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post #1 of 130 Old 11-02-2010, 06:59 AM Thread Starter
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I work at a honda dealership the CB1000R will be here in the states for 2011 along with the cbr250r

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HOLLY SHIT THEY LISTENED!!!!!!! I just about shit bricks when i loaded up facebook this morning and saw it! i bitched and moaned every chance i could get at honda, via their surveys, and on their facebook page!!!

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First the CB1100, then the CBR250.... and now the CB1000R... maybe the VTR250 next!!! o man that would be awesome!

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That dash/gauge cluster is awesome!

Did I miss the weight somewhere?

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Any word on pricing? And what's up with the Honda site saying limited availability?

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Thats sucks for 2 reasons 1 Im gonna have to get one 2 that digital tach sucks.

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Hasn't even shown up yet and someone is already bitching about the guages.... are you ever going to be happy?

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looks about 20 lbs more than the 9er (475ish)

i want to know how the hell it gained 100 lbs over the CBR1000?

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If that's 475 full of fuel, that's at least 50 pounds heavier than my beloved SD. I don't want one.

I would have been interested in the 600, tho. Having a ball on the 599

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Weight is wet. Finally bike makers are starting to post up actual wet weights – the bullshit dry figures they have made up over the years have been absolutely pointless.

The dash is impressive when seen in the flesh – you’ll love it.

And it is funny seeing you all getting excited about a ‘old’ model …………..

Hopefully it will be priced on par with the Kawasaki thou, but if it is a few hundy over IMO it is worth it.

How’s your dollar against the Euro? There are plenty of spunky bits of bling available for this model and a nice pipe sounds sweet.

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Hasn't even shown up yet and someone is already bitching about the guages.... are you ever going to be happy?
I like analog its easier for me to read, personally. I guess I could ditch the gauges then be happy, I rode a cbr with no gauges for a while.

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I don't really care one way or another on the digital versus analog gauges. I rarely look at mine anyway. Actually, the only time I look at my speedo is when I see a cop.

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Looks like a nice bike...I just hope they didnt build the engines with left over 08 parts.....It really sucks that even has to be a concern.

That'll work........
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And it is funny seeing you all getting excited about a ‘old’ model …………..

Hopefully it will be priced on par with the Kawasaki thou, but if it is a few hundy over IMO it is worth it.
Well.. we are not excited about it cuz we think it is new.. we are excited cuz it's finally coming to the states.. duh!

That said.. it is a crusty, smelly old 2008 design. The z1000 still smells fresh and flowery. I think i am going to stick to my 2011 z1000 order. Both give me wood.. but.. I like the 2010ness and the overall looks better on the zed. Plus the single sided swing arm and the wheels on the Predator don't really do it for me. I do like the head lights better on the Predator and I certainly do think the Honda has the better gauge cluster. I don't think I could go wrong with either really.

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Looks like a nice bike...I just hope they didnt build the engines with left over 08 parts.....It really sucks that even has to be a concern.
No issues at all with this engine - remember the rest of the world has been enjoying it for a couple of years now .......

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Looks like a nice bike...I just hope they didnt build the engines with left over 08 parts.....It really sucks that even has to be a concern.
Exactly! Why the hell not use the current sport model's motor in the naked version. It boggles the mind why they use the previous generation's motor for the naked. Surely the naked version of a sports bike should have the current generation's motor in it, especially if the pricing is relatively close.

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I don't think I could go wrong with either really.
100% agree.

If Honda overprice the 1000r they will drive (ride?) buyers straight to the Kawasaki.

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100% agree.

If Honda overprice the 1000r they will drive (ride?) buyers straight to the Kawasaki.
Plus the kwaski has an all new lump built just for the z1000. 1043cc of water cooled, fuel injected, inline, lowered center of gravity, lump-O-liciousness!

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I've had a little more time to eyeball. Nice bike. Hopefully the weight is in that boomerang thing the exhaust gas comes out of.

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Exactly! Why the hell not use the current sport model's motor in the naked version. It boggles the mind why they use the previous generation's motor for the naked. Surely the naked version of a sports bike should have the current generation's motor in it, especially if the pricing is relatively close.
I wonder about this too - magazines claim it will be cost saving using 'older' paid-for designs but I wonder. Take a top sports engine that has had huge investment put into it, alter the cams, injectors and remap - surely this is pretty much all that is needed to power down and torque up for a naked variant. Then spread the cost of the development over two models - quicker return on your investment.

And when developing said new sport engine it would take little to design clean cosmetically appealing engine castings with tidy plumbing so a naked variant would be a easy pull.

Maybe this would compromise the hyper sports bike somewhere but seams logical to me.

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I've had a little more time to eyeball. Nice bike. Hopefully the weight is in that boomerang thing the exhaust gas comes out of.
Ignore the weight figure it is wet.

Basically they feel like a 919 with good suspenders, serious brakes and running on steroids! If you look at the wheelbase, rake/trail etc they are so close to the 919 it's not funny.

1000 R Dimensions

Wheelbase 1,445m
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Oh man. I want. I really like the single sided swing arm, and everything else.

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i still want to know how the hell its so much heavier than a cbr1000.... the CB1000R has an aluminum frame!

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i dont know... i think honda went a little too far in the looks department, and not enough in the power/engine compartment. its the opposite effect for me and the z1000. interesting thing is i'd lean more towards the honda as its less than 1000cc in insurance's eyes whereas the z1000 is not. for you older folks this is a moot point but for the younger crowd (those of us that care and live within our means), its big issue. one that steered me to the 919 in the first place. personally though, i'd have to ride both of them before i decided, and run some numbers with the insurance company.

one thing's for sure. 919 resale values havent been great and with the release of the cb100r, the resale value will tank even more.

still undecided on the gauge clusters. i just love the look of the analog gauges on the 919. oldschool! but i love modern stuff too if it looks right. i'll have to see it in person and play with it a bit before deciding on that one.

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Any word on pricing? I'm guessing somewhere north of $11K

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I LOVE the gauge cluster! Look how many people have modded to digital on our faithful 919! I have been waiting at least 2 years for this bike and I am jazzed for it! I don't care if the Kawi is faster lighter etc..... It's just not a Honda! Thank you for listening Big Red......


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I wonder about this too - magazines claim it will be cost saving using 'older' paid-for designs but I wonder. Take a top sports engine that has had huge investment put into it, alter the cams, injectors and remap - surely this is pretty much all that is needed to power down and torque up for a naked variant. Then spread the cost of the development over two models - quicker return on your investment.

And when developing said new sport engine it would take little to design clean cosmetically appealing engine castings with tidy plumbing so a naked variant would be a easy pull.

Maybe this would compromise the hyper sports bike somewhere but seams logical to me.
Exactly, but I guess the "greed factor" kicks in; its just too irresistable to go with an already paid for engine design and slap a crazy price tag on it.

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one thing's for sure. 919 resale values havent been great and with the release of the cb100r, the resale value will tank even more.
It may be worthwile selling your 919 now then?

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Do you guys really think that it would make any difference except to our egos to say the motor is based on the latest CBR compared to one a few years old? The performance detuning (or retuning as some prefer) would still bring you to Honda's desired output spec for the CB1000R when it was designed a few years ago. The base motor is not the limiting factor, its the CB1000R design spec.

I'm sure if they did it all over again today perhaps they would detune it slightly less to give it another 10hp on top to compare better against the Z1000.

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Plus the kwaski has an all new lump built just for the z1000. 1043cc of water cooled, fuel injected, inline, lowered center of gravity, lump-O-liciousness!
I like the Honda.............I keep waiting for the Z1000 to "transform" into something NOT ugly.

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Do you guys really think that it would make any difference except to our egos to say the motor is based on the latest CBR compared to one a few years old? The performance detuning (or retuning as some prefer) would still bring you to Honda's desired output spec for the CB1000R when it was designed a few years ago. The base motor is not the limiting factor, its the CB1000R design spec.

I'm sure if they did it all over again today perhaps they would detune it slightly less to give it another 10hp on top to compare better against the Z1000.
Its got nothing to do with my ego, but everything to do with my wallet. I don't like being charged very close to "current-generation-sportbike-money" for the current naked that is basically ol' parts bin in a pretty dress.

The 919 is old parts bin, fair enough, but it I could marry up the price tag to the bike, for what it was.

The main R&D and other costs on the motor and other bits (front end, etc.) should mostly be recovered via the previous generation Blade. Why not pass on that savings to the customer; sell more, generate a following (brand loyalty) and have happy repeat customers that don't feel like they are being screwed over?

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Its got nothing to do with my ego, but everything to do with my wallet. I don't like being charged very close to "current-generation-sportbike-money" for something that is basically ol' parts bin in a pretty dress.
OK, I kinda see that angle. I also see Honda's angle.

Too me, there isn't much of a difference because current gen CBR and the gen of CBR used for this bike aren't technically different enough that it would matter. Whether it's an 09 base putting out 125 or a 05 base putting out 125 would only be a superficial thing to me. Same thing if they altered it to 135 to match the Kawi, it would only be superficial to me which base motor they used.

I gotta admit it would be more fun to say that it has the latest CBR motor in it, but the retuning make that mute to anyone who knows.

So, who's buying one?

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.... ya... looking at power numbers..... 125ish hp... and wait for it 73-75ftlbs....

so we are looking at ~ 20hp more, and MAYBE 5ftlbs more than the 919.... I guess im sticking with grabbing an 06 or 07 CBR1000 taking off all the fairings, putting dirbike bars and a 599 headlight on it... ill have a better performing bike for half the price.

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.....I'm much happier buying used bikes at 1/4 the price....and modding them out with used eBay parts. Maybe in 6-8 years, the cb1000 will be worth looking at on the used market.

I never would have bought the 9er new at new stealership prices....and I feel sorry for the people that have.

Non the less....very cool bike.

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I never would have bought the 9er new at new stealership prices....and I feel sorry for the people that have.

Non the less....very cool bike.
You feel sorry for us? I feel sorry for you. All you are getting is a ragged out, used up hand-me-down, lose-out flop hole.. and for what?.. money? It's only money. But a new bike.. damn dude... there isn't much that can compare. The 919 was dirt cheap even brand freakin' new. If I could go back.. I'd do it all the same over again.

P.S. nuthin wrong with a lose-out flop hole of a bike or whatever. Just messing with ya! Someone has to buy them new though... right? Now someone has to buy my used one!

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It's good to have options but I am not sure the CB1000R is for me. It is not a replacement for my 919. I don't have a car and therefore ride every day, put groceries in my Givi, etc. I am not sure the new CB has that kind of flexibility - it most certainly won't be the same bang for the buck. There are STILL unridden 919s available at dealers for $6k.

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There are STILL unridden 919s available at dealers for $6k.
WOW! Probably take a rude offer well below that too.

Good buying until you catch the mod bug and spend 2k on fancy front & rear suspender and another grand worth of pipe/bars/mirrors etc etc. Before you know it you have spent $9k

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