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post #1 of 18 Old 10-05-2018, 12:45 PM Thread Starter
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Discounted 2018 CB1000R

Pretty steep discount ($2,100) that I am not seeing elsewhere.
Can’t tell if it is just this particular dealership trying to get rid of it, something is wrong with it, or if everyone is going to start discounting.

https://www.hondaws.com/--xInventoryDetail?id=5929026

My local dealership has 1 that I was looking at the other day, at full price. They haven’t sold any yet.

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post #2 of 18 Old 10-06-2018, 03:13 PM
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I would be severely tempted if that was near me.

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I would be severely tempted if that was near me.
It’s about 1.5 hours from me.
Got an appointment with my local dealership on Tuesday to value my 919 on trade and will see then if they will match the price.

If not, I may make the trip to get it.

Problem is I also really like this bike:
https://www.bakermotorsports.com/Pre...41515?ref=list
Weighing the lower reliability, higher cost of ownership/maintenance/repairs.

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post #4 of 18 Old 10-07-2018, 11:36 AM
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I would be severely tempted if that was near me.
I'm with you on that, even more so if they had a red one...

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2016 vs 2018 CB1000R

I currently have 2002 CB900F you know and some love this bike. Bought last year virtually unused 1,200 miles. New tires, brakelines and other bits to bring her back to glory. Have enjoyed greatly.

question found a new 2016 CB1000R for $7,600 out the door and a 2018 CB100R for $10,900. $3,300 is real money is the 2018 that much better? they are somewhat different bikes, ie HP and throttle by wire and the electronic mode etc.

informed comments requested to assist in pulling the trigger

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I currently have 2002 CB900F you know and some love this bike. Bought last year virtually unused 1,200 miles. New tires, brakelines and other bits to bring her back to glory. Have enjoyed greatly.

question found a new 2016 CB1000R for $7,600 out the door and a 2018 CB100R for $10,900. $3,300 is real money is the 2018 that much better? they are somewhat different bikes, ie HP and throttle by wire and the electronic mode etc.

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Was that 2016 CB1000R for $7,600 new or used?

I ask because a local dealer had a 2014 for $10K out the door... So that 2016 would be a huge bargain or the 2014 was a rip off. Even the 2018 @ 10K is a better deal that the locals asking 10K for a 2014.

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That Ducati is a Monster. The description calls it a Multi Strata.

If you get a Ducati, you may never be satisfied with a Honda again.

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I currently have 2002 CB900F you know and some love this bike. Bought last year virtually unused 1,200 miles. New tires, brakelines and other bits to bring her back to glory. Have enjoyed greatly.

question found a new 2016 CB1000R for $7,600 out the door and a 2018 CB100R for $10,900. $3,300 is real money is the 2018 that much better? they are somewhat different bikes, ie HP and throttle by wire and the electronic mode etc.

informed comments requested to assist in pulling the trigger
How much is the styling worth to you.

I prefer the 919 styling over the bike that replaced it (CB1000R).

But I love the 2018 styling.

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I currently have 2002 CB900F you know and some love this bike. Bought last year virtually unused 1,200 miles. New tires, brakelines and other bits to bring her back to glory. Have enjoyed greatly.

question found a new 2016 CB1000R for $7,600 out the door and a 2018 CB100R for $10,900. $3,300 is real money is the 2018 that much better? they are somewhat different bikes, ie HP and throttle by wire and the electronic mode etc.

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How much is the styling worth to you.

I prefer the 919 styling over the bike that replaced it (CB1000R).

But I love the 2018 styling.
Same here.
I'd buy the new CB1000R over the previous model any day of the week, price difference and all. More power and much better looks.

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I see that they raised the price on the 2018 CB1000R that I linked (must have had some incentives at the time I linked that ended, or they were trying to move it by the end of the year and/or sales period).
And the Monster dropped by $1000 since I linked it.

Someone should snatch that Monster up, now that the spring is here. Under 1k miles, first service done. That’s like a $16k bike, new MSRP for $10,500.

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Per the Duc: Replacing the cam belts on an 848 Streetfighter like mine is not hard. It just takes a while. Took me 3.5 hours, one evening. Cam belts cost about $110, and last for 20,000 miles.

Pretty sure all the new Ducatis go 15,000 miles on a valve adjustment now days. I believe they all have wet clutches.

The oil drain and filter are out in the open on the bottom of the engine. Tire changes are easy. The front is like any other bike. The rear wheel is held on by one big nut. No chain adjustment necessar with the single sided swingarm.

Mine starts right up. Doesn't leak any fluids, very comfortable riding position, compliant ride, stick in the corners like nothing I've ever ridden before.

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Per the Duc: Replacing the cam belts on an 848 Streetfighter like mine is not hard. It just takes a while. Took me 3.5 hours, one evening. Cam belts cost about $110, and last for 20,000 miles.

Pretty sure all the new Ducatis go 15,000 miles on a valve adjustment now days. I believe they all have wet clutches.

The oil drain and filter are out in the open on the bottom of the engine. Tire changes are easy. The front is like any other bike. The rear wheel is held on by one big nut. No chain adjustment necessar with the single sided swingarm.

Mine starts right up. Doesn't leak any fluids, very comfortable riding position, compliant ride, stick in the corners like nothing I've ever ridden before.
I came very close to buying the Ducati I linked. Had the financing worked out with the dealer.

Discovered the KTM Super Duke GT at the last minute. Was also looking at the Super Duke R, didn’t know the GT existed at the time. Once I did some research on the GT I was immediately sold.

IMO, and I know I am now biased, the GT may possibly be the best production “sport” motorcycle for everyday riding on the market today. Yes, there are faster top speed and/or track bikes. But for “sporty” street riding, I don’t think there are any other bikes I would rather have. The GT offers some additional options/benefits over the R (bigger fuel tank, more wind protection, electronically adjustable suspension).

The KTM 1290 engine is arguably the best (and many in the motorcyle media industry agree) production engine currently available on street bikes.
The torque/acceleration is mental, but the bike is very rider friendly and not intimidating.

It is happy cruising around town or trying to rip your arms off, whatever you’re in the mood for at the time.
The rider aids are top notch. They are there saving you when they need to but not letting you know/feel that they are doing their job.

It has 9300 mile service intervals, valves are every other interval.
Single sided swingarm makes tire, chain and sprocket changes a snap. Just need a 60mm socket and torque wrench that goes up to 250 N-m (185 ft-lb) for the rear wheel removal/install. Rear sprocket can be changed without removing the wheel.
Oil changes are very easy also. Just not cheap if you use the recommended Motorex oil (I do since it is under warranty).

Styling is one thing on KTMs that is debatable. I personally like it but there are more aesthetically pleasing bikes IMO.

They just restyled the GT for 2019 and updated the electronics. If you can live with a 2016-18, there are/were some great deals in the US (didn’t really take off in the US, much more popular in Europe and Australia). I got mine with a $3500 factory rebate, $2000 additional off from the dealer, and no dealer fees.
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I love everything about the cb1000r except for the motor. Maybe with a tune it'll be fixed, but from the factory it has significantly less balls than the outgoing model it replaces. Here's a dyno sheet comparing the new engine to the old one.


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I came very close to buying the Ducati I linked. Had the financing worked out with the dealer.

Discovered the KTM Super Duke GT at the last minute. Was also looking at the Super Duke R, didn’t know the GT existed at the time. Once I did some research on the GT I was immediately sold.

IMO, and I know I am now biased, the GT may possibly be the best production “sport” motorcycle for everyday riding on the market today. Yes, there are faster top speed and/or track bikes. But for “sporty” street riding, I don’t think there are any other bikes I would rather have. The GT offers some additional options/benefits over the R (bigger fuel tank, more wind protection, electronically adjustable suspension).

The KTM 1290 engine is arguably the best (and many in the motorcyle media industry agree) production engine currently available on street bikes.
The torque/acceleration is mental, but the bike is very rider friendly and not intimidating.

It is happy cruising around town or trying to rip your arms off, whatever you’re in the mood for at the time.
The rider aids are top notch. They are there saving you when they need to but not letting you know/feel that they are doing their job.

It has 9300 mile service intervals, valves are every other interval.
Single sided swingarm makes tire, chain and sprocket changes a snap. Just need a 60mm socket and torque wrench that goes up to 250 N-m (185 ft-lb) for the rear wheel removal/install. Rear sprocket can be changed without removing the wheel.
Oil changes are very easy also. Just not cheap if you use the recommended Motorex oil (I do since it is under warranty).

Styling is one thing on KTMs that is debatable. I personally like it but there are more aesthetically pleasing bikes IMO.

They just restyled the GT for 2019 and updated the electronics. If you can live with a 2016-18, there are/were some great deals in the US (didn’t really take off in the US, much more popular in Europe and Australia). I got mine with a $3500 factory rebate, $2000 additional off from the dealer, and no dealer fees.
Just wondering, what's the insurance rates on that vs the 919? One of the advantages of the 919 is cheap ins compared to other bike because of how it's classified.

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Just wondering, what's the insurance rates on that vs the 919? One of the advantages of the 919 is cheap ins compared to other bike because of how it's classified.
Insurance is a funny animal.

This made me remember before I bought the bike I got quotes on it, the Ducati Monster 1200S, and the 2018 CB1000R. Think I even made a post here about it.

The Honda was a lot more than the other two with Geico (who I use) which surprised me, since it was my “practical” choice of the 3. So I ran it with progressive and it was significantly less.

Who knows what these companies use to determine rates.

To answer your question.
I am 41 with a good driving record.
When I had my 919, I paid $115 a year for liability.
I currently pay $730 a year for the KTM for full coverage. Of which $140 is for the liability and $590 is for the coverage of the bike.

Just for fun, when I saw your post I got quotes for a 2007 919 with Geico.
Liability still $115.
Full coverage $1,280 per year!!!

These insurance companies. I guess they must think if you are 41 and have a lien on a $2,500 bike that you are going to be a hooligan on the street.

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I ride with a guy with a 1290 GT. Fabulous machine. He's ridden to California and back, then slings it thru the curves like a sport bike. I think it weighs around 460 with the cases off. Take it from a guy like PC that owns one.

The press gave the 990 Super Duke a wicked rep, when it came out. But it's really just a step up from a 919. The 990 is more comfortable than a 919, much lighter, more torque, 114.5 hp on the dyno, better handling. I think the 919 looked old when it came out, which is probably the look they were going for. The 990 still looks new to me.

Her are so many really good used bikes out there, for cheap.

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Insurance is a funny animal.

This made me remember before I bought the bike I got quotes on it, the Ducati Monster 1200S, and the 2018 CB1000R. Think I even made a post here about it.

The Honda was a lot more than the other two with Geico (who I use) which surprised me, since it was my “practical” choice of the 3. So I ran it with progressive and it was significantly less.

Who knows what these companies use to determine rates.

To answer your question.
I am 41 with a good driving record.
When I had my 919, I paid $115 a year for liability.
I currently pay $730 a year for the KTM for full coverage. Of which $140 is for the liability and $590 is for the coverage of the bike.

Just for fun, when I saw your post I got quotes for a 2007 919 with Geico.
Liability still $115.
Full coverage $1,280 per year!!!

These insurance companies. I guess they must think if you are 41 and have a lien on a $2,500 bike that you are going to be a hooligan on the street.
That $115 is right in line with my rates thru Foremost Ins.

So the Duke would probably be in the same range, but the full coverage would be quiet a bit more. I've never had full coverage on any bike, but I've never had a loan on a bike.

I guess the better deal might be to buy the Duke outright and get the cheaper ins.

Q. Does that "full coverage" cover theft ?

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That $115 is right in line with my rates thru Foremost Ins.

So the Duke would probably be in the same range, but the full coverage would be quiet a bit more. I've never had full coverage on any bike, but I've never had a loan on a bike.

I guess the better deal might be to buy the Duke outright and get the cheaper ins.

Q. Does that "full coverage" cover theft ?
Yes, it covers theft and all standard insurance losses. Lienholders want to make sure they are protected also.

Like all insurance products, I guess it all depends on how much risk you are willing to assume and the cost you are willing to pay to mitigate the risk.

I personally set it at around $3,000, especially if the additional cost for full coverage is an extreme jump.

I own 3 vehicles outright. All are older/high miles but well maintained and in great condition. I have full coverage on 2 of them (worth $7k-$8k each).
Just liability on the other, worth about $3k and it is my teenage sons primary driver, so the jump in cost to go to full coverage is extreme and not worth it even if the car were totaled. I would eat the loss.

Eating the loss on a $10k-$15k bike would be a bit tougher pill for me to swallow though.
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