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New 919 from Honda?

I just got a phone call from a guy named Luke at American Honda reserch & development inviting me and other CB900F/919 owners to come on down to thier headquarters in Torrance Ca. and to give my opinion on a new prototype
naked bike. The guy said Honda will actually pay 50.00 and give me a "special gift" for my time on Saturday evening, September 29th.
Have any other west coast/SO CAL 919 owners gotten this call?

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I got a message on my machine for the same thing. I will ask if they are looking for other 919 riders. I will take a camera if I can get away with it.

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No..... But give them my name!
Heck, I'll go down there just to poke my nose around.

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I live in Palos Verdes so I am close... Cell phones have good picture quality now...

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If this is real, which I doubt, that means a 919 replacement is at least a year away.

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Tell the dude you know a majority of USA based 919 owners who would be more than happy to give their input. Maybe a questionnaire of some sort. Be sure to mention, we don't want any watered down version of the 1000RR.

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Then we should just buy the 1000 RR ! At what point does a line become redundant ?

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Then we should just buy the 1000 RR ! At what point does a line become redundant ?
You missed the whole point. I'm not saying "go buy a 1000RR." The naked/standard bikes from Japan are mostly detuned lumps, I would like to see that changed. For example the Aprilia Tuono gets the same motor as its counterpart the Mille.

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I think we should use the time before you go to post up some REALISTIC ideas we'd like to see. Not a bunch of pictures of other manufacturer's naked bikes, I'm sure they've seen those, and not a bunch of custom one off ideas that would not have mass appeal, but true ideas for a next generation. If they are taking the time to make a serious inquiry, we should take the time to make a serious request.

If we do this throw your ideas out there, but keep in mind I don't think they are looking for a 1000RR without fairings and with handlebars. The 9er was originally conceived as a relatively "inexpensive" machine with low budget suspension, steel frame, and rehashed motor.


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$9K - 10K MSRP
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Front - preload, compression and rebound. USD.
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"Conventional" sportbike framed. Do away with the steel backbone.
Keep the rear grabrail, or some way to have luggage attachment points.
Move the fuggin horn under the triple trees and give it some more beef.
Keep the tach and speedo analog.
Gear indication.

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Therefore, one is just a naked version of the other. If power is what you want, buy the more powerful lump.

"Be sure to mention, we don't want any watered down version..."

You didn't say anything about comfort et al.

Not tryin' to pick a fight, just sayin'.





Just sayin' I'm an ass, apparently. 'ang on ! Lemme get some more coffee.

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Lemonhead, I agree with you.

Sportbike power is high up in the revs. Naked bikes are not sport bikes, they are everyday use bikes. Midrange grunt is what I would want.

As for the Aprilia... The slowest liter sportbike does not need to be detuned to make for a naked bike. Also, being a twin it already has grunt in the midrange.

If you want a hooligan bike, shame on you for thinking the 919 is it.
If you want exactly what Mike said "The 9er was originally conceived as a relatively "inexpensive" machine with low budget suspension, steel frame, and rehashed motor." Then you got what you paid for.

Face it, Honda does not need another 9K bike. They need lower price range models. The price of bikes is going up considerably every year. They need models to attract new riders with reasonable price tags.

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Lemonhead, I agree with you.

Sportbike power is high up in the revs. Naked bikes are not sport bikes, they are everyday use bikes. Midrange grunt is what I would want.

As for the Aprilia... The slowest liter sportbike does not need to be detuned to make for a naked bike. Also, being a twin it already has grunt in the midrange.

If you want a hooligan bike, shame on you for thinking the 919 is it.
If you want exactly what Mike said "The 9er was originally conceived as a relatively "inexpensive" machine with low budget suspension, steel frame, and rehashed motor." Then you got what you paid for.

Face it, Honda does not need another 9K bike. They need lower price range models. The price of bikes is going up considerably every year. They need models to attract new riders with reasonable price tags.
Mike didn't say it, but anyway.

As far as the low price bikes, I disagree. Plenty of young squids seem to manage the purchase and destruction of 1000cc machines with some expensive mods. Let em have those.
I'll pay a little more for a naked with a little more.

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Anyone got any Hornet stickers I can put on my ZX10R?
If you promise to take a pic and post it, I can send you one. PM me with your address.

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Crap ! I don't feel like digging through my stack of cycle mags but I remember one that had an orange and silver suzuki with a six cylinder in it. It was a concept bike but it had good lines without being overly futuristic. I'll dig a little but y'all will prob beat me to it.
'tis the kind of bike I would want.

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Answer this question. Why was/is Yamaha so damn successful with the FZ1 while Honda's 919 sales sucked?

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More power and a fairing ? I'm no marketing guru so......


Anyway, this: http://www.gizmag.com/go/4770/gallery/

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Answer this question. Why was/is Yamaha so damn successful with the FZ1 while Honda's 919 sales sucked?
Cheap suspension, a steel backbone frame, and the ubitiquious "release it, don't upgrade it, and drop it" mentality. See Superhawk.

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How is anything going to compete with the B-King anyway. (Fast, butt ugly)

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Sorry about saying Mike.... My ooopppsss......

In all seriousness... the appeal of naked bike to me is simplicity. Superbikes are all about power and technology. And yes, making power and putting that power to the ground is lots of technology.

In the bikes I have owned, my favorite two have been my Tiger and Bandit. Both are roughly falling into the naked category. Both are retuned sportbike engines. Both are smoother running and more reliable than the five sportbikes I have owned.

I think maybe manufacturers should test marker a High Performance model of certain bikes to feel the market out. I do not think it would make good business sense. If the aprilia is so great, then why are there so few?

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If the aprilia is so great, then why are there so few?
Who said Aprilia is so great? Maybe it was TuonoR6!!!

IMO: The Tuono does not sell well to the masses for the same reason as Triumph, MV Agusta, Buell, Ducati et al. You can fill in the blanks(cost, parts availability, European, reliability, blank, blank, blank)

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I just talked to the manager of my local Honda dealer yesterday and he had just got back from a Honda dealers meeting and said that the new version of the 919 will out for '08. He said the new one will be based on the 1000rr powerplant and we should start seeing pictures of it within a month. I'm wondering if this isn't a way to get opinions and feedback before its official release?

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Well, I bought my niner over a euro bike for dealer/repair accessability.

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If we do this throw your ideas out there, but keep in mind I don't think they are looking for a 1000RR without fairings and with handlebars. The 9er was originally conceived as a relatively "inexpensive" machine with low budget suspension, steel frame, and rehashed motor.

I can start with:
$9K - 10K MSRP
Undertail exhaust
Rear suspension - preload and compression damping WITH A LINKED suspension
Front - preload, compression and rebound. USD.
Handlebars
"Conventional" sportbike framed. Do away with the steel backbone.
Keep the rear grabrail, or some way to have luggage attachment points.
Move the fuggin horn under the triple trees and give it some more beef.
Keep the tach and speedo analog.
Gear indication.

Hasbeenracer, you need to be our liason man! Do us proud.
So if I understand you correctly, you want a 1000RR without all the plastic and handlebars.
The question was asked why the FZ1 sells while the 919 sits -- simple: it has a fairing and a narrower powerband which makes it feel faster. Every magazine comparison between the two listed the 919's lack of a fairing as a major downside, which simply tells me those test riders are a bunch of wimps! Seriously, having ridden the FZ1 and followed one on a twisty road where I swear I could see the rear wheel deflect coming out of corners, I can say I'm thououghly unimpressed with its handling, power delivery, weight, and frame design. Oh, the fairing is fairly protective, and it looks fancy, but I would be disappointed if Honda followed that route.
What I'm looking for is a full litre motor with a continuation of the miles wide powerband, a taller 6th "touring gear", a slightly beefed up steel chassis while showing as little of it as possible, keeping the "sit up and beg" riding position, very little or no fairing, as light as possible, improved attachment points for cargo handling, A FULL TOOL KIT!!!!, two helmet locks that are worth a damn, front brakes that don't squeal/howl (DUH!), and plain jane adjustable suspension. They can do pretty much what they want with the styling without going too outlandish, hell, give it to the Italians in this department -- they do a fine job in this regard. Oh, and keep it well under 10 grand.
No sweat. I certainly would like to see what Honda has in mind for the next version first hand, but since I bought used they don't know I exist, so that's unlikely. Hasbeenracer, the ball's in your court -- post opinions and pictures as soon as possible.

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I'm definitely going. If any of the SO. CAL guys want to go, heres the number to call 800-308-3575 ext.102 The guy I talked to was Luke.

Mikey,Robtharlson,sugs,socal919,05919er and Bigdaa(if ya wanna make the drive down from Goleta) what do you guys think?

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I'm totally up for that! I called the number and just got voice mail(you have to wait a while through the silence), Saturday and all.

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So if I understand you correctly, you want a 1000RR without all the plastic and handlebars.
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You see anything in my post about a 1000RR motor?

Personally I'd rather see it a twin, but I don't think that qualifies as an upgrade to a 919.

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Don't paint the thing flat black or flat grey for crying out loud. Give it some color!

75 pounds torq, 120hp, light weight, good suspention.

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I got a call on that one as well. had to pass as I'll be working that weekend! Same program, super secret review for $50 and special gift. Would have liked to go... just not possible with my work schedule.


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Wow, that's like someone paying you to bone Jessica Simpson. A real no brainer.

How can it compete with the B-King? Easy, make it less than 13K and better quality.

The magazine people complaining about the lack of wind protection are stupid. It's like riding a harly and complaining about forward foot controls. Or riding an RR and complaining about the lack of a handlebar.

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I got a call on that one as well. had to pass as I'll be working that weekend! Same program, super secret review for $50 and special gift. Would have liked to go... just not possible with my work schedule.

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I would like to see a 919 version of the Hornet Cup 600 only street legal. Basically the same bike with a few miner changes just to spice it up. A small simple headlight/fairing to give the nose a sportier look and I would be happy.

I'm just afraid that if they boost the performance of the bike, the insurance companies will catch on to what a fun bike it is to ride and put it in the "high risk" category.

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Naked, or crashed and stripped?

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You see anything in my post about a 1000RR motor?
I had to go back and reread it, and no, there isn't. It is, however, a natural inference given the other preferences: "conventional" sportbike aluminum perimeter chassis, USD forks, link rear shock, and undertail exhaust. This is something Honda must avoid at all costs: an ecdysiastic attempt at a naked bike that looks for all the world like there was a strike at the supplier of plastic, so they bolted on some standard components, called it a CB1000RRF or somesuch, and hoped nobody would notice the resemblance. Any bets on how long it would take aftermarket fiberglass companies to ramp up production of full fairing kits? Nope, it has to be a bike unique to itself regardless of whatever source the parts originally came from. I have already listed my preferences, and all would enhance its nakedness, well with the possible exception of more beans from the motor, but if Honda in their infinite wisdom thought it would be a good idea who am I to argue?
I have put in a call to Luke's voice mail which I will follow up Monday with my DPTS number: it couldn't hurt!

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