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Let the Conversion Begin

I ordered a Yoshi can yesterday and it looks like it's out for delivery as we speak. That inspired to me get everything prepped. Got all the tools lined up, gaskets in place, and cleaned/painted the CBR900rr header to cover up the scuffs. The guy I got it from wasn't kidding when he said it was like new. Here are some pics to get the day started.
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Nice! Looking forward to seeing the completed bike.

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This may turn into a semi-build thread. I'll see how well I document stuff

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It's a pretty easy swap, just be veeeeery careful with the nuts and studs for the headers.

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It's a pretty easy swap, just be veeeeery careful with the nuts and studs for the headers.
Got them soaking in PB Blaster as we speak.

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Got them soaking in PB Blaster as we speak.
That'll definitely help.

I ended up replacing all of my studs and nuts, two of them stripped out so I just said "screw it" and did all of them.

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That'll definitely help.

I ended up replacing all of my studs and nuts, two of them stripped out so I just said "screw it" and did all of them.
All the studs came out with the exception of 1. I may just replace them.

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Well, 2.5 hours in and I am done for the night. Unfortunately, the copper gaskets that the dealership sold me did not fit. They were too big. I thought I would give them a shot, but, they didn't seal, as expected. Oh well. I will have to make another run to the dealership to get new ones tomorrow. Hopefully they give me my money back/exchange them at no charge.

As for taking the old exhaust off, it was fairly easy. The mid pipe disconnected with little fuss from the header. I cut the Y pipe since I will not be going back to it, and, I can always get a replacement off ebay, if I really want one at some point down the road. I also managed to finagle a bracket to hold the can at the foot rest. Here are some pics of the progress. More to come tomorrow.
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More pics.
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Do you want to sell your front portion of the pipes you took off?

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Do you want to sell your front portion of the pipes you took off?
At this point, I would like to hold onto it. Thanks for asking though. I am a firm believer that everything I take off the bike should be held onto so that it could be turned to back to stock some day. I learned this when trying to find an OEM exhaust for my CB550. The one that didn't end up being a cafe.

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All DONE!!! Thanks HeliMech and others for their advice, and support.

Lessons learned.

1. Make sure you buy the right parts I got copper crush gaskets for a CBR900rr. The guy thought I was looking for those and I didn't bother checking. Oh well, they took care of me and exchanged them for the ones I needed.

2. If going the bolt on route, a muffler gasket is required.

3. Taking out the Y-Pipe is easy with a cutting wheel on a dremel. If not saving it, it's a good option. No need to remove the shock or jack up motor. Just a rear wheel stand.

4. PB Blaster on the studs/bolts. When you think it's enough, add more.

5. The new header is easier to bolt up with the radiator removed. A second set of hands helps a little too, but, not necessary.

6. You can use the plate that holds the outside of the luggage bracket as a mounting point. Just remove the rear screw, loosed the front, and mount her up!

7. 96-99 GSXR750 cans bolt right up.

I took it for a spin to see how it runs and its really nice. The combo of flapper mod, the 20000 pound weight loss of losing stock cans, and the lower center of gravity make it run MUCH smoother and handle way better. Its peppier, yet smoother. More responsive. I will post a pics and video of her running tomorrow.

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So, here is the finished product.





This is a closeup of the bracket mount.





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Looks great! Nice work ... thats basically the same set up i run and i love it. =)

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Looks great! Nice work ... thats basically the same set up i run and i love it. =)
Thank you! The mile ride last night was fun. I am satisfied with the results and excited to ride to work tomorrow. Its 20 miles one way, little traffic, and mostly back highways. Last thing left is to install the PAIRS plates. At some point, I want to paint or wrap the bike, but, that will be way down the road. I may throw on a new brake pedal, clutch cover cover, alternator cover, and new switches as the ones that I have are either nicked up from the PO dropping it or faded by the sun. Then a new MC and braided brake lines. Then....... The list just goes on. LOL

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is jacking up the bike to remove the shock and take the y-pipe that difficult?

i'm getting things together and hope to be doing the conversion this weekend

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is jacking up the bike to remove the shock and take the y-pipe that difficult?

i'm getting things together and hope to be doing the conversion this weekend
It's not THAT difficult. More of a pain than anything. It's just more crap to remove. I didn't remove the shock, instead, I used my dremel to cut off one of the arms at the Y junction. Once that arm was gone, it literally fell out of the bottom. Took 3 minutes. That said, if you ever want to use your Y pipe again, go the shock removal route.


All in all, without my hiccup of having wrong gaskets, its a 3-4 hour job, taking your time and being careful.

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I just pivoted it up on the sidestand and had a helper do the unbolting and y-pipe removal bits. Piece of cake, just takes a few minutes. If your garage has exposed rafters, you could tie it off to those instead. I've done that to replace swingarms and shocks in the past.

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doesn't even look like a 9er anymore :'( *sniff*sniff*

+1 on the mechanical clean-ness though

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[QUOTE=bartsitarski;1056361]That said, if you ever want to use your Y pipe again, go the shock removal route.



Yeah, my cheap ness won't let me destroy something like that even if a replacement is easy to come by

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Looks great! What are your thoughts on shortening the muffler?
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Looks good. I like the clean tale. Here is a rough pic of mine. I went with short muffler from Delkevic, since I work literally 2 blocks from them they gave me a sweet deal on header and muffler. Need to finish the mounts next week, still working out details, may borrow from yours.


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Looks good. I like the clean tale. Here is a rough pic of mine. I went with short muffler from Delkevic, since I work literally 2 blocks from them they gave me a sweet deal on header and muffler. Need to finish the mounts next week, still working out details, may borrow from yours.


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Thats a great setup too. I like their stuff, just a bit spendy for me these days. Glad you got a deal!!!

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Here she is running:

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Nice job, clean bike!

So is only one bolt holding the bracket at the rear then? There's no danger it could slowly drift downwards?

Also - did you secure the exhaust at all to the centerstand mount?

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Hey Bart, that's awesome. Your set up is what should have come from the factory.

I like GoJeep's also.

Your set ups have to be lighter than the twin steelies. The lower center of gravity can't hurt, either.

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Nice job, clean bike! So is only one bolt holding the bracket at the rear then? There's no danger it could slowly drift downwards? Also - did you secure the exhaust at all to the centerstand mount?
It's just attached at the back. I am watching it but no issues so far. As for the center stand mounts, I would have to remove and reweld a bracket. We'll see how this holds up.

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Hey Bart, that's awesome. Your set up is what should have come from the factory. I like GoJeep's also. Your set ups have to be lighter than the twin steelies. The lower center of gravity can't hurt, either.
Thank you! If I had to guess, I bet it's 20lbs lighter. The stock cans are outrageously heavy.

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Thank you!

And what exactly was your search string (I assume here you bought your header on eBay) when searching for the exhaust? If I search for "cbr900 exhaust", I don't get that many results. "CBR900 header" gives me tons of results, a fair bit OEM as well and for acceptable prices, but almost all seem to be missing a midpipe.

And why would you not pick a cbr900 slip-on?

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Thank you!

And what exactly was your search string (I assume here you bought your header on eBay) when searching for the exhaust? If I search for "cbr900 exhaust", I don't get that many results. "CBR900 header" gives me tons of results, a fair bit OEM as well and for acceptable prices, but almost all seem to be missing a midpipe.

And why would you not pick a cbr900 slip-on?

Thanks!
I did get it on ebay. I searched 2 ways; "cbr900rr header" and "cbr900rr exhaust". I got a mixed bag of OEM and aftermarket. All the OEM take offs were in pretty poor shape with the exception of the one that I got, and that one came up a few weeks into my search. Concerning the mid-pipe, there isn't one persee. The can bolts right up to to the "header" as it's all one piece. Just make sure its for a 93-1999. The ones for 200, 2001 will not fit. Also, a point to make about aftermarket, some will fit, some will not. Its a 50/50 shot because the CBR900rr did not have a crossbar that went in from the motor like the 919 does. The OEM CBR900rr header will clear that crossbar, some aftermarket ones, like Vance and Hines will not. Just something to consider when searching. Finally, concerning the can, there are a few options. You can go with a bolt on for a CBR900rr like I did. It bolts right up, no modification needed. Option 2 is a bolt on for a 96-99 GSXR750. It uses the same bolt pattern as the CBR900rr and gives you a couple different options for can styles without modifying the pipe. Option 3 is to cut off the flange that the cans bolt up to and use any slip on that has the corresponding diameter inlet. The pipe outlet diameter is 61mm so the can should have a 63mm inlet diameter.

Here is an example of a header that will work.
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Hope all of this helps.

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It most certainly does, thanks. It's the 93-99 requirement piece that made it all fall into place. The ones I thought were "incomplete" were actually the more modern ones, such as :

00 01 Honda CBR929RR CBR 929 RR CBR 900 RR Exhaust Muffler Header Pipe Manifold | eBay

But at the price of the one you linked, wouldn't one be better off going for Delkevic? Or what are your thoughts on this? One thing's for sure, the angle one yours is spot-on - the canister perfectly matches up with the tail.

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It most certainly does, thanks. It's the 93-99 requirement piece that made it all fall into place. The ones I thought were "incomplete" were actually the more modern ones, such as :

00 01 Honda CBR929RR CBR 929 RR CBR 900 RR Exhaust Muffler Header Pipe Manifold | eBay

But at the price of the one you linked, wouldn't one be better off going for Delkevic? Or what are your thoughts on this? One thing's for sure, the angle one yours is spot-on - the canister perfectly matches up with the tail.
Yep. I made the same mistake when I started to research. As for the Delkevic, yes. For that price, I would go the Delkevic route. They are nice headers, they clear the crossmember (sometimes you have to fight with it to get the pipes to line up just right) and are in the same ballpark price wise. That said, I did not pay near that much for mine. You just have to be patient and keep looking. There are deals to be had.

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It most certainly does, thanks. It's the 93-99 requirement piece that made it all fall into place. The ones I thought were "incomplete" were actually the more modern ones, such as : 00 01 Honda CBR929RR CBR 929 RR CBR 900 RR Exhaust Muffler Header Pipe Manifold | eBay But at the price of the one you linked, wouldn't one be better off going for Delkevic? Or what are your thoughts on this? One thing's for sure, the angle one yours is spot-on - the canister perfectly matches up with the tail.
The delkevic bolts up pretty easy. Call them direct and you can get a better deal than the Amazon pricing I think. On the delkevic the bolting flange slips on and secures with a clamp, I just slipped it off and had a muffler shop make me a small piece of pipe to fit the delkevic muffler.
I can get you pics if you want. I can always go to a bolt on easily without welding or cutting.

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OK, thanks for the tip. Pics would definitely help, if you're up for it.

Although - just stumbled upon this, and I personally think I prefer this solution :

https://www.wristtwisters.com/forums/...pics-9107.html

Those Mivv slip-ons are gorgeous, I think. Restore a proper sense of proportion to the bike, methinks - but the CBR conversion is also very alluring! Decisions, decisions...and I haven't even bought the bike yet! =)

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OK, thanks for the tip. Pics would definitely help, if you're up for it. Although - just stumbled upon this, and I personally think I prefer this solution : https://www.wristtwisters.com/forums/...pics-9107.html Those Mivv slip-ons are gorgeous, I think. Restore a proper sense of proportion to the bike, methinks - but the CBR conversion is also very alluring! Decisions, decisions...and I haven't even bought the bike yet! =)
Understand that. You will need to check the bike out. Mine had the exhaust smell. Every time I rode the back pack and jacket would wreak, so I went low mount. Didn't want to take a chance. Will get you some pics tonight.

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Mine had the exhaust smell. Every time I rode the back pack and jacket would wreak, so I went low mount.
This was my main driving force. I work in an office setting and had people complaining about it. It was pretty bad. Now it's all gone

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A little advise for those planning on doing this in the future. Buy a nut splitter and new nuts before you start. That way you can split the old nuts for the header then clean up the studs with a dye. that way you are in no danger of stripping threads in the head etc.

This is a great mod to do. When I had mine it worked very well.

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That's a good point about the smell. I guess I'd be better off to ride the bike for a bit before ordering parts! The smell might indeed be part of the deciding factor.

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GoJeep, any luck on those pictures?

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