse. It has its retro tid bits but mostly its a modern original looking naket with a totally bad ass drivline.

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i guess they were trying out the future vf1200 headlight on that concept, eh?
it is good to remember that the GL1000 was the fastest accelerating motorcycle of its time, and the quickest Honda up to that time also. it went touring, but there's no reason why a sportsbike can't sound like a 911.

start snapping !
Now something like that has got to be the ultimate (keeping it realistic) naked muscle bike!

(even though its concept, I would have liked to see better brakes on in front though)

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that's a cropped pic. i'm actually holding my infant niece in that pic. she later (as a twenty-something year old woman and mother) pointed out that i must have served as the starting point for Nacho Libré. i'll be damned ! she was right !

no WONDER she had a deathly fear of chest hair her whole life.
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Hahaha, as I said, a combo between Magum Pi and Burt Reynolds!

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Sortof like a cross between Tom Selleck and Burt Reynolds?

I personally went with the Miami Vice look, you know, loads of soft pink, purple and white.
Did you get pregnant because of that look?

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back then, thanks to that look, plenty of CHICKS did.
like Don Johnson didn't pull a boat load of tail !

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