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Honda 919 Power Question

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I have a 2003 919 that I recently fixed and now have a question about their power.

When I bought the bike the fuel pump would not engage. After chasing wires I was able to determine it was a bad ECM. The bike now runs, but having never ridden a 919 before I fixed this one I can't tell if its performing 100%. It idles fine at about 1000 RPMs, and has good power in 1st gear, but beyond 1st I would have expected it to have a little more pop. With nearly 100hp I expected this to be at risk of unintended wheelies, but I feel like I could crank the throttle in 1st with no risk of a wheelie. The sprocket has been changed to a 16/46 set up, so maybe that's the issue, but would love advice on other things to possibly look into.

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16 43 is stock. 16 46 should be difficult to keep front wheel on ground.

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My bike came with a dyno sheet showing 107.5 RWHP. I took it to the drag strip and based on the time it ran, I think the dyno numbers are correct or very close. With 16/43 gears it would not lift the wheel in 1st by just rolling on the throttle. Just my opinion... The power starts at such a low RPM and develops in such a smooth linear fashion, the wheel stays planted. And in the end, in stock trim the bikes are fairly quick and fun to ride, but they are not the modern day rocket. Still a great bike. Just my opinion....

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I live in Minnesota, so I don't think elevation would came into play. I may bring it to the dealership and have it put on the dyno.

I may be shifting gears at to low of an RPM. What's the RPM sweet spot on the 919? I typically shift between 5000-6000.

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I live in Minnesota, so I don't think elevation would came into play. I may bring it to the dealership and have it put on the dyno.

I may be shifting gears at to low of an RPM. What's the RPM sweet spot on the 919? I typically shift between 5000-6000.

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I usually sandbag around town, shift up around 4K because I don't really need any more power. But if you're expecting it to fell like it's going to pick up the front wheel shifting at 5K or so is way, way too early.

Here's the dyno results Motorcycle.com got when they tested the 919:


Torque peak is at about 7800. Rev higher.

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i've never been on a big sportbike, but the 919 has plenty of power for me. enough to keep me pretty delicate with the throttle for the first several rides after a winter off. enough to easily travel 2 up. enough to easily do triple digit speeds on the way to work today hehe.

if you're looking for that top end rush, just wind out first or second when you've got a big straight road in front of you.
maybe some of your bike history would help us understand where you're coming from. The 919 is pretty light for it's size, but i think my friends street triple has a better power/weight ratio and that's a 675cc (don't quote me on that but i'm pretty sure it was better or very close).

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Let me ride it around the block a few times and I can tell you if it seems down on power. I had LDH's sprocket mod (don't recall the +/- numbers at the moment, but I thought it was a +1/+1) and I was still able to wheelie... but to do so, you had to crack the throttle pretty good.

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Hi guys,

I have a 2003 919 that I recently fixed and now have a question about their power.

When I bought the bike the fuel pump would not engage. After chasing wires I was able to determine it was a bad ECM. The bike now runs, but having never ridden a 919 before I fixed this one I can't tell if its performing 100%. It idles fine at about 1000 RPMs, and has good power in 1st gear, but beyond 1st I would have expected it to have a little more pop. With nearly 100hp I expected this to be at risk of unintended wheelies, but I feel like I could crank the throttle in 1st with no risk of a wheelie. The sprocket has been changed to a 16/46 set up, so maybe that's the issue, but would love advice on other things to possibly look into.

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I don't know about unintended wheelies, but little floaters over rises in the pavement and a light front end are pretty common for me when hard on the gas... and anywhere in first gear if you give it a good crank the front end comes up with authority...
Edit: I also have the +1/+1 (17/44) gearing and the front end still gets light pretty often... if your bike is 16/46 I would say it should be pretty difficult to keep the front end down...

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Guys, I weigh nearly 260 pounds and with my Hornet I had no difficulty doing a throttle wheelie in first and I could definitely get the tire light enough to feel close to airborne in second so if you can not wheelie in first or second gear by attempting to do so then you are doing something seriously wrong or the bike is running seriously wrong. Not trying to harsh anyone's buzz but I had to exercise a lot of wrist restraint in first and second to keep the wheel down and everything within my grasp of control.

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Guys, I weigh nearly 260 pounds and with my Hornet I had no difficulty doing a throttle wheelie in first and I could definitely get the tire light enough to feel close to airborne in second so if you can not wheelie in first or second gear by attempting to do so then you are doing something seriously wrong or the bike is running seriously wrong. Not trying to harsh anyone's buzz but I had to exercise a lot of wrist restraint in first and second to keep the wheel down and everything within my grasp of control.

Means nothing because heavy riders can alter the weight bias by shifting weight backwards and lightening the front.

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Since I need to quantify, my experience was sitting on the seat in the normal riding position, balls on the tank, so to speak. Arms bent a little, leaning forward over the tank, not weight shifting or pulling back on the bars. Just twisting the throttle and the wheel goes up in first easily, on its own (i.e my fat ass putting more weight forward than a skinny guy). Second does the same but it just doesn't go skyward like it did in first, but definitely light enough to where rolling off the throttle some was the only real way to control steering accurately.

I've also experienced a 4th gear triple digit wheelie (just barely over said triple digits) but that was cause by a combination of inertia (downward motion of hitting a dip on the downside of a hill) and also being at the higher part of the rpms, right around 8700 rpm. I'll admit that time around I was probably scooched back a smidge trying to fight some the wind behind that tiny Buell fly screen I had on it, lol

I can't speak for everyone's Hornet but I know mine had this little smidge of power from about 8700 to 10000 rpm that just seemed like a second rush. Mine would run really hard from down low to about 6500 then it kind of was a little subdued but when it hit over 8500 it was just like popping open a cork and you really had to contain it in first second or third gears to keep from bouncing off the rev limiter and lifting the tire unexpectedly.....

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Well, no lifting in third, but I meant it would bounce the rev limiter fast if you hung it wide open...

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Means nothing because heavy riders can alter the weight bias by shifting weight backwards and lightening the front.
i weigh 160 and can pull the front up in 1st by rolling on the throttle almost on command. 2nd gear pretty easy as well


That stated im a sea level running stock gearing.


I ran 15 / 43 and that was WAY to much...

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If your main concern is doing wheelies then a 919 shouldn't have been your first choice. With that said you should be able to reach 60mph with ~3s on the clock. If you can do that test and not goof the launch then you should have enough power. Good ol butt and watch dyno.

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Means nothing because heavy riders can alter the weight bias by shifting weight backwards and lightening the front.
must be why mine comes up so easily...

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i only wheelie by accident and I've never done one on the 919 or the Super Duke... but that damn Ducati Multistrada will power wheelie 1,2 and 3 if you don't watch it.

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I got it knocked down to a written warning...
I just told him I was blowing off steam after a long day at work... All I got was a warning too

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I'm an old guy with a very grey beard. Got stopped on my st1300 by trooper and was told " slow down you old bastard". I don't want to jinx myself but I have been told to slow down with out getting a ticket several times since qualifying for Medicare several years ago.

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I'm an old guy with a very grey beard. Got stopped on my st1300 by trooper and was told " slow down you old bastard". I don't want to jinx myself but I have been told to slow down with out getting a ticket several times since qualifying for Medicare several years ago.

Still looking for another 919 in CNY.


love this! in my explorer i get passed by old ladies in Prius's all the time due to how slow i drive.

get me on the 9'er and im suddenly a kid again... with a tiny tiny tiny bit more common sense

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love this! in my explorer i get passed by old ladies in Prius's all the time due to how slow i drive.

get me on the 9'er and im suddenly a kid again... with a tiny tiny tiny bit more common sense
Same here. My wife complains that I drive too slow, but ride too fast

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Been away from this thread for awhile. I had someone else who had ridden other 919's come ride mine and he agreed it felt down on power. It seems to idle fine but I can't tell if its firing on all cylinders. Header number 1 seems to only get warm, but never hot like the other 3. Could this be clogged fuel injectors? Something else? Plugs are new and so is the gas. Thanks for the help!

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Check the fpr and maybe plug wires or coils.

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Fixed it!! I feel like an idiot for having not caught this before, but the coil that fires #1 and #4 was not connected. I don't remember ever disconnecting it but I don't think have come off on it's own, so maybe I did at one point as i was chasing wires while diagnosing the original fuel pump issue. Thanks for the help!

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Have you done the Pairs valve removal? Some folks have accidentally unplugged things when doing that, too.

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Have you done the Pairs valve removal? Some folks have accidentally unplugged things when doing that, too.
Pairs mod? Do you know where I can find a video for that?

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