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Hello im new here and just have one question.... what can i do to make my 919 faster? Ive done the flapper mod and i also have two brothers slip ons ( not like that makes a difference) what would you guys sugest thats some what easy on the wallet if possiable. What motor work or easy little add ons? I want as many ideas as possiable.

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>some what easy on the wallet

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yea forget about that part

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Madmax , ton of info on here for your 9er, Just enjoy the ride, str8

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Hello im new here and just have one question.... what can i do to make my 919 faster?
Couple questions for you:
Do you do track days or just street riding?
If you do track days, have you found the limits of the tires/suspensions/brakes/motor package on your 919?
If you do street riding, the 919 performance potential in stock form already exceeds what is achievable in today's traffic, speed limits, road conditions in general.

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If you do street riding, the 919 performance potential in stock form already exceeds what is achievable in today's traffic, speed limits, road conditions in general.
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Exactly what I was thinking.

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Couple questions for you:
If you do street riding, the 919 performance potential in stock form already exceeds what is achievable in today's traffic, speed limits, road conditions in general.

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well heck i guess all bikes should be modeled after the 919 then and none of
them should have more than 100hp unless they're strictly for the track.
depending on what road you're on at what time of day, the power of my '57 BSA exceeds what's achievable.

maxmax - i hear you. these are great bikes that would be even better with
a little more punch. There's a performance bike shop near here and one of
their techs believes the cbr900rr had hotter cams in it which might help.
He's supposed to be getting back to me on that.
Everybody seems to be happy here with exhaust & power commander & 5 more hp.
I'd kind of like to see a low pressure turbo kit & about 40 more but that gets
expensive quick as MrTurbo no longer makes any parts for Hondas which means having everything custom fabricated. Mine is a '05 fixxer upper (got it cheap 'cause somebody dropped it) and if I still own it mid-summer i'm gonna turbo it. The idea of having to refill a bottle never appealed to me.

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You can buy hotter cams(Enrion Racing I think). You could install larger throttle bodies. Like most stuff it take fabrication skills and lot of cash.

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The cams aren't magic though. If it adds on the top it will take some off the bottom.

For a real change that you can feel, mess with the gearing. A couple teeth on the rear sprocket will make you way quicker than any exhaust pipe. It's cheap and if you don't like it, go back.

If you want actual HP you can look up that old Cycle World article where the guy basically tuned up our detuned motor and got 17 extra HP out of it, but it cost him like $10,000 if I remember correctly.

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Forget about using the 900rr cams, they are not interchangable unless you fit the cam pulse generator rotor from a 919.

These links should give you a few ideas.
http://www.mcnews.com.au/Riders/Stev...002_Hornet.htm
You need to read Italian for this one. http://www.alexa72.com/

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After all is said and done along comes a FZ1 and smokes your modded 919.

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+1
Exactly what I was thinking.
Pfft...like you know anything.

max - there are two ways to get serious power with a 919
a) tons of $$$ - Erion cams, NO2, turbo, port/polish heads, Wiseco pistons
b) buy a faster bike

The 919 is not built to go fast, so you have to spend quite a bit to see any serious results. NO2 is the only "cheap" way to get HP out of the detuned lump.

Also, make sure to add PC3 to your shopping list. IT WILL NOT ADD HP!!! But it will make sure that you don't blow your motor up due to lean conditions from your mods. A Power Commander allows you to adjust your a/f map to ensure that you have a proper mix, but, by itself, will not increase stock hp.

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I'm going to change the sprockets for bottom end grunt this winter.
Hopefully I'll enjoy that.

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I added some throttle cable to mine. That way when I twist the throttle open it goes further. My butt dyno says I added 35 HP.

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I added some throttle cable to mine. That way when I twist the throttle open it goes further. My butt dyno says I added 35 HP.
Did your butt dyno account for atmospheric conditions? So few of them do these days.

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Are ya racing other bikes or just having fun. If you are anything like me you just mod the hell out of it to have fun. We all know the bike has lots of design limits. You just mod the crap out of it and have fun. There is always someone with more, cash, bike, horsepower whatever. Just do what you want and have fun. It's all about the hoot!

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Did your butt dyno account for atmospheric conditions? So few of them do these days.
Yes, there was a high pressure system at anal outlet.

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I see how the dyno atchment works for humidity butt don't you end-up below sea level?

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Hello im new here and just have one question.... what can i do to make my 919 faster? Ive done the flapper mod and i also have two brothers slip ons ( not like that makes a difference) what would you guys sugest thats some what easy on the wallet if possiable. What motor work or easy little add ons? I want as many ideas as possiable.
Well, the first thing you do is sell the 919 and get a ZX10R

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Well, the first thing you do is sell the 919 and get a ZX10R
Na don't do this you'd end up pushing more than riding stick with the hor-nuts!!



I would have to say that if i bought (name the baddest arshe bike of the week here) with 1000 hp and 1000 toque I'd still be wondering hmmm is there a way to get another 100 hp if i add a pc3, pipe, go fast silver paint!!! just part of the fun I think! good luck these guys will point you in a direction to get what you want or don't want

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Well, the first thing you do is sell the 919 and get a ZX10R
If you didn't feel any difference with slipons....none of the 1.0L bikes will give you the desired rush. Go all the way with Kawi ZX14! I owned a ZX11 for 14 years and last year I traded it for 919. Although it's not nearly as fast down the line, I enjoy riding much more now (lower insurance, quicker turning, shorter braking, and relaxed ergos).

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If you didn't feel any difference with slipons....none of the 1.0L bikes will give you the desired rush.

Bwaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

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Have to quote an old friend and hunting buddy on this one -

"It is what it is"

That saying apllies to the 919 on so many levels. I think because the motor originated in the 900rr, folks automatically want to try and wring 900rr level performance out of it. The Honda techs intentionally detuned it to fit the profile of the naked loving riders. If you want to throw thousands of $ at it to squeeze out more ponies, there's certainly a lot to learned. One name comes to mind that I think most of the WT old timers would agree on: JinMTVT. Cool guy and he certainly dissected his 9er and provided us all with a lot of good R & D. But I think it would be fair to say that in the end (has the experiment actually ended yet?), it was a disaster. There was another guy - Piston Guy I think? - some here know him personally. He went the better route of a full blown Wiseco big bore kit which resulted in 970cc. That one appearantly ran/runs better than Jin's.

All in all, IMHO, I'd say just make the mods that improve it a little then ride and enjoy it!

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Jin posted his results on Hornet's Nest months back. Seems he got it running just fine and it will spank any stock hornet nicely, but for the time and $$$ he spent on it...not worth it. I think he was probably about 2 days from binning it when he finally got things running.

If you like wrenching, R&D, and breaking a perfectly good bike, go for it.

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Want FREE 919 increased performance? Forget about bike upgrades, change your diet and exercise to lose 20 pounds (A=F/m). It worked for me!

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Want FREE 919 increased performance? Forget about bike upgrades, change your diet and exercise to lose 20 pounds (A=F/m). It worked for me!
The nice thing about lower weight is it makes for quicker acceleration and better cornering! Of course, if you're already 5'9" and only weigh 145 lbs like me, you have to start looking for parts of the bike you can remove or replace in order to reduce weight. Dream's way is much cheaper. In fact, it could save you money!

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Find a 1999 CBR900RR and slap it on there... 30hp increase right there

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Of course, if you're already 5'9" and only weigh 145 lbs like me, you have to start looking for parts of the bike you can remove or replace in order to reduce weight.
...or ride naked!

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The nice thing about lower weight is it makes for quicker acceleration and better cornering! Of course, if you're already 5'9" and only weigh 145 lbs like me, you have to start looking for parts of the bike you can remove or replace in order to reduce weight. Dream's way is much cheaper. In fact, it could save you money!
Sorry Bock you don't qualify for my FREE performance upgrade!
Wow at just 145lb your 919 must be very fast!

My Physical's early warning kicked me in the butt for the FREE 919 perfomance upgrade. The saved medical expenses from not getting sick, more than covers the new snug leathers.

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How hard would it be to put a 900RR in a 9'er frame?

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How hard would it be to put a 900RR in a 9'er frame?
Easier to find and purchase a 900RR, then make it naked.

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How hard would it be to put a 900RR in a 9'er frame?
that one was carbureted, wasn't it? it'd be like turning back the clock on
technology. gotta keep the fuel inj.
garrett gt17 - $600.
custom stainless header - $500.
stainless banana pipe exhaust - $150.
pc3 to tune it.
diy oil lines, thinwall aluminum transfer pipe, seal the airbox, a few hours on the dyno
i think it could be done for $2k +/-
some guys are spending 900 just for slip ons

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Well, the first thing you do is sell the 919 and get a ZX10R
yeah sure, then schdule an appt with the chiropractor if you actually want to ride it all day

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that one was carbureted, wasn't it? it'd be like turning back the clock on
technology. gotta keep the fuel inj.
garrett gt17 - $600.
custom stainless header - $500.
stainless banana pipe exhaust - $150.
pc3 to tune it.
diy oil lines, thinwall aluminum transfer pipe, seal the airbox, a few hours on the dyno
i think it could be done for $2k +/-
some guys are spending 900 just for slip ons
no good use for all that but huhh when you get it done can we trade and you make up another one

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no good use for all that but huhh when you get it done can we trade and you make up another one
12psi will double a bikes hp. With only 5-6lbs it would perfectly streetable and safe for the engine. These clowns with their 300+ hp Eyeabusers leave 'em parked all the time cause they're too rediculous to ride.
I don't want the fastest bike on the street. That's impossible anyway. I love the 919 so far and just want to make it even more fun.

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