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For those of you who moved on to a 600

The 919 has basically been my first bike (88 Honda Hawk GT was stolen 30 days into my ownership). I've never ridden a 600 sport bike but feel that if I were to, I would feel as though I've lost a lot of torque to only gain a marginal amount of HP, if any. What have bee your overall thoughts? I realize that the overall temperment of the bike would be a lot sportier in general, but what have been your all's thoughts?

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post #2 of 27 Old 04-07-2010, 12:25 PM
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Like you said, you're going to lose a little torque down low and not gain much top-end. On the other hand, the 600's are going to be a little lighter. If i was looking to upgrade I wouldn't even consider a 600 supersport. You really are not gaining any performance and the ride is terrible compared to a 919. If I'm going to give up the comfort of a 919 then I expect to make up the difference by having a LOT more power. That's just me though.

I will say that the last 600 I rode seemed faster than the 919. I think that had to do with the lightness, high rpms, the riding position, and the sound.

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Yup. Rode a few 600's and thought to myself while riding "this doesn't feel too gutless" then I looked at the tach and I'm doing like 12k rpm's. Oh no wonder. They aren't any faster than a container ship unless you spin them up past 8k rpms.

The chassis are superior and the engines are too under racing conditions, but for street riding the power delivery of the 919 is my favorite so far.

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Yup. Rode a few 600's and thought to myself while riding "this doesn't feel too gutless" then I looked at the tach and I'm doing like 12k rpm's. Oh no wonder. They aren't any faster than a container ship unless you spin them up past 8k rpms.

The chassis are superior and the engines are too under racing conditions, but for street riding the power delivery of the 919 is my favorite so far.
I'm not planning on selling my 919 any time soon, as I am about to start grad school and I can't really afford the insurance on anything sportier. That said, what have people typically moved onto? If I had the money, a Duc 848 seems like a solid step in the right direction without being too big of a jump.

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I have had decent amount of seat time (1,000+ miles) on a 2007 600RR. They are super smooth so you don't 'feel' the revs as bad. With a stock pipe on it, you can't really hear it either.

For me, it isn't terribly uncomfortable, but I'd probably put Heli Bars on one.

As far as torque and such, it pulls hard and is super fast. To me, it was deceptively fast. I don't care if you have to rev it to get into the power. I would think I was running 60 - 65 only to look down and be running almost 90.

People say 600cc sport bikes are for girls...I say they are full of crap. It will power wheelie in first and if you quick shift into 2nd and slip the clutch just a hair as you do, it will stand right up.

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To be honest that is a little unnerving. I don't go full throttle in first usually, as I am still a bit scared of the front coming up. I can't afford to drop my bike dicking around.

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what is most practical for you,? as a naked bike is comfortable for all types of riding. a 600 sport has great handling and top end speed but high end revs and a lot of gear changes becomes tiresome after a while, if you fancy a sport i would go for a 1000, if it has to be a 600 the old cbr600f is a good all rounder. me im going from a 600 hornet to a 900,comfort,torque,cheap and reliable,if i want a little wind protection then possibly a fazer 1000. best to go and test ride as many as possible. have fun

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what is most practical for you,? as a naked bike is comfortable for all types of riding. a 600 sport has great handling and top end speed but high end revs and a lot of gear changes becomes tiresome after a while, if you fancy a sport i would go for a 1000, if it has to be a 600 the old cbr600f is a good all rounder. me im going from a 600 hornet to a 900,comfort,torque,cheap and reliable,if i want a little wind protection then possibly a fazer 1000. best to go and test ride as many as possible. have fun
I agree with the 1000cc comment as long as you have the reserve to ride within your limits. I've heard you can ride them comfortably in town since it has the low end grunt to pull you around without all the shifting that the 600s don't. I also hear that once you open them up, you have very little room for error, and will spin up a rear in a corner with ease.

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I agree with the 1000cc comment as long as you have the reserve to ride within your limits. I've heard you can ride them comfortably in town since it has the low end grunt to pull you around without all the shifting that the 600s don't. I also hear that once you open them up, you have very little room for error, and will spin up a rear in a corner with ease.
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best of both worlds there.but would you miss the comfort, ie seat.

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Maybe I don't know what I've got now, but damn, the 919 seat sucks. My ass goes num pretty quickly.

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Maybe I don't know what I've got now, but damn, the 919 seat sucks. My ass goes num pretty quickly.
Try a stock SV650 seat... holy crap that's terrible. To be honest, the 919 seat is one of the better stock seats I've had. I'm not saying it's great because I get sick of it after about an hour myself.

I agree with other posts... I rode my 919 on the track and the 600's were blowing past me like I was sitting still on the straights. On the street the 919 is one great bike though. I love it.

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Although I've only ridden one 600RR it wasn't to bad, I found myself looking for torque and that's why I liked the 919 for the street. A friend of mine had an 05 Ninja 636, we did little tests until I sold my 9ner, we were pretty much side by side going down straights with myself alittle bit ahead of him, but that came down to the rider (experience) really though they are close, cornering the 600 is alot better.

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Looks like I need to get off my ass and talk a friend into letting me ride his 600.

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When you borrow your buddies 600, take it out for a real ride, not just around the block or around town. Try to take it out for a couple hours on mountain roads, country roads, highways, through town with traffic... - every different type of condition you can find.
Running high rpms may be fun for a little while but you may find you self hating it after 30-40 minutes... or you may have just found a new bike!
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I rode a Triumph 675 Daytona and wondered what the big deal was... It feels gutless compared to the S3... But I started riding other bikes as well like the 919, 848, sv650, sv1000, 1198s, etc... They all feel gutless at low rpm's compared to the S3 except for the 1198s. But really, who has $23,000 to drop on a bike?



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No, I'm saying get rid of the Honda and upgrade to a Triumph Speed Triple... you will thank me later.



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I've a Pearl White `07 CBR600RR with HeliBars, stainless front lines and Sato frame sliders, -2 rear sprocket; LED turn front signals the previous owner put on. Other than that, it is bone stock.

I went 2 teeth smaller on the rear sprocket because I think the engine has enough guts to pull it. It doesn't power wheelie in first like it did with the bigger stock sprocket, But it's not wailing in 6th like it used to, either. On the other hand, spinning that little engine gets to be habit forming in a hurry! The speedo is pretty accurate now, also.

It has a good suspention under it. Not great or perfect, but pretty good. I get tempted from time to time to stick an Ohlins under the thing, but the stock rear shock is pretty ok.

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No, I'm saying get rid of the Honda and upgrade to a Triumph Speed Triple... you will thank me later.
But he forgot to mention a bit jerky and twitchy.

For those that are saying get a 1000 for it to be an upgrade... I am guessing you have minimal experience on a 600 or 1000 cc sportbike.

A new 600 will get to the 60s/70s in first gear.
A new 1000 will get to the 90s in first gear.

-- Already stated 'I am still a bit scared of the front coming up'
A new 1000 will do that in third. Why would he buy a bike he fears through three gears?

SO while you guys discuss dynos and what makes more torque etc...
Please give poor advice and uneducated decisions.

brickonwheels - Good luck with your quest to get a different bike.

ps, I know I got up on the wrong side of the bed... and i am OK with it.
But for those of you recommending someone upgrade to a 160hp bike... think before your respond.

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FWIW, I was riding a CBR600F4 before my 919. The two are pretty close performance wise. What the 919 gives up in weight it makes up for in torque and I could feel that right away. The 919 just "feels" quicker" because of it. 600's are nice because they weigh less than some people I know and have tons of get-up-and-go but the 919 really does it for me. I wouldn't say they are girls bikes, but I much prefer 900cc's with 65lb ft of torque.

If you think the 919 seat is bad, basically a vinyl covered board, the supersport seats are just boards painted black. I bought a Corbin seat and haven't looked back.

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Looks like I need to grow a pair, learn to control the bike when it praises the sky, and try out some other bikes.

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You need to continue to ride within your limits.
A ride with no crash is a good ride.
Figure out what you really want.

Asking the question about comparing to a 600 is a great question and I expected a better response than 'buy this' or 'buy that'

I was expecting something more like this...

With regards to a late model 600 vs the 919 - the difference in power band is where the power comes on. The 600 higher, the 919 lower. Both will get you there faster than need be and both are diffeent kinds of fun.

The biggest difference I see between the two is that the 919 is a forgiving bike. You can give the bike some bad input and be able to recover before you get into too much or a problem. The latest 600s are a different story. The latest 600s are razor shard in their handling and brakes, that poor input results in much more drastic responses. A super sport can get out of hand much faster. But that is a draw back for just everyday riding.

If you are getting it for track or canyon carving, the same characteristics that hurt it for everyday riding are is strangths. The bikes require less effort than before to turn in, slow down or speed up. With regards to RPMs, who cares if it is wound up, it is a super sport, not a touring bike. The point of getting a bike to compliment the 919 is to have something to are truly 'riding' and not just along for the ride (correct?).

The 919 is good at a little of everything.
The supersport is great at one thing.

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I switched from a 600RR to the 919.

Basically all you said above is true.

Flat out though I wish I didn't trade the 600RR in.

I wish I had both bikes at the same time!

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Bloaker, I appreciate the advice. Like I said in my original post, I'm in no position to buy a new bike, and I know I have a lot of riding to do before I would begin to feel comfortable with any more power. I only wanted to present WT with the question about its experiences. I appreciate all the input!

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I have both a 600rr and a 919. No way would I ever buy a 600 for the street. Unless my ultimate goal was mileage. In which case i'd get something even smaller. LIke a nija 500 or 250.

A 600 just has so little power at lower rpm. On the street, I like my power as soon as the tach needle starts to move. I really miss my 919. It is a great bike. Its nice to quickly reach peak power. makes sprited rides on the street easy and more entertianing. Sure the lower rpm power sacrifices upper end peaks but that is only really notable on the track. And the seat isn't that bad by the way. I never bought a new seat for mine and put a ton of long distance miles on it.

My 1000 is insane on the street. It has plenty of torque off idle but relative to its peak the low end is soft. And that peak is up high, so to do a spirited ride one must go way over the speed limit to be in the sweet spot of the engine. It only starts to hit its big power increases at 45 mph. "sweet" spot is in the 70s and rev limiter is over 90. This is all in 1st gear. So I will admit not the best choice for a street bike. But it is fun when the road permits.

If we are talking hypitheticals. I'm thinking a Triumph tiger would be the way to go for ultimate street bike do all. Never road one but the numbers are there. Lots of travel for comfy ride, good seating ergo for comy back and wristss, good power and lots of torque from a 1050 tripple. Doable on a track, very capable on the street as a sport bike, and comfy for stupid long touring trips. Onl down side.....its not naked.

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Discombobulated rambling post that has nothing to do with your question.

I put 30,000 miles on my Hayabusa.
I put 10,000 miles on my '05 ZX10R.

I like horsepower.

The 05 10R weighed as much as many 600's ( 430lbs compared to ... what, 420?).

I think everyone owes it to themselves to own a superbike/supersport to touch the grass on the other side.

With that said, the 919 motor is a peach. It doesn't feel heavy to me at all. I think the widebars (leverage) make it feel like it turns as quickly as the 10R.

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