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post #1 of 17 Old 08-14-2014, 04:00 PM Thread Starter
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So I commute on my bike and when it gets up to high temp ( not over heating) when I go to shift from neutral to first it knocks hard. Is this normal because it only does it when it's really good and warm. ??????????

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1st and 2nd gear switches on the 919 (and most Hondas) are known to be snatchy. Some folks report that when this symptom presents itself it's time to change the oil.

But I'd say it's normal - you probably feel quiet a lurch in the bike as you do it right?

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Yeah it jumps a little. It's got fresh oil and it only happens when it's warmed up. I'm not to concerned about just wanted to know it anyone else has this happen to them.

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Yep it's normal especially when stopped. I try to shift to first while still rolling to avoid the clunk.

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Right ! noticed that too if I roll a little it doesn't clunk.

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1st and 2nd gear switches on the 919 (and most Hondas) are known to be snatchy. Some folks report that when this symptom presents itself it's time to change the oil. But I'd say it's normal - you probably feel quiet a lurch in the bike as you do it right?
I noticed this with my 08 600rr before I sold it and experiencing it with the 919 also. I just chalked it up as normal. Either that or the clutch cable needs to be adjusted?

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I think it's a Honda thing. My VFR and Magna do the same thing.



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Mine does the same thing, and I just changed the oil. Thought that would get rid of it. I may try a different brand/type of oil next time but I notice it a lot more on very warm days and after I've been sitting ni traffic a lot so maybe it's just a thing. Sometimes it even bounces me back into neutral unless I really stomp down.

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Glad to know it's not just me. Must be a honda thing

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its not your oil, its not the temps.... its simple mechanics.

your sitting in neutral, trans spinning just as fast as the motor.... you quickly pull in the clutch and slam it in first instantly stopping the trans as the rear wheel is stopped giving you that cluck / bump from behind sensation.

Next time... pull the clutch in, wait a couple seconds before tapping down to first, the clunk will be alot less pronounced as the transmission will spin down some. You can even hold the clutch in too long to where the trans will fully stop and you cant engage 1st as the dog teeth are lined up in just the wrong spot.

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... pull the clutch in, wait a couple seconds before tapping down to first, the clunk will be alot less pronounced as the transmission will spin down some.
If I do this when my oil is cool, I get a nice snick down into first. No clunk at all.

But when the temps are up and [I assume] the clutch plates have warmed and expanded and there's no clearance left, it's Clunk City.

I guess we could call it "character" and learn to live with it, or work around it.

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If I do this when my oil is cool, I get a nice snick down into first. No clunk at all.

But when the temps are up and [I assume] the clutch plates have warmed and expanded and there's no clearance left, it's Clunk City.

I guess we could call it "character" and learn to live with it, or work around it.
Sounds like you need to ttighten your clutch up as its not fully disengaging when warm.

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I don't run much free play in the cable and the take-up point of the clutch is with the lever well out from the bar, so I don't know that there's much scope there.

The clutch isn't dragging, as such, and yet the clunk shows that, as you say, it's not completely disengaging when warm.

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Intertesting I always find the clunk worse when cold as the oil is thicker.

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Yeah, that's what I thought should happen, which is why I've been paying it some attention - I would have thought I could get the snick with the clutch disengaged in warm oil if I waited long enough, but it doesn't happen...

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My original clutch cable had stretched almost to the end of its adjustment before I replaced it. I never had a problem disengaging the clutch but I would have eventually.
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post #17 of 17 Old 08-18-2014, 12:53 PM
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I love the loud "CLACK" sound and feel of the 1st to second shift on my bike. If feels and sounds to me like I'm slamming a rifle bolt closed before I grab another handful of throttle. It's one of my favorite things about my bike.

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