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post #1 of 60 Old 01-13-2010, 06:00 PM Thread Starter
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individual pod filters

anyone run a set up of 4 individual pod filters on the 919? just curioues if it has been done, or what kind of possible affects, positive or negative, it could have on the bike.

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post #2 of 60 Old 01-13-2010, 06:04 PM
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Don't do it.
This will not work effectively at all.
The fuel injection system relies on the airbox mounted IAT (Inlet Air Temperature) and MAP (Manifold Absolute Pressure) sensors to do never ending mass flow corrections for the ECU, which responds by modulating the fuel injector pulse widths in order to give you the correct amount of fuel injected. (Other inputs are ECT ((Engine Cooling Temperature sensor)), TPS (( Throttle Position Sensor)) and RPMs.
Not only that, some individual pods can actually reduce flow into the injector body, due to poor air flow / aerodynamic properties.
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I should have added<sarcasm> to my post

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Have a nice evening MM, and yours was clearly a "gotcha".

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I think you'd also find you'd be sucking warmer air from behind the cylinders than you do from the side of the bike. Sounds like a bad idea for this FI bike for sure!

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Side mount velocity stack or ram air

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ok, scratch that idea lol

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ok, scratch that idea lol
take the cover of the airbox off, bolt up a ram air type setup, then add a pod to that. then you keep everything MM talked about and you get a pod as well.

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Hmm, this is funny. For the 919, MAP sensor is external to the airbox are they not? If I recall, they are connect directly to the throttle bodies. And IAT can easily be mounted to any one of the pod filters. I know this is an old thread. But I dislike how people discourage others from modding just because they don't like it or not capable of doing it.

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Hmm, this is funny. For the 919, MAP sensor is external to the airbox are they not? If I recall, they are connect directly to the throttle bodies. And IAT can easily be mounted to any one of the pod filters. I know this is an old thread. But I dislike how people discourage others from modding just because they don't like it or not capable of doing it.

You're oh so right.

Individual filters would work great, just remove the fool injection, add a set of carbs and call it good.

Just don't complain about the huge hole in the powerband, or any of the other reasons that no one runs them any longer - they don't work as well as a modern, well designed resonance chamber aka the airbox.

We're not complainers, we're modifiers! And that flat spot makes the engine feel like it has a real powerband, just like the good old daze!

You're right, no one should ever discourage anyone from doing anything that will have a totally negative effect on their motorcycle, just does not make sense, jeez, what are these people thinking!

Reminds me of when I tried to talk my sister out of voting for Obama. It was not happening, she was totally mesmerized by him.

She feels beyond stupid now, probably a similar feeling to how it would feel to putting individual air pods on a 919 and having to live with the results.


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You're oh so right.

Individual filters would work great, just remove the fool injection, add a set of carbs and call it good.

Just don't complain about the huge hole in the powerband, or any of the other reasons that no one runs them any longer - they don't work as well as a modern, well designed resonance chamber aka the airbox.

We're not complainers, we're modifiers! And that flat spot makes the engine feel like it has a real powerband, just like the good old daze!

You're right, no one should ever discourage anyone from doing anything that will have a totally negative effect on their motorcycle, just does not make sense, jeez, what are these people thinking!

Reminds me of when I tried to talk my sister out of voting for Obama. It was not happening, she was totally mesmerized by him.

She feels beyond stupid now, probably a similar feeling to how it would feel to putting individual air pods on a 919 and having to live with the results.

You know steve, there are times when your contributions are less than helpful... and then there are posts like this where you really redeem yourself and I'm glad you're around to say something so I don't have to...

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Right, because all pro racer use OEM airbox... All motogp bikes use oem airbox as welll... And no one can do any better... That's not even the point. The whole point of doing it is modifying it to your own taste, whatever that is... Again, don't judge it just because YOU don't like it.

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Right, because all pro racer use OEM airbox... All motogp bikes use oem airbox as welll... And no one can do any better... That's not even the point. The whole point of doing it is modifying it to your own taste, whatever that is... Again, don't judge it just because YOU don't like it.
The point is, if you want to make your bike worse for... I guess I don't know why you'd want pod filters? Looks? becuase you have nothing better to do? That's your prerogative... it's our prerogative to tell you you're stupid... becuase it would be... Next thing you're going to tell us is that we should lower our bikes and our cars cuz hellaflush is super cool

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But then the air filter pods will blind other drivers....

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You know steve, there are times when your contributions are less than helpful... and then there are posts like this where you really redeem yourself and I'm glad you're around to say something so I don't have to...
the best part..... you probably don't even realize that this isn't the first post Steve made in this thread

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the best part..... you probably don't even realize that this isn't the first post Steve made in this thread
So that's what he was called before he got banned....

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So that's what he was called before he got banned....
He got banned? Again? I guess we should expect to see a new member named NotSteve soon. :P

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He got banned? Again? I guess we should expect to see a new member named NotSteve soon. :P
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The point is, if you want to make your bike worse for... I guess I don't know why you'd want pod filters? Looks? becuase you have nothing better to do? That's your prerogative... it's our prerogative to tell you you're stupid... becuase it would be... Next thing you're going to tell us is that we should lower our bikes and our cars cuz hellaflush is super cool
People think motorcycle is stupid. Why would you remove two wheels when four gives you better traction, safety and control? Did that stop you? Should I call you stupid too? Because its hella cool being on 2 instead of 4? Yea...Maybe you just need to understand what perspective means.

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People think motorcycle is stupid. Why would you remove two wheels when four gives you better traction, safety and control? Did that stop you? Should I call you stupid too? Because its hella cool being on 2 instead of 4? Yea...Maybe you just need to understand what perspective means.
I'm not sure that that is really the same thing... also, I have much better traction and control on my bike than in any of my four wheeled vehicles. and you could call me stupid, but then you'd be a hipocrite becuase you ride as well... when people that do the same things think something is stupid they have a little more validity than someone who knows nothing about something saying it's stupid

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No not really. The best 4 wheeler will always be better than the best 2 wheeler in terms of handling and performance. The physics is clear.

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No not really. The best 4 wheeler will always be better than the best 2 wheeler in terms of handling and performance. The physics is clear.
I was unaware that I own lamborghini... And even then I find it hard to believe that a car will beat a bike... regardless, I said nothing about the best vs the best.. I said my bike vs my vehicles.

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Well I think its stupid that you got a 919 instead of the 900rr. Same displacement but you lost so much top end. Yea, honda is so stupid for making the 919. Why would they sacrifice so much? They should have known better to only allow the best to be on the market.

The point is that people will think anything they don't like as stupid. Nothing wrong with pod filters of its done right. Not being optimal is not wrong either. Its just not the best.

Again, different perference doesn't make you stupid.

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Right, because all pro racer use OEM airbox... All motogp bikes use oem airbox as welll... And no one can do any better... That's not even the point. The whole point of doing it is modifying it to your own taste, whatever that is... Again, don't judge it just because YOU don't like it.
It sounds like you are the one doing the judging.

All I did was state a few facts.

Do whatever you want, Lord knows I have - and will continue to do so.



To each their own

And if I want to state a few facts, then be accused of being judgmental, so what - It's the internet, I have no idea who you are. I know that it appears you have some great skills in making some really cool parts.

Like many bolt on parts - it's not going to make better power, and in fact, it might hurt overall performance.

That's never stopped anyone before, sure isn't going to in the future. Some worship style, some power, others -

MOTORCYCLES

I remember working as a service manager and having to install those really cool fake supercharger air filters, with the vacuum operated throttle plates, in the front -

They killed power, but they sure looked cool.

Ramble mode off -

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Well I think its stupid that you got a 919 instead of the 900rr. Same displacement but you lost so much top end. Yea, honda is so stupid for making the 919. Why would they sacrifice so much? They should have known better to only allow the best to be on the market.

The point is that people will think anything they don't like as stupid. Nothing wrong with pod filters of its done right. Not being optimal is not wrong either. Its just not the best.

Again, different perference doesn't make you stupid.


Posts like that might make you look stupid though



Get over it and move on. Show us the filters on your bike, tell us how it works, suck it up and get back to contributing more cool stuff.

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Check this out - Boston Dynamics: Dedicated to the Science and Art of How Things Move.

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Posts like that might make you look stupid though



Get over it and move on. Show us the filters on your bike, tell us how it works, suck it up and get back to contributing more cool stuff.
If my mockery sounded stupid, then I made my point.

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If my mockery sounded stupid, then I made my point.
You did made yourself sound stupid.

If that was your point, you made it, "for sure for sure"


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The point is that people will think anything they don't like as stupid. Nothing wrong with pod filters of its done right. Not being optimal is not wrong either. Its just not the best.

Again, different perference doesn't make you stupid.
No it is stupid.

The airbox on the 919 does have a specific tuned resonance to compliment the size of the throttle bodies, tract lengths and cam phasing. Altering that resonance will move your power curves around in a fashion that is not beneficial to the mid-range response the engine was designed for.

You are correct MotoGP bikes do not use OEM airboxes, because MotoGP bikes are prototypes purposely and by the rulebook not built on OEM platforms. Their airboxes are designed to work with the specific engine requirements for each bike. WSBK machines use altered airboxes also to conform to the needs of the engines which are derived from production bikes, but vastly altered. There are however several Superstock & Supersport classes that do indeed use the OEM airboxes.

Here is an article I wrote after years of testing different air filters on various bikes.
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This is a test of a larger volume aftermarket airbox on an otherwise stock engine that actually loses horsepower compared to the OEM airbox.
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Again, different perference doesn't make you stupid.
Indeed, different preference does not make you stupid... being stupid sure does though...

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I want ram air for my 9'er. Free horsepower right there.

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If you route the under seat exhaust just right -

Add a secondary fuel injection system for some Mystery Oil -

You could truly blow smoke up your own arse!

Combine that with the rickard919 ram air, you'll have a 250mph 919!

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LDH, excellent info. Thanks for that. But was it stupid for you to try that out? Why did you do it anyways?

What the other two clowns don't understand is that I am fully aware of how OEM airbox is tuned for a specific powerband. Not all OEM airbox are optimal either, it doesnt make these manufacturers stupid for not having the best. All I am saying is let people try what they want. Downgrading isnt exactly stupid. Now they are still trying to convince me that I don't understand that pods will change the performance and that they are somehow less stupid than I am.

Stupid is if you sheepishly follow what people on forums says and not fully understand what's at stake.

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LDH, excellent info. Thanks for that. But was it stupid for you to try that out? Why did you do it anyways?

What the other two clowns don't understand is that I am fully aware of how OEM airbox is tuned for a specific powerband. Not all OEM airbox are optimal either, it doesnt make these manufacturers stupid for not having the best. All I am saying is let people try what they want. Downgrading isnt exactly stupid. Now they are still trying to convince me that I don't understand that pods will change the performance and that they are somehow less stupid than I am.

Stupid is if you sheepishly follow what people on forums says and not fully understand what's at stake.
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