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post #1 of 28 Old 10-05-2006, 06:49 AM Thread Starter
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had it with the headers

Has anyone here got the entire sato exhaust? I know it is an even larger weight reduction and I can't stand my ugly headers any more. That sort of brassy crap is driving me nuts, I'm always trying to polish them instead of riding. What do the sato pipes look like, and are they easy to keep clean?

If I don't replace them totally, I might paint them with engine black and be done with it. Has any one else gone that route?

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post #2 of 28 Old 10-05-2006, 06:50 AM
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You can have the JetHot stearling coating put on.

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+1 with jet hot. If you don't it won't matter what kind of headers you get, they will still oxidize and look crappy. The Jet Hot coating will always look nice. A good deal for all the time they put into them.

You can get different colors as well.

A winter project maybe.

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Assuming you have a 919 (not mentioned) Sato does not sell a complete system for the 919.

Have it coated like bigdaa suggested.

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I have a quote from Jet-Hot from last week. They will do their regular coating (inside and out) for $130. I'm going to tear off the headers this Winter and have it done. I'm not expecting any significant performance advantages, but reduced heat, retarding corrosion and road grime are enough for me to justify a small expense. Plus I'd prefer black headers to the chrome/brass color they are now.

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The best part about Jet Hot is the cool video they send you.

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If I don't replace them totally, I might paint them with engine black and be done with it. Has any one else gone that route?
I'm not sure if it's Jet Hot or engine paint, but I've seen some guys go with black headers on their (black) 919's and it looks pretty damn good! I'm thinking about doing it on my silver 919.

Whatever you decide, be sure to post some pics for us!

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I've done the grill paint on my headers a few times on previous bikes. If you don't clean them well, the paint will look good for a month. If you take your time and sand them good, brush them, clean them, put multiple coats on them, you'll get one riding season out of them before they start to show signs of corrosion.

I've given up on that. I hear standard header paint is no better.

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I've done the grill paint on my headers a few times on previous bikes. If you don't clean them well, the paint will look good for a month. If you take your time and sand them good, brush them, clean them, put multiple coats on them, you'll get one riding season out of them before they start to show signs of corrosion.

I've given up on that. I hear standard header paint is no better.
If you put all that time and effort into it and only get one riding season before they go to hell, that $130 quote from Jet Hot seems like quite the bargain!

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I've done the grill paint on my headers a few times on previous bikes. If you don't clean them well, the paint will look good for a month. If you take your time and sand them good, brush them, clean them, put multiple coats on them, you'll get one riding season out of them before they start to show signs of corrosion.

I've given up on that. I hear standard header paint is no better.
I was jsut going to ask about this... i have some 1000 degree plus rated paint and i was just goiung to brush and sand the hell out of these then paint paint paint. Im trying to balck as much out on my bike as possible and the headers are the next natural step

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The headers on my Hurricane were black paint originally. After 23,000 miles they needed some work. Stripped them down completely, roughed em up, and used a black header paint with ceramic in it. Took them to a buddy's house and baked them. At the end of this season they will have three on them, and they still look like they were just done.

If you do paint them, follow the directions exactly. I got all the old paint off, used the wipedown kit first, followed the painting and curing directions, etc. I think the baking helped more than anything.

I don't know how well the 9er pipes would take to painting. The surface seems really smooth/coated. There was a pic floating around on this site of someone who had done it and it looked good.

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The ceramic might be key. Do you have the name of this stuff?

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Dupli-color High Heat w/ceramic rattle can. It seemed pretty soft before baking. Afterward it took on a really hardened cast. It's done well so far.

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I don't know how well the 9er pipes would take to painting. The surface seems really smooth/coated. There was a pic floating around on this site of someone who had done it and it looked good.
Here's that pic. I don't have a clue whose bike this is.

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wrapping it is an option...

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I remember having a header wrap conversation on my beloved but now hacked and destroyed EX500 site. So, I can't site my source.

Anyway, our senior motorcycle guy FOG (Fast Old Guy), who is very knowledgeable but very impacient and rude (every forum has one), told us that the wrap would make the headers hotter, thus speeding up the oxidation process, ultimately reducting the lifetime of the headers. Makes sense.

But, if headers last 50 years and with the tape they only last 25 years (my own ballpark numbers) it's not really a big deal. I think wrap looks cool but I've been too chicken to actually do it for fear of it looking like crap and not being able to get it off.

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Anyway, our senior motorcycle guy FOG (Fast Old Guy), who is very knowledgeable but very impacient and rude (every forum has one)
*cough*LDH*cough*

I do believe that alaskabucky from Hornet's Nest is running a wrapped header, RD would know for sure. His drag bike is crazy, but if it can run the times he says then a wrapped header doesn't seem to effect performance negatively.

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Was it Bucky that had a old Civic he used to transport the bike to the track? Anyone have a pic of that car?
It's priceless...

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Was it Bucky that had a old Civic he used to transport the bike to the track? Anyone have a pic of that car?
It's priceless...
Yeah that was Bucky, great pic! I think I may have it at home.




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Was it Bucky that had a old Civic he used to transport the bike to the track? Anyone have a pic of that car?
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I love that pic! I have it stashed on my desktop at home.

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I remember having a header wrap conversation on my beloved but now hacked and destroyed EX500 site. So, I can't site my source.

Anyway, our senior motorcycle guy FOG (Fast Old Guy), who is very knowledgeable but very impacient and rude (every forum has one), told us that the wrap would make the headers hotter, thus speeding up the oxidation process, ultimately reducting the lifetime of the headers. Makes sense.

But, if headers last 50 years and with the tape they only last 25 years (my own ballpark numbers) it's not really a big deal. I think wrap looks cool but I've been too chicken to actually do it for fear of it looking like crap and not being able to get it off.
header wrapping is mainly for reducing radiant heat. It also helps scavenge the exhaust gases, which in most cases actually LOWERS header temps.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the scavenging of the gasses was a result of gasses being hotter, due to the wrap containing the heat inside the pipe instead of transfering it to the air outside the wrap.

Old muscle car guys claimed this added a little power.

Edit: found this http://www.centuryperformance.com/heatwraps.asp

food for thought

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I did a quick look thru some old notes...
In MOST cases wrapping a header increases exhaust gas temps, thus creating a higher pressure within the header, helping the gasses to scavenge out to a low pressure (atmosphere). Hence gasses now flowing faster should cause a cooling effect on the header.
Jet coating will also retain radiant temp causing basically the same effect.
There are too many differences; compression, cam lift/duration, head cfm, etc. to determine which one benefits or hinders for ones application...

I'm not saying one is better than the other ... just offering a suggestion.

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Was it Bucky that had a old Civic he used to transport the bike to the track? Anyone have a pic of that car?
It's priceless...
Here ya go.


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That is classic.

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