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post #1 of 37 Old 10-19-2007, 07:07 PM Thread Starter
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Handling limits for 919

So...I'm not too aggressive on the turns cause I'm a fairly new rider and don't know my limits nor the limits of my 9'er. However, each time I see a nice sweeper, I gradually increase my speed and lean angle. A couple times I've scraped my shoe, which of course scared the crap out of me. How far can these beasts lean over, assuming good road and tire conditions?

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They will go down very far but.. I dont think the 9er was rly made for that..If you are going that low I would remove the curb fealer off the peg..




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It's good enough to drag a knee. Just concentrate on learning to ride. Really good riders can do amazing things on unlikely bikes.

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How far can these beasts lean over, assuming good road and tire conditions?
If you crash, that was too far.

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Not sure how to respond to this one. If your hitting your foot you are either already going pretty fast or your sitting on the bike way wrong. If its the latter then you need to slow down and practice form before worrying about the handeling limits. She will lean over plenty far enough for the street, especially with the curb feelers removed. Sit on it properly and one can get there knee on the ground.

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First of all, anyone could get their knee on the ground if they just stick it out when leaning. :P Second, "sitting on the bike way wrong" is relative...If you're a pro racer, you could point out a million things about how what a newb is doing wrong....however, if you're a normal rider with a whif of intelligence, I don't really think there is such a thing as "sitting way wrong."

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Remember to ride with the footpegs under the balls of your feet. This should solve the shoe scraping problem. I hope by shoe you meant riding boot.

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So...I'm not too aggressive on the turns cause I'm a fairly new rider and don't know my limits nor the limits of my 9'er. However, each time I see a nice sweeper, I gradually increase my speed and lean angle. A couple times I've scraped my shoe, which of course scared the crap out of me. How far can these beasts lean over, assuming good road and tire conditions?
First learn your limits, then the bike's! Education is the key: on the off chance you haven't yet, take the MSF rider course commensurate with your experience. It will teach you most everything you need to know to come out the other side of a year on the bike with your favorite skin intact. After that, if you really want to learn about the bike's, and your, limits, go to a track day and run with the class that best suits your abilities: curb your ego here! On the track, everyone should run their own pace (which is not to say you can't get embroiled in some excellent dices), and trying to keep up can be hazardous to your health. However, running with more experienced riders on the street is usually a good idea -- they have developed instinctive responses and intuitive awareness of the actions of whatever is around them that looks like clairvoyance, but is actually born of experience and constant observation.
So learn all you can, including the consequences of pushing the limits on the street (hopefully second hand!), and above all have fun.

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If anyone can get a knee on the ground that easily, go out and do it this afternoon and report back.

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First of all, anyone could get their knee on the ground if they just stick it out when leaning. :P Second, "sitting on the bike way wrong" is relative...If you're a pro racer, you could point out a million things about how what a newb is doing wrong....however, if you're a normal rider with a whif of intelligence, I don't really think there is such a thing as "sitting way wrong."
Looks like you already know all about it mate!

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Dragging your knee comes right after dragging your shoe and scaring the crap out of yourself. I'm suprised you haven't done it already.

If you've already done the MSF class, then I'd recommend reading this book:
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I'm with Mr Rob on this one. No limit attempts on the street. You never know from one day to the next how a turn has changed overnight. Especielly at this time of year. 4-wheelers and p/u trucks going in and out of the woods, slinging mud and gravel in a curve can clean your plow in a second. One of our friends here had a very bad one in loose sand recently. Get your safety miles and expierance in so if you do meet fate you may have an outlet to fall back on. Trophy scars are neat for bragging rights, but, man they hurt earning them.

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Of all the people I ride with (a LOT), there are only a few that take the corners faster than me and they have been riding for many many years longer than me. Bud rides with a passenger and has an 11'' extension on his cbr 1000rr's swingarm and he's still the best. The 919 keeps up just barely slower than him in the corners, while we both leave the brand spanking new 600's and 750's behind.

Most of the bikes made today have some extreme limits, but it's all in the rider.

Check out this Goldwing: http://youtube.com/watch?v=jdoHC4l27wQ

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I hear there's a littel ole dude on hear name Mr. Something that can ride a 919? That's just the word on the street.

PM LDH and ask if the 919 has decent limits?

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I hear there's a littel ole dude on hear name Mr. Something that can ride a 919? That's just the word on the street.
there's video...

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PM LDH and ask if the 919 has decent limits?
sub 1:44's at barber fast enuff?
must have been a 'wild' ride...


the 919 handles like it handles...ride it and stop talking about it

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the 919 handles like it handles...ride it and stop talking about it
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I hear there's a littel ole dude on hear name Mr. Something that can ride a 919? That's just the word on the street.

PM LDH and ask if the 919 has decent limits?
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I believe he has an 02' 919 in the mountain rider series. He rides in the northwest.

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Ride with the balls of your feet rather than the arch of your foot on the pegs.

I'd recommend trackdays if you want to start really leaning the bike down. You're just asking for trouble if you ride that aggressively on the street.
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To me, the knee down is the orgasm of motorcycling.

You can get a knee down on the street if you put a little thought into it. Find a nice deserted 20-25 mph-er. Make sure it's clean. Be sure to pick a spot with good run off, if you do lo side. Work your way into it. You'll probably have to go about 60mph. But don't start at 60, start around 40. Make about 5 or 6 passes, and take a break. Even if you don't get a knee down, take pride in the progress you've made.

Another thing you can do, is put the bike on it's sidestand. Lock your handlebar full left. Run a tie-down from the rafters to the handlebar and grabhandle. Practice your "static" riding. You'll probably need a chair or something to put your inside hand on because you don't have centrifical force helping you. The inside of your calf should be right up against the tank.

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Another thing you can do, is put the bike on it's sidestand. Lock your handlebar full left. Run a tie-down from the rafters to the handlebar and grabhandle. Practice your "static" riding. You'll probably need a chair or something to put your inside hand on because you don't have centrifical force helping you. The inside of your calf should be right up against the tank.
I'm sorry, that is the lamest thing I've ever heard

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Neither I, nor Keith Code care if you think it's lame or not.

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Another thing you can do, is put the bike on it's sidestand. Lock your handlebar full left. Run a tie-down from the rafters to the handlebar and grabhandle. Practice your "static" riding. You'll probably need a chair or something to put your inside hand on because you don't have centrifical force helping you. The inside of your calf should be right up against the tank.
Make certain that you make the proper "vrooom vrooom" noises and proper shift pauses. Something like this ... "whaaaaa whaaaaaa, whaaa".

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No disrespect, but if you're asking, you don't need to know.

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Well that's just silly (I have a naturally curious personality).

It's pretty neat seeing the Goldwing taking the twisties like that!

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(I have a naturally curious personality)
That's cool. I didn't mean anything bad. Just sayin' that the best way to find out is to do--you'll know (by your own limits) how well the bike will handle. It's not really something someone can answer cause each rider is different. And (from my own newbie experience), it is best to try and find your limit on the track.

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Testing limits on the track makes sense to me. Where do I find out when and where a track day is?

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California has some cool options for you! Google classrides.com, americansupercamp.com, and spencermotorcycles.com for starters. Those are expensive classes, but a great way to learn and minimize your limits (americansupercamp is a dirt riding school for technique--you'd ride a dirt bike). Option two is cheaper and you ride your bike--check out the websites of your local/regional tracks and see if they have track days scheduled for bikes. You'll have to prep your bike (piece of cake, nothing you can't do and undo in short order) and sign some waivers and have the right riding gear.

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How's this for handling?
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My photographer never got em at their full glory, but here's another.
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Is that the one that goes 170?

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What are you talking about?...I can see wire,

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Yup.

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What are you talking about?...I can see wire,
WHAT?!?!?!

If I had known it was on a wire I woulda done it WAYYY higher!

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Well, WT informed me that "it appears that you have not posted on our forums in several weeks, why not take a few moments to ask a question, help provide a solution or just engage in a conversation with another member in any one of our forums?", so I'm gonna engage.

A year ago when I bought my 919, I was amazed by its capabilities (as opposed to the '78 CB550K I had before it), but didn't really ever see myself putting a knee down or scraping pegs. However, after I started reading a bunch about proper riding position, I could easily see putting a knee down, if I had leathers and pucks, and controlled conditions. It's all about the knowledge, not about nootz. Well, maybe 90% knowledge and 10% nootz.

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Cmel, You obviously now have a capable machine. You're now on fat, sticky radials, not skinny bias crap. So much of riding is body position and confidence. Get leathers and you'll look at asphalt differently. Pucks add an inch or so of "reach". You can do it.

Hanging off feels really weird and awkward at first. It's hard to get right when you're going around a 25mph corner at the speed you'll need to get enough lean to get a knee down, probably 60mph. All that can be a bit much when you're starting out. Break that problem down into 2 parts. Practice your body position while the bike is parked. Think of it lke dry firing a rifle.

Find a good safe, clean corner with plenty of run off, and go practice.

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Cmel, You obviously now have a capable machine. You're now on fat, sticky radials, not skinny bias crap. So much of riding is body position and confidence. Get leathers and you'll look at asphalt differently. Pucks add an inch or so of "reach". You can do it.

Hanging off feels really weird and awkward at first. It's hard to get right when you're going around a 25mph corner at the speed you'll need to get enough lean to get a knee down, probably 60mph. All that can be a bit much when you're starting out. Break that problem down into 2 parts. Practice your body position while the bike is parked. Think of it lke dry firing a rifle.

Find a good safe, clean corner with plenty of run off, and go practice.
Indeed. I've learned a ton about riding over the past year on my 9er. The first time that I really got off the seat and hung off felt really weird, but at the same time, the bike felt much more solid, and felt like it opened up a whole new range of tilt for the bike. I personally don't see any of the "issues" the 9er has (frame flex, etc) because, literally, it's the best, most capable bike I've ridden. I'd love to take it to a track day and really get some good instruction. Probably the greatest 70 or so minutes of riding I've ever done was in my trip out to N. Carolina earlier this summer and rode on 80 miles of the Blue Ridge Pkwy in the morning, and didn't see one single other car. I felt confident, free, and totally trusted the bike. I know I'm not pushing the 9er as hard as it can be pushed, but until I get leathers with pucks, and have time to spend on a track day, I've pushed it as hard as I'm willing to on the street. I've pretty much only got about 1/8" or less of chicken strips, and that's plenty for me, for my ability, right now.

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Nah. I'm in a club called Road Reapers. There are quite a few other military members in it too though.
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