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post #1 of 8 Old 06-05-2006, 04:55 PM Thread Starter
 
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Clutchless shifting.

Sorry if this has been discussed before, but couldn't find anything in the search option.
Most of the times I find myself upshifting without using the clutch and the shifting is actually very smooth and precise (more than if I'd use the clutch). Can that procedure damage the transmission at all? Is it better to avoid it?
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post #2 of 8 Old 06-05-2006, 05:31 PM
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It's a little hard on the shifter forks but depends on if your using it as a track bike or not. If I was on the street, don't think there is a need for it. But too each his own A!

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Sorry if this has been discussed before, but couldn't find anything in the search option.
Most of the times I find myself upshifting without using the clutch and the shifting is actually very smooth and precise (more than if I'd use the clutch). Can that procedure damage the transmission at all? Is it better to avoid it?
TIA.
Really.. it's all about timing. If it feels smooth then it probably is. I bang through the gears all the time without the clutch... mostly smooth, some times not! I say screw it.. whatever breaks.. they'll make more of them!

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you will bend the forks and round off the teeth on the gears. NO MATTER HOW SMOOTH YOU THINK IT IS. using the clutch takes the load off the primary gear so it alleviates the pressure on the index fork and the driveline.


shift it however you like but you WILL prematurely wear your transmission. But what the hell... honda makes tranny parts right.

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I fit somewhere in the middle here with the opinions. Years ago I was told by a mechanic that upshifting is fine but don't try to downshift clutchless. I do shift clutchless at certian times. Usually when I'm running the bike hard. It doesn't shift as smooth in the lower rpm range so I use the clutch in the city. It helps your shifting to run a good oil.

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Funny... I had thought about posting a similiar topic here. Personally I use the clutch most of the time on upshifts, though not necessarily all the way in, kind of just a quick blip. But after having seen how air shifters work, I do also usually back off slightly on the throttle before shifting to relieve the pressure on the gears.

Now downshifting.. just feels to harsh without clutch, I use mine at least 90% of the time going down.

When I first got my bike in 04 the tranny felt pretty chunky, but either it has become smoother or I have . I will be changing to Repsol full synth next oil change and expect to feel a difference with that too.

Do what feels good to you and if you do it without clutch be aware there is always potential for damage.

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post #7 of 8 Old 06-06-2006, 12:42 PM
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you will bend the forks and round off the teeth on the gears. NO MATTER HOW SMOOTH YOU THINK IT IS. using the clutch takes the load off the primary gear so it alleviates the pressure on the index fork and the driveline.


shift it however you like but you WILL prematurely wear your transmission. But what the hell... honda makes tranny parts right.
Pretty sure it's not possible to round off the teeth of the gears in this type of a transmission. All the gears are engaged all the time. Point taken on the forks. But I use the clutch most of the time too.. but when I do shift without the clutch, I don't loose sleep over it.

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post #8 of 8 Old 06-06-2006, 12:47 PM
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I always try to use my clutch. However, I just switched to a full syn oil and I find that the shift happens before I get the clutch lever in. It spooks me a touch due to the fact i have a short amount of motorcycling in me. It does happen so smoothly I dont think about it too much.

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