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post #1 of 104 Old 03-24-2010, 07:54 PM Thread Starter
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Everyone's opinion please!

I've just been the recipient of a deal simply too good to refuse and now am at a crossroads.


I'll make it simple. Another bike is coming in to the stable with my other bikes, and it'll be either a XB12Ssg or a VFR. Help me decide. I love the idea of the V4 and the protection of the fairing, but at the same time, I cannot forget that XB12s test ride review I posted up some time ago.

Help w/ a pro/con list please!!!

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vfr there are no cons.......... it a awesome handling very very comfortable beautiful sights and sounds work of art....

the xb12ssg........well... its a buell.......



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Ha ha you asked for it ........


Well IMO .......


Buy the one you like the most!


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Two different bikes there - the Buell is for fanging around corners on a Sunday morning.

The VFR is for fanging around corners all weekend.

The Buell sounds like a nice V twin with a pipe on it.

The VFR sounds like a nice V4 with a pipe on it.

One will probably have less general servicing than the other but when requiring valve timing etc cost a lot more than the other - probably even out for service costs over time.

If you are in the position to do this - get both and flick off the 919. I know it sounds harsh but the VFR will preform touring duties better than the 919 and the Buell is a good hoon machine.

Darn easy spending someone else's money ......

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Definitely not in the position to buy both.....

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vfr all the way.

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why why why? people help me out!

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uhhh....maintenance, parts availabilty/cost, reliability, fun factor, re-sale values, lil wee wee syndrome factor, sound, comfort,





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buell needs 20+ years to catch up to honda.

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Because you already have a naked bike, why get one that costs more to maintain and let alone a company that's gone under? I guess the selling point for me on the Buell would be that V-Twin sound/feel. Never been on a Buell, but had the RC51 before the 9er. V-Twins just have a certain something to them when getting on the throttle.

VFR on the other hand has looks (gotta love that single-sided swingarm), sporty enough for the twisties but at the same time comfortable enough to ride for days on out. If you're planning on longer rides, carrying luggage, and/or a passenger, no brainer.

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I tried two different Buell's before, did not like them

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My Opinion? Buy the VFR it'll be much easier to live with on a day to day basis, the Buell's a great bike when you get a wild hair but I don't see it being a daily scoot. My Opinion for what it's worth.
Just watch out, I heard the VFR's have serious injector issues and like to carry spare fuel in the engine crank cases. Just sayin'


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vfr there are no cons.......... it a awesome handling very very comfortable beautiful sights and sounds work of art......
and the VFR is a Honda.

VFR all the way!

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Do a search for VFR Forum - there are a number dedicated to just this bike. Any issues are noted on them, but seriously the bike was in production for so long it is well sorted.

It may be better if you describe your intended use for the additional bike as I stated before they are fairly different bikes, not a bad as asking shall I get a Harley or a Ducati as they are both V-twins ..

Don't be put off by the nay-sayers re the Buell - personally I like them - they are a quirky mix of old and new and on a tight road with lots of corners can easily shame many a rider on a top of the line sport bike. It's not all about HP - but we know that riding the 919.

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One is a bulletproof and universally well reviewed V-4 sport touring bike from the most respected manufacturer on the planet. The other is a V-Twin naked bike from a defunct builder, although one that's reported to be a blast to ride. Totally different machines, your choice, sounds like fun!

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While I like the VFR I'm not a huge VFR fan, but you make the decision pretty easy making it a choice between the Buell or the VFR. Buell is plain and simply a piece of shit and that's why they're going out of business! So go with the VFR!

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Well you already have the 9'er for an everyday ride, so having the buell for whenever you get that wild hair as voodoo said isn't necessarily a bad thing

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I say Buell - why must riding a motorcycle be such a polished experience - that you can hardly feel it?
In my world, there must be something like charm and charisma, noise not to forget, and it seem's to me the VFR are missing those "important" thing's in life.
Maybe the Buell is not easy to ride as a VFR, but it is also true that the greatest joy comes to us after a "hard" job
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You didn't say. Are we talking new vs. new?

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Buell XB12R or XB12S?

And a lot depends on how you fit on each motorcycle.

The Buell will be far more individual and set you further apart from the crowd. While it has it's own share of quirks, all great motorcycles generally do.

The Buell probably has a lot higher of a chance of retaining any value as well.

The VFR is expensive to maintain, it would be the least likely of the two you mentioned to be truly fun to tinker with. But, it has a huge following and has been around for what seems like forever. I find them to be weak in the lower end of the powerband, but the little click and kick when the valves adjust is entertaining.

Having ridden both, the comparison is far too apples and oranges for me to make any suggestions to you without more details -

You height, weight, how you plan to ride it, what your expectations are when it comes to maintenance and reliability, your mechanical skill level, etc.

Once, in Mesa Arizona, I stumbled across a Buell at Chosa's dealership. It had some special race header and can - when they started it up, well, it was one of the best sounding engines I have ever heard.

And character, buy the cylinder full.

Having ridden Buells only twice, they handle amazingly well and offer enormous amounts of low and mid range torque.

They are a total blast to ride, a little too cramped for my 6'4" frame, and they seem to wheelie a little easier than I like, but fun FUN FUN is the word.

Tough decision, whatever one you go with, remember, it does not have to be forever, not is it likely it will be.

The only mistake would be to go without.

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A friend of mine has a Buell Ulisses. Has over 40,000 miles on it. Replaced the fuel pump; that's it, other than consumables like pads, tires, belt. Gets 50 mpg. I've ridden it, and several other Buells. I used to do the Buell demo days at Bloomington in, back when. Some of them ROAST your right leg. They have very narrow power bands. Clunky trannys. A Buell would be fun if all your buddies rode Buells.

Never ridden a VFR. They are heavy and complex.

Split the differencd. Get a Tuono, SV1000, SuperHawk, 990KTM, SuperMotard.

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You didn't say. Are we talking new vs. new?
Good point (although it makes no difference in my decision)... What year is each bike in question?


My advice is go with the VFR... Honda will probably be around for a while.

The turn off for me on the Buell is mainly the fact that you will likely be limited in parts & service eventually.
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VFR = Honda = reliability

Nough said

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even with buell going down, they are required by law to provide parts/service for 10 years. so if you want a buell at some point in time, now's the time to get it, not later.

tough choice. i think it mainly comes down to what you intend to use it for. that simple. want to hooligan around a bit? buell. want to tour or do long day trips? vfr. cant ask us for an opinion without deciding what YOU would use either for. only you know that. and if you dont know what you intend to do with either bike, then you wont be happy with either purchase.

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even with buell going down, they are required by law to provide parts/service for 10 years. so if you want a buell at some point in time, now's the time to get it, not later.

tough choice. i think it mainly comes down to what you intend to use it for. that simple. want to hooligan around a bit? buell. want to tour or do long day trips? vfr. cant ask us for an opinion without deciding what YOU would use either for. only you know that. and if you dont know what you intend to do with either bike, then you wont be happy with either purchase.
It may be "required" but I would be very surprised if you can still get parts for a buell 5 years from now.

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ok... as the owner of a vfr.... it is NOT heavy.... at least not over 3mph.... it has plenty of power and it is SNEAKY fast..*(fast as or faster than a 919)..... i had a chance to buy a buell.... i chose the vfr for a reason....

it is UBER comfy... the expensive to maintain....horse shit...... just change the oil.... you don't even have to adjust the chain *(it does it all by itself)....

when you have to adjust the valves it might cost you a couple bucks.... but there are a lotta carefree miles between purchase and that event......

as the current owner of two bikes *(07 vfr 25th anniversary and a 03 harley heritage softail).... and having had numerous bikes in the past.....

the vfr is the ONLY one i would buy again... *(maybe the cbr1000rr if i had the spare scratch to do as touring919 did and streetfighter it)...........

and the people making opinions who have not read one are just spouting hot air........ unless you have placed ass on seat you have no idea how great the vfr is....



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new vs new. 2009 XB12Ss vs 2008 VFR.

I'll sell the 919 in the deal... I do lots of 1000km day trips and have no extra wind protection on the 919. How far will a 1200 motor go? I've got a much better line on the XB, and I'm still enamored with the ride from a year ago..

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I do lots of 1000km day trips and have no extra wind protection on the 919. .
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I've always wanted a VFR and will own one some day.

Go with the VFR - miles of smiles, low maintenance, easy to ride, comfortable, tons of aftermarket stuff for it, and just the right amount of power for commuting, wrist-twisting rides, and every day fun without so much power to get into trouble too easy. And it'll hold its value better than the Buell.

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Even though Buell parts will be "available" for 7 to 10 years, I would bet on a giant hassle to get parts. Harley dealers were already notorious for their lack of sales support for the Buell. Imagine trying to get the bike repaired or serviced only to have the dealer tell you it'll take a couple of weeks just to get the parts. I could definitely see that happening, and I don't know about you, but I'm not real patient when it comes to stuff like that.

For that reason alone, I vote VFR. Besides which, I wouldn't mind having one myself someday. Good looking, do-it-all bike. Can't go wrong with that.

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1200 motors have hyd lash. No valve adj ever. My money is on the VFR being more reliable but I am highly predjiduce to anything with an HD badge anywhere near it. According to a dude at the track that races a XB, and rides a Ulys. for comuting he said there is zero maint. The belt drive last longer than most will ride them and it doesn't need adjusted or lubed. Not sutable for racing but great for street use. According to him, I have no experience. Change the oil in the engine and thats it.

I for one love nakeds for touring. I have no tolerance for any weight on my hands. I don't know how people ride VFRs as long as they do. I'd comute on one but 30 min is proably all the longer I could ride one comfortably. Very little torque, and it is heavy. But, that V4 sounds so good I'd over look all that and pic the VFR. Love that sound! It doens't help the Buells cause that I hate V-twins.

I'd likely pic niether one for 600 mile days to be honest. But given only thosse two choices, VFR (with heli bars)

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Bollocks - they have been racing Buells in New Zealand for years.

Only issue with belt drive on any bike is lack of different 'sprockets' and they are often susceptible to being destroyed if they pick up a decent stone.

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VFR all the way, especially if you do a lot of long rides!

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I put 70,000 miles on my 1992 VFR.

I think it's "comfort" is over-rated.

It had "enough power" ( I always wanted another 20... ), sounded good, and was as reliable as you would expect. ( I replaced a few headlight bulbs.)

Obviously the '92 is different than the 5th (6th?) gen you're looking at... but the ergo package is probably similar.

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you made this too easy.

You question should be "which year/color VFR should I get?"

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I know one guy in Atchinson KS that traded his 919 for a VFR and all he talks about is how he misses the 919.

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Bollocks - they have been racing Buells in New Zealand for years.

Only issue with belt drive on any bike is lack of different 'sprockets' and they are often susceptible to being destroyed if they pick up a decent stone.
Yea, that same dude said that is why he doesn't like them for racing. Any stone will tear them up. And he also said the rubber globs that come off tires will also tear them up if one doens't keep an eye on them. It wasn't a stregth concern.

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