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My first impressions of my 919

Okay, I've had my 919 for a few weeks now and thought I give my first impressions of it. I have 2 main issues about the bike.
1) The seat sucks!
2) The seat sucks!

Other than that, the bike is awsome. It is so easy to ride. The guy I bought it from let me take it for a spin around the block, I jumped on it an took off as if I'd been riding the bike for years. Handles like a dream (compaired to my VTX1800 I sold) and so far seems to be getting great MPG. I'm getting the seat reworked to be more a saddle and not so much of a angle into the tank (I'm not big on sitting on my nads ). Once that issue is resolved, I'll be ready for a longer ride. Once I have a MPG, I'll post it also. Well, I need to head to work, it's 45 degrees and I'm riding...Brrrrrr.

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What is your height/weight? I really like the stock seat.

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Okay, I've had my 919 for a few weeks now and thought I give my first impressions of it. I have 2 main issues about the bike.
1) The seat sucks!
2) The seat sucks!

Other than that, the bike is awsome. It is so easy to ride. The guy I bought it from let me take it for a spin around the block, I jumped on it an took off as if I'd been riding the bike for years. Handles like a dream (compaired to my VTX1800 I sold) and so far seems to be getting great MPG. I'm getting the seat reworked to be more a saddle and not so much of a angle into the tank (I'm not big on sitting on my nads ). Once that issue is resolved, I'll be ready for a longer ride. Once I have a MPG, I'll post it also. Well, I need to head to work, it's 45 degrees and I'm riding...Brrrrrr.
Had a VTX 1800c and agree the 919 is a totally different world. But considering there is a 300 plus pound weight difference... And yes, the stock seat SUCKS! But all stock Honda seats suck.

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Congrats on the bike. You're right, it is easy to ride.

I never had a problem with the seat, and I did several 8-12 hour rides. Is used to do a lot of mountain biking and compared to a bicycle seat, the 919 seat is a LazyBoy!

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Your first impression matches mine when I first got the bike. Very easy to ride and any more than an hour in the seat sucked. Hope you can get it re-worked to make it better.

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;;; it's 45 degrees and I'm riding...Brrrrrr.
37 here, about a 10 mile commute. Felt GREAT!!!

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I'll agree on the seat, never liked it...but too cheap to do anything about it =P

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I didnt think the stock seat was terrible but, my corbin seems to have more ventilation and that seems to keep your butt cooler which helps with overall comfort especially when it's hot out.. The corbin seat needs to be broken in to be comfortable but, once it fits you like a saddle it seems to be the best option in my opinion. There is the option of removing your cover and sectioning in a gel pad or other memory type foam. Also the spencer seat modification gets good reviews. You'll be without your seat for a bit. same deal with a sargent seat that also uses your seat pan. You couold also buy one of the nicer covers in leather and just cover it in an extra layer of memory foam and that may help. The corbin adds a little heght if you dont specify when ordering. If you buy used it may be slightly more fitted to the original rider but will break in to your fit needs as well.

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I picked up my 919 last Sept. and have ridden about 3k miles on it so far. I almost made a post at one point about how much I LIKED the stock seat, so I guess it really comes down to different people’s preferences, though size and riding position, etc. might have something to do with it too. I’m 36, 5’7”, ~150 lbs.

I have chronic lower back pain / tightness. I also like to take long-ish rides of ~150 - 250 miles regularly, which makes managing that discomfort a challenge sometimes. In the past I would generally stop every 50 miles or so for a couple minutes (or more) to stretch out my creaky back.

My other bike is a ’01 Suzuki SV650 (‘S’ style with clip-ons for its first 11 years and a naked bike with a handlebar as of last summer). The bike I sold in order to make room for the 919 was a Suzuki S50 Boulevard (i.e. Intruder). I found the stock SV seat to be fairly uncomfortable. I bought a gel seat for it way back in ’01 or ’02. That still didn’t do much for my back pain. The stock seat on the Boulevard is a brick. I splurged on a Corbin Gunfighter seat soon after I bought that bike, which unfortunately wasn’t much/any better for me, at least as far as my back tightening up on me during longer rides.

Anyway, my point is that between these 3 bikes that I’ve ridden over the last 12 years or so, the stock 919 seat is by far the most comfortable for me. I find myself extending my time between stops to 75, 100, or even 125 miles or so. A few weeks ago, I was a couple miles from home after a ~235 mile ride, and I was going out of my way to add a few extra detours just to extend the ride a little. On the SV or Boulevard I would have started shortening the route and counting the miles to home 100+ miles ago, if not sooner. I’m really not sure if it’s mostly a matter of the 919 seat being the right level of cushioning for me (i.e. not too firm, not too soft), or if it might just be that this seat doesn’t force me into a more restricted riding position like the smaller SV seat and the contoured Boulevard Corbin seat. Maybe it’s a little of both. I know on the 919, if I start to feel some tightness in my back and hamstrings, I’m able to shift my position forward or back a little which I think helps me loosen up.

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Okay, I've had my 919 for a few weeks now and thought I give my first impressions of it. I have 2 main issues about the bike.
1) The seat sucks!
2) The seat sucks!
Unless you are as small and light as LucilleBrawl or the average Japanese dude, the stock seat is awful. Hence why so many people replace it.

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Huh. 6'2" and about 185 here, and so far I really like the stock seat. It isn't much to look at, but it works well for me.

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I assuming you never put any miles on a Vmax or SV1000.

Those seats suuuuuuuuuuuck..........

Put me the "I like the stock seat" group.

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Thanks for the feedback. I like hearing the different views everyone has. I'm 37, about 5'9" and around 175lbs. The issue with the seat for me is it just seems like it pushes you forward into the tank, which results in a "testicular discomfort" . Every person is made different an is going to fit a seat differently. That's why I'm a big fan of customizing your seat for "you". I had Mean Cit Cycles do my last seat on the VTX and it was great. Saturday morning I'm taking my 919 seat to a guy 5 minutes from me that has an upholstery shop and has done motorcycle seats before. I'm going to see if he can replace the stock foam with something more comfy and level the seat out some so it's more of a saddle. Last weekend I actually reshaped the seat myself and it turned out pretty nice, it just needs to be softer now. At least he can see what I did and use that as a template.
Oh, and as for MPG, the light was starting to come on ocassionaly tonight at 156 miles. I figure it has at least 160-165 in it easy, and I filled it up with the bike on the side stand when I filled up last.

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Send your seat to Spencer , make sure to contact him first as will need pics of you sitting on the bike in the riding position , (you wont regret it) he did a nice job on mine .

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Unless you are as small and light as LucilleBrawl or the average Japanese dude, the stock seat is awful. Hence why so many people replace it.
idk about that...i'm maybe 150lbs spread over a scrawny 6' frame and i don't like it either...though that might be due to a lack of padding on my part

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idk about that...i'm maybe 150lbs spread over a scrawny 6' frame and i don't like it either...though that might be due to a lack of padding on my part
Yep, could be my problem also, "boney butt"

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Send your seat to Spencer , make sure to contact him first as will need pics of you sitting on the bike in the riding position , (you wont regret it) he did a nice job on mine .

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Actually the comfort is not based on your height or weight, as can be seen by everyones comments.
The only people that find them uncomfortable are those with large male organs.
Since the seat was designed by Japanese men, they could not forsee this problem or experience it during testing.
Do some web searching and you will find that this is a well known fact in the scientific community.

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+ 1 on a spencer seat mod. If you get a lamp box 12 x 12 x 48 from a moving store and cut the length to fit it was $15 each way FedEx.

I really like the seat and took my saddle time from 30 minutes 90 min between stretch stops.


That being said I stumbled over a great deal on a Corbin - on short trips so far I prefer the spencer - but going on a medium distance ride this weekend so I'll see how that goes.

You had the same complaint I did about the stock one - too much angle towards the tank- one quick fix for that is to prevent the seat from moving down any further after you sit on it.

If you push down on the front you'll see it drops about 1/2"

I had spencer adjust my foam and that fixed that problem as well.

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Actually the comfort is not based on your height or weight, as can be seen by everyones comments.
The only people that find them uncomfortable are those with large male organs.
Since the seat was designed by Japanese men, they could not forsee this problem or experience it during testing.
Do some web searching and you will find that this is a well known fact in the scientific community.
Hmm I have complaints with stock seat about the discomfort and numbing effect of the stock seat... and if I'm big...that means I should have a Japanese girlfriend

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Hmm I have complaints with stock seat about the discomfort and numbing effect of the stock seat... and if I'm big...that means I should have a Japanese girlfriend
Just proves you are bigger than the average Japanese.

Move to Japan and you could be the Japanese John Holmes!

But of course my post was only meant to be humorous, so I hope no one was offended.

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My other bike is a í01 Suzuki SV650 (ĎSí style with clip-ons for its first 11 years and a naked bike with a handlebar as of last summer). The bike I sold in order to make room for the 919 was a Suzuki S50 Boulevard (i.e. Intruder).

Anyway, my point is that between these 3 bikes that Iíve ridden over the last 12 years or so, the stock 919 seat is by far the most comfortable for me.

Iím really not sure if itís mostly a matter of the 919 seat being the right level of cushioning for me (i.e. not too firm, not too soft), or if it might just be that this seat doesnít force me into a more restricted riding position like the smaller SV seat and the contoured Boulevard Corbin seat. Maybe itís a little of both. I know on the 919, if I start to feel some tightness in my back and hamstrings, Iím able to shift my position forward or back a little which I think helps me loosen up.
A lot of the problem is not the seat but the riding position, on the 919 or any bike. I have almost identical issues (back) and bikes (M50 cruiser, SV650, 919) as you. The problem for me with cruisers was that you were "locked in" one position, which would become uncomfortable after a while. Second, the position itself felt like sitting in a recliner and then trying to reach forward to grab the handlebars. Inherently uncomfortable on the lower back.

Bottom line, a lot of "seat" issues really come down to riding position, not foam. BKWildman -- I would encourage you to push your butt farther back on the seat. One key to long-distance comfort on rides is changing positions from time to time. If you dish your seat too much, you'll be locked in and unable to do this. Here's some good info about seat shapes and riding positions:

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High five for new 919 owners!

I've had my 03 almost 2 weeks now (once I got to ride my boyfriend's 599 a few times and that sold me on what bike I was going to move to from my GS500F).

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I think that's one of the best things about both the 599 & 919, it's as if you were daydreaming about the perfect motorcycle and then found out it was real.

As to the seat...lacking the necessary equipment to make testicular endangerment a fear, and also, being 5'3" and 130lbs...but the foam needs replaced for sure, so I definitely want to hear about what kind of new seat you get.

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A lot of the problem is not the seat but the riding position, on the 919 or any bike. I have almost identical issues (back) and bikes (M50 cruiser, SV650, 919) as you. The problem for me with cruisers was that you were "locked in" one position, which would become uncomfortable after a while. Second, the position itself felt like sitting in a recliner and then trying to reach forward to grab the handlebars. Inherently uncomfortable on the lower back.

Bottom line, a lot of "seat" issues really come down to riding position, not foam. BKWildman -- I would encourage you to push your butt farther back on the seat. One key to long-distance comfort on rides is changing positions from time to time. If you dish your seat too much, you'll be locked in and unable to do this. Here's some good info about seat shapes and riding positions:

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The S50 really did a number on my hamstrings, which in turn tightened up my lower back and eventually became quite uncomfortable. I blamed it on the more locked in, relaxed/reclined position but never really proved definitively that was the culprit. Good to hear some confirmation for what I suspected.

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i like my seat. but coming from a drz400sm it had a brick for a seat

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Well, I haven't got a new seat and not sure I will. What I did was pull back the seat cover and reshaped it a bit myself. I made it a bit more flat, but not too much, recessed an area in front that would be the "ball smasher". Basiclly, I cuped the area for a bit more breathing room if you will. I made the center part of the seat a bit lower than the outsides, so I sit on my cheeks. Since I removed some foam, I got a new layer about 1/4" thick from a local upholstery shop (didn't even charge me, just said good luck with the project!!) and put that over the top for a little more padding. And the best part is cost me $0!!!! It's not perfect yet, but better than stock for sure. I don't think I'd pay someone else to re-do your seat, it's pretty easy to work with, just take your time.

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The S50 really did a number on my hamstrings, which in turn tightened up my lower back and eventually became quite uncomfortable. I blamed it on the more locked in, relaxed/reclined position but never really proved definitively that was the culprit. Good to hear some confirmation for what I suspected.
I'm with you. I like to compare it to riding a horse. Stirrups hang straight down below the saddle. Pick your feet straight up and that's where they go. It's comfortable and your back is straight. That's basically the riding position on a standard bike like the 919.

Now, imagine if they hung the stirrups up by the horse's neck. It would look ridiculous and be uncomfortable. No one would even think of doing it, yet that's pretty much the riding position on a cruiser. Honestly, I think that's why you see so many cruisers with driver backrests and floorboards and highway pegs and aftermarket seats and everything else. They add all that junk trying to make an uncomfortable position comfortable.

Whenever I started having back issues, that was all my cruiser riding buddies' advice -- buy a bunch of junk. But as soon as I got off the cruiser and onto a bike with a more reasonable riding position, the problem went away.

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I find the stock seat good some days and not so good other days. So i use the Air Hawk and that helps a great deal.i have extended my frame sliders with 1" spacers so i can put my feet or calves on them to stretch my legs forward and then use my pillion pegs to hook my feet on to stretch them back. i also do a bum cheek swap from side to side That way i can ride from tank fill to tank fill quite OK.

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I'm with you. I like to compare it to riding a horse. Stirrups hang straight down below the saddle. Pick your feet straight up and that's where they go. It's comfortable and your back is straight. That's basically the riding position on a standard bike like the 919.
I'm glad someone else has this comparison - all the people I know who ride bikes and haven't ridden horses scoff at the idea, but really, it's incredibly similar. I'm pretty sure that includes doing wheelies on the 919 - since my instinct is to lean forward when I'm taking off, her front wheel (so far) has stayed on the ground).

That leads to a question, though - what are the advantages & disadvantages of wheelie-ing? Does it give the bike better acceleration? Or is it basically just something for showing off? If I can successfully not-wheelie, for instance, will I be more successful on a drag strip?

Totally aside - would adapting a saddle for a motorcycle seat be useful? Hmmm...

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That leads to a question, though - what are the advantages & disadvantages of wheelie-ing? Does it give the bike better acceleration? Or is it basically just something for showing off? If I can successfully not-wheelie, for instance, will I be more successful on a drag strip?

Totally aside - would adapting a saddle for a motorcycle seat be useful? Hmmm...
Wheeling definitely has no advantage on the drag strip, they wanna keep the front down as much as possible. The advantage is that it makes panties drop

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Wheeling definitely has no advantage on the drag strip, they wanna keep the front down as much as possible. The advantage is that it makes panties drop
except hers cuz she'd be the one doing the wheelie

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Yep, could be my problem also, "boney butt"
thats the way i feel about the stock,
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except hers cuz she'd be the one doing the wheelie
then she'll be making the sidewalk look like the KOA with all the dudes pitchin tents looking at her wheelying skills.

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then she'll be making the sidewalk look like the KOA with all the dudes pitchin tents looking at her wheelying skills.
Lulzors...

Anyway, I don't need wheelies to make panties drop. Just the inrush of air into the vacuum I leave as I ride past pulls them off. Isn't that what bar-end mirrors are for?

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