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New bars?

OK guys.... as all of you know i am a cheap ass. But lately in all my riding in the past months (bahahah riding seasons.... what are those) i have noticed that the stock bars have a lil too much pull back, and my wrists hurt from being twisted out too much.

Now i hear everyone rant and rave about the renthal ultra lows. But i have some apprehension going with a lower bar which will lean me forward more. I am a dirtbiker at heart and love the upward seated position of the stock 919 setup. How much lower are the ultra lows vs stock? Has anyone tried the road medium's?

Does anyone have the dimensions of the stock bars so i can compare to other bars out on the market?

And finally can the stock bar ends be used on the aftermarket alloy bars? (i saw one of googlits posts about the rubber fuel line setup with stock bar ends so this leads me to believe not with the stock hardware)

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Have the road mediums. Love them. Can take seated pics if you want.

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Oh, BTW, got them for pretty much the same reasons you just described.

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bah there are just so many damn options!

I have some protaper contour carmichale bend bars... but they are 1 1/8th bars.... and tbh they are so damn wide... way way to dirbikeish.

Ganktor... how were the mediums compared to the stock? similar to slightly less height and less pull back?

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Dude. You ride a motorcycle. A street motorcycle.

Bars are freaking cheap compared to most anything else we do.

Expensive bars are $100.

The other thing to consider: I bought the Rizoma "low" bars and didn't like losing the height, but liked the angle. So, I bought risers.

It's the great thing about bars -- very flexible.

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Dude. You ride a motorcycle. A street motorcycle.

Bars are freaking cheap compared to most anything else we do.

Expensive bars are $100.

The other thing to consider: I bought the Rizoma "low" bars and didn't like losing the height, but liked the angle. So, I bought risers.

It's the great thing about bars -- very flexible.
your talking to a cheap ass college student.... i sold my old jeep to buy it... put all of 80 bucks into it for ss lines, and 30 bucks for LED blinkers. and ride the piss out of it haha. Definitely MUCH less expensive than the wrecked Limited edition akrapovic KTM RC8 R at my buddies shop when i showed up there today.

Id really like to figure out the dimensions of the stockers to compare. hmm. Anyone got an old set of stockers laying around off the bike to take some measurements..... so i dont have to take mine off!

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Id really like to figure out the dimensions of the stockers to compare. hmm. Anyone got an old set of stockers laying around off the bike to take some measurements..... so i dont have to take mine off!
yeh, I do, West Coast Boy - what do you wnt to know?

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Let me tell you basically what I can see.

If you set the bar on a line that would run through the bar at the clamps, the bars are 3 1/2in pulled back from that line at their ends.

In terms of vertical bend, they have approx 2 3/4in of dist from from the 1st bend to the 2nd. And depending on how they are rotated when installed, they might climb further from there.

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Somewhere on here I posted pictures of UL compared to stock.

The stock bars are dorky.........

Renthals are only $60-65 in the USA in 7/8.

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the mediums are similar height to stock, but a little less bend. I left them full width and had to jockey the lines around to get enough clearance to go lock to lock with no problems.

as for bar ends, not sure, I have a set of renthal bar ends in them that I got off another member for pretty cheap.

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Had to search but I knew this pic was here somewhere:
Top bars are Renthal High Street
Middle bars are stock 919
Bottom bars are Renthal Medium Street
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Courtesy of FlyCatcher from another thread:

Dennis Kirk measurements don't appear to be accurate. Here is the application chart from Renthal

7/8 Handlebars: Applications

Here is a chart I dug up on fireblades. I think the 919 measurements are correct.

--------------------Width mm--------Rise mm-----Pullback mm

Stock 919---------------660-------------102------------190
Renthal Ultra lows-------725--------------50-------------95
Renthal Streetfighter----755--------------60-------------80
Renthal Mid Road--------725--------------85------------???
Renthal High Road-------710-------------105------------185

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yeh, I do, West Coast Boy - what do you wnt to know?

7/8 Handlebars: Applications

dimension e ... center to center... lay the bar flat on the table then measure the height of the ends of the bars for the pull back.

also the full width of the bars.

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Dennis Kirk measurements don't appear to be accurate. Here is the application chart from Renthal

7/8 Handlebars: Applications

Here is a chart I dug up on fireblades. I think the 919 measurements are correct.

--------------------Width mm--------Rise mm-----Pullback mm

Stock 919---------------660-------------102------------190
Renthal Ultra lows-------725--------------50-------------95
Renthal Streetfighter----755--------------60-------------80
Renthal Mid Road--------725--------------85------------???
Renthal High Road-------710-------------105------------185

not sure i trust those numbers.... the pullback number for the road highs are way way offf.

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Pullback centre to centre (dimension e) = 90mm or 3.5 inches approx.
Width o/all = 640mm or 25in

I agree with your take on those pullback figures above- they seem extreme.

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this gets me thinking.... pull back is measured from the furthest tip.... comparing pullback on bars is like comparing apples to oranges.... as it all depends.... a bar could have a pull back of 2x the stockers... but have a less pullback angle if the upper section started closer into the center and the bars were wider.

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@ganktor ... comparing the road mediums to the stockers... what are we talkin? similar height... less pullback angle?

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i threw away the stockers, so i can't line them up for a pic.

but, before I did i held them right next to eachother with the renthals clamped in.

if i remember correctly the pullback at the end of the stock bars was around 1.5" more than the renthals. the heights were very similar.

I'll gladly throw a level across the bike tonight and take some pics if you want. then you can see how far they come back using the fuel cap as kind of a gauge or something. I guess i could even use a tape measure or something so you have a scale of sorts.

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i threw away the stockers, so i can't line them up for a pic.

but, before I did i held them right next to eachother with the renthals clamped in.

if i remember correctly the pullback at the end of the stock bars was around 1.5" more than the renthals. the heights were very similar.

I'll gladly throw a level across the bike tonight and take some pics if you want. then you can see how far they come back using the fuel cap as kind of a gauge or something. I guess i could even use a tape measure or something so you have a scale of sorts.
naw its cool man thats all i needed to know for the mediums ... same height, less pullback.

NOW... the question.... do i stay at the same height or go with the ultra lows which have a lil less pullback than the mediums but are 1.25in shorter? I REALLY hate a hunched over seated position of crotch rockets and such... and is why i got the 919... but i hear all this rant and rave bout the UL's

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Yes, I know what you mean there. I'm running a flat bar with up-and-back risers to get me completely happy - the stretch to the bar just wasn't right for me.

If you end up with the right pull-back but the wrong height, you could always consider going with bar risers....

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i threw away the stockers, so i can't line them up for a pic.

but, before I did i held them right next to eachother with the renthals clamped in.

if i remember correctly the pullback at the end of the stock bars was around 1.5" more than the renthals. the heights were very similar.

I'll gladly throw a level across the bike tonight and take some pics if you want. then you can see how far they come back using the fuel cap as kind of a gauge or something. I guess i could even use a tape measure or something so you have a scale of sorts.
If you don't mind, could you take a couple pics please. I'm thinking about doing something with mine, the pullback does bother me on long trips...

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Some bars I've been checking out:
LSL Sport Touring Bars -680mm Width - 45mm Rise - 110mm Pullback
They also have Spacers that can raise the bars 15mm, 25mm and 35mm. The 35mm spacer would lower the bars approximately 1in. under stock position and with less pullback there wouldnt be that ackward angle the stock bars put your wrists in.

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" I am a dirtbiker at heart and love the upward seated position of the stock 919 setup"

I too like the upright seating of the 919. I am surely in the minority here but like the Renthal High bars. I am 57 years old and can't handle the ergos of low bars. The only drawback I can see is that at speeds above 70mph or so (without a wind screen) you are begining to fight wind pressure where if you have a forward cant it is easier to balance against the wind. I don't spend much time above 70mph so it works for me and if I do bust off a high speed run I can still lean forward.

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There really isn't much said about the road high bars on here. I was glad to read your comments on them wgrady. I ordered a set a couple weeks ago & can't wait to try them out. I feel like I like the height of the stock but not the angle. Plus hopefully they'll help with the vibes.

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There really isn't much said about the road high bars on here. I was glad to read your comments on them wgrady. I ordered a set a couple weeks ago & can't wait to try them out. I feel like I like the height of the stock but not the angle. Plus hopefully they'll help with the vibes.
I have the Renthal High as well and for the exact reasons that Bill stated. My bike had some Pro Taper dirt bike bars installed when I bought it. The problem was they were straight. No pullback or sweep to them at all. I love the Renthal High.

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rmb -

can do tonight. was a little busy with the kids last night, and then figured I better actually spend some time with the wife.

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can do tonight. was a little busy with the kids last night, and then figured I better actually spend some time with the wife.
No problem, no rush. Thanks!

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NOW... the question.... do i stay at the same height or go with the ultra lows which have a lil less pullback than the mediums but are 1.25in shorter? I REALLY hate a hunched over seated position of crotch rockets and such... and is why i got the 919... but i hear all this rant and rave bout the UL's
Even with the Ultra Low you won't be anywhere near as hunched over as a sportbike. They're probably 4 inches higher than sportbike clip-ons.

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hmm.... so UL's or mediums..... i hate you guys for makin choices hard btw.

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Ima gonna come up there and siphon the gas out of your tank, sell it, then hand you the $25 or whatever just so you'll friggin' buy some bars and get over it.


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Ima gonna come up there and siphon the gas out of your tank, sell it, then hand you the $25 or whatever just so you'll friggin' buy some bars and get over it.


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i swear im not jewish either... i have no problems with money... i could go out and buy a brand new cb1000rr cash if i wanted it.... but thats how i have money is im frugal.... tighter than a frogs ass hahaha.

but really.... everytime i go out to the garage to work on the bike... its just so nice out because it is so cal i go blast twisties instead. :-P

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So here's the pics for the renthal medium road bars.
This is the best way I could figure how to show the pullback.

This is also posted from my phone, so sorry if the pics are all weird.
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is there any way we can get a side view to see how the bars are angled in the clamps?

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hmm.... so UL's or mediums..... i hate you guys for makin choices hard btw.
This is one of those instances where if you paid $60 new for the UL's and didn't like them, you could turn around and sale them for $50 shipped.

It's cheap to try.

Not cheaper than a frogs ass...but cheap.

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Mediums look like theyl place you in roughly the same position as the stockers (maybe a touch less sweep), why change to those, if its such a small difference? The UL's feel more aggressive/commited but nowere near sportbike territory. Going frm stock to UL will feel odd at first but i appreciated the more commited stance for spirited riding.

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This is one of those instances where if you paid $60 new for the UL's and didn't like them, you could turn around and sale them for $50 shipped.

It's cheap to try.

Not cheaper than a frogs ass...but cheap.
ya ya ya.... f it... those mediums look tooo close to stock, ill have my buddy order some ULs for me tomorrow.

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Mediums look like theyl place you in roughly the same position as the stockers (maybe a touch less sweep), why change to those, if its such a small difference?
mine were bent. bought the bike after the PO hit a deer.

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Here's mine - higher than sportbike clip-ons, but much lower than the UL, and still very comfortable.



Here's one of the sets of MX bars with tall bar clamps - I also tried a set of Renthal Fatbars.




Hre's the Ultra Lows with the stock triple clamps.




I hope that helps show some of the differences.

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What bar ends and grips are you guys using for the UL's?

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oh dang those ultra lows look spot on to what im lookin for. Not to mention that is like the cleanest 9er ever. god damn wish mine looked like that.

thanks a bunch for the pics! what setup do you like the most? or does each have its place?

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