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post #1 of 53 Old 09-25-2008, 10:08 AM Thread Starter
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Buckin' FRAME SLIDERS- A WARNING!

It is with a heavy heart and a bruised shoulder that I have to tell this tale of woe, and that I, was warned about those damned Ebay frame sliders and what could happen. Monday night 'bout 2130 Eastern time I was a half mile from my house when I rode upon a large buck whitetail deer standing on the right side of the road. I slowed down to view this magnificent beast and came to a complete stop about 10 yards from him, he didn't move. I yelled at him to move on and beeped my puny horn. What I didn't realize at the moment is that here in SC the deer are rutting already and this one had a mean streak. I let the clutch out and rolled past him at 5 mph figuring I'd just ease on by. Wrong. As I moved over into the left lane and my light wasn't blinding him any longer he put his head down and charged, catching my right leg mid thigh with his antler and was turned by the momentum of the bike forward and into the handlebars. I grabbed a handfull of front brake but we went down onto the bikes right side and I flipped head over and landed flat on my back. Ouch! my R shoulder was aching and after making sure no bones were protruding, I got up and surveyed my 9er. I went to pick it up and damn it was heavy and I keep slipping on the pavement but finally got it upright and on its stand. Pulled my little flashlight out of the tankbag and saw liquid in a puddle where it had been laying. I sure didn't want to do any more damage to the bike and my little light was really starting to go dim so I grabbed my backpack and started to limp home. Got the truck and my wife and we drove back down to the spot and it was there in the headlights that I knew my bike had died.
This is a warning to all who still have those FN ebay frame sliders bolted to the front motor mount, GET THEM OFF IMMEDIATELY! Those MF'ers cost me 20 dollars to buy but did $7000 bucks worth of damage as the Insurance man said that a hole in the engine is enough to total most any bike.
My Honda has a broken front brake lever, some scrapes on the bar end and the front turn signal lens had popped out. Almost like it just fell over but the forward momentum was just enough to twist that slider to pop a chunk out of the engine.
After realizing what had just happened, I started it up and rode it home, oil light flashing the whole way but what the hell, I knew it would be a total loss anyway.
Next day I took my son over to where it happened after football practice and the whole way home there is a stripe of Repsol oil leading to my garage.

I have removed my F-16 shield and brackets and anything else that was aftermarket except those stinking sliders, they can go!
Today it's Thursday and I finally feel like I could tell this story.
My body is bruised and blue and the man is coming to haul the bike away.
People, listen to what these folks are telling ya about those sliders, get them moved to the frame by the radiator or risk losing your ride!
I had been warned and now, you've been too!
Next week I will see about shopping for a replacement when I can lift my arm up chest high comfortably.
This weekend I am gonna hunt that buck. The corn feeder is already out and doing it's job.
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post #2 of 53 Old 09-25-2008, 10:13 AM
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Wow, you are the only person I know that has been attacked by a deer. At least you aren't laid up in the hospital or worse. Sorry to hear about the bike. At least now you can go get one of those uber-cool dual sports that are the talk of the town.

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Well, It sucks to lose the bike, but better that then your life. At least you had time to slow down. Stupid damn animals. Hope you can find a new 919, unless of course you listen to that other guy ^^^

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Sorry to hear about the bike. I was attacked by a deer while driving my truck. I have the same sliders off of ebay, but put them on my frame after seeing previous pictures of ripped engine tabs. It's ironic how you buy something to save your motorcycle and it ends up hurting a lot more.

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I've seen pictures like that many times before posted on this site. It's too bad you had to learn the hard way about engine mounted frame sliders.

Hope your shoulder heals up fast.

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Damn, Naked - that sucks. Sorry to hear about the mishap, but glad you didn't get hurt any worse than you did.



I have the cheap T-Rex sliders bought off of eBay too, but I mounted them differently which I hope will prove to be a wiser decision in the event of a layover.

HOWEVER, now that I think about it, I'm totally putting my trust in the strength of the hardware I used to mount them. I took off the little round plastic cap (see attached) and tapped the hole - that's where I mounted my sliders.
Anyone else doing this? Anyone see any red flags in doing so?
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That sucks!
Hard lessons are always the hardest to accept.
But New Bikes are Better!!!

Any chance your Coils can fall off the bike & end up at my house?

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that sucks!

But...... you were only looking at a new block before you drove it home. I'm sure the crank is still good as well as the top end if it hadn't lost oil pressure and things were still getting lubed (excluding the ground).

This is the perfect time to buy the bike back from the insurance company, find a replacement block to have bored out. While your at it put some high compression pistons in it. Big bore high compression, head ported to complement the other two and you'll be one bad mother ef'er on the road!

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Sorry about your loss.

Mine are coming off this weekend.

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That's pretty rough. Sorry about your bike.
I bought my bike used and it had the sliders mounted on the frame similar to omaha_919. They did their job, and I replaced them after I went down on it. And I ended up with the engine mounted ones...
Maybe I'll get lucky and someone will hit me and I'll get a new bike out of it instead of having to find a new tank and tail from the last accident :P

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I took off the little round plastic cap (see attached) and tapped the hole - that's where I mounted my sliders.
Anyone else doing this? Anyone see any red flags in doing so?
That is the recommended location for the sliders.

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gees dude... when is deer season in sc??? that ba$tard would be in the bbq pit next time i saw him... all joking aside i am glad your ok.. bruises notwithstanding and are able to tell us about this accident..... so what color 919 you getting this time??


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is there a how to on frame mounting the sliders???



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Dang, that sucks. I'm glad we don't have much of a deer problem out here in the desert that is SoCal, and most of the ones I do see are pretty small. I guess the lesson here is to turn around very quickly and run, or keep blinding the thing and go right at him, changing direction at the last second. Crap! I'm not sure what I would've done.

Anyway, sorry for the loss of your bike and hope you heal up quick!

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These POS engine mounted sliders have been well documented. The 919 Helpful Topics has them listed under Heads-Up. This is one reason I encourage ALL new 919 members to read the helpful topics.

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Very sorry to hear of you accident. Very glad you didn't get hurt worse by the deer. They can be very dangerous. Hope you heal quick and get back riding before the snow flies! Good luck!

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Sorry to hear about your misfortune NSS, glad you're OK though.

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Naked/SS, sorry to hear about your misfortune.

Not to knock anyone or insult anyone here, but why would anyone mount a high stress leverage point to their cast engine housing?

It's better to have loved and lost than live with the psycho for life!
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gees dude... when is deer season in sc??? that ba$tard would be in the bbq pit next time i saw him... all joking aside i am glad your ok.. bruises notwithstanding and are able to tell us about this accident..... so what color 919 you getting this time??


p.s. i'll let ya borrow my 30/06 but i want a hindquarter... and some backstrap
I believe only Bow season is in out there right now. And that's why smart bow hunters will be up in a tree this time of year because a buck will kick your butt when they are fighting for the does.

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Naked/SS, sorry to hear about your misfortune.

Not to knock anyone or insult anyone here, but why would anyone mount a high stress leverage point to their cast engine housing?
because thats where the instructions in the box says to put them....



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because thats where the instructions in the box says to put them....
The instructions should also come with a disclaimer. Warning... This bogus product could do serious damage to your engine!!!

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i want to move mine to the frame.. is there a step by step on how to doit?? if there is could someone link to it or post the thread.. i really really wanna move mine now



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i want to move mine to the frame.. is there a step by step on how to doit?? if there is could someone link to it or post the thread.. i really really wanna move mine now
The 919 Helpful Topics is your friend. Look under Maintenance/Helpful How-To's.

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Barton, see my post #6 for a visual.

1. take out the small round plastic cap
2. thread the hole to match the size & thread pitch of your bolt
3. affix slider to the new hole just as you would to any other hole

I remember the instructions I received with my T-REX sliders said to mount them over the engine tabs, I've contacted them to try to get a copy of the instructions.
Hopefully I can work with them to change their instructions. I may need to point them towards WT for some solid evidence that they need to change... wish me luck.

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^ or take MisterMikes advice & check out a very well done step by step with pics

https://www.wristtwisters.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=1518

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I remember the instructions I received with my T-REX sliders said to mount them over the engine tabs, I've contacted them to try to get a copy of the instructions.
Hopefully I can work with them to change their instructions. I may need to point them towards WT for some solid evidence that they need to change... wish me luck.
I contacted T-Rex many moons ago. They obviously could care less. Maybe you will have better luck. Keep us informed.

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^ or take MisterMikes advice & check out a very well done step by step with pics

https://www.wristtwisters.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=1518
thank you for finding that... this will be my weekend project



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mine will be removed this weekend, thats enough for me, hell, this mishap is actually on the opposite side of mikes picture, schniggies.





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Sorry about your loss! Get well soon!

I was charged by an open range big bull in the Nevada outback. The funny thing was I tried warning a passing VW to watch it and they were "shy", ignored me, then missed getting their can opened by an inch!

I notice the givi bars have a shared mount bolted to both the engine and frame...oh no! I am now thinking it would be wise to cut the engine tab off. Wonder how tough that is?

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Wow, Glad you are OK, Good luck with the insurance and finding a replacement!

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i hope you get better. that is some crazy crap. i have herd of trucks getting malled but bikes are, by my experence to loud.

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+1 I've seen cagers that have been mauled by our coastal deer (more like long legged dogs than deer) and the Nissan pickup I'm driving now had the right front fender ripped off it by a Mulie in Idaho a few years ago, can't imagine getting hit broadside by a deer on a motorcycle. Glad you're ok, bikes can be fixed or replaced.

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Question:

When you put on a aftermarket product that causes damage of this nature.. Does insurance cover it?

It's better to have loved and lost than live with the psycho for life!
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Sorry NakedSS...glad you are OK and hope your shoulder heals quick...looking at your poor busted engine is so sad...what a waste...but like others have said the bike can be replaced. Thanks for posting this so others can try to do things differently.

I rarely ride at night, but when I do deer are my biggest fear, but thats friggen freaky to have a deer come after you like that.

Get better dude!

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Colt/BarSto .45 in De Santis shoulder holster is the protection you need. Next time give that sob 3 or 4 Corbon 200g +Ps in the thorax. That'll take the Rut out of him.

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that sucks!

But...... you were only looking at a new block before you drove it home. I'm sure the crank is still good as well as the top end if it hadn't lost oil pressure and things were still getting lubed (excluding the ground).

This is the perfect time to buy the bike back from the insurance company, find a replacement block to have bored out. While your at it put some high compression pistons in it. Big bore high compression, head ported to complement the other two and you'll be one bad mother ef'er on the road!

Mmmmm, More power!!!
Exactly what I was thinking. This is totally fixable. Can be welded or replace the top crankcase if necessary. No need to rebuild or bore or port the head unless you want to.

Naked/SS, Send me your lump & the case half, I'll do it!

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When you put on a aftermarket product that causes damage of this nature.. Does insurance cover it?
Good question!

This is analogous to: Shake wooden roof owners, whose insurance company requested they replace it to a fire retardant design, but didn't and it burns down.

Those outcomes depend on many factors: degree of neglect and health of the insurance company. They are strict now! A friend made an ambulance claim on his Bodily Injury coverage. After initially approving it, they refused it, claiming it was only for liability of others, and he should have payed for medical coverage!

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Horrible! The manufacturer needs to see this and pay for these damages. If your insurance covers it, I wonder if they will go after them....

Glad you're OK though!

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The manufacturer needs to see this and pay for these damages. If your insurance covers it, I wonder if they will go after them....
Sure but the Manufacturer will defend with "what are the chances of being rammed by a deer?" J/K

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Horrible! The manufacturer needs to see this and pay for these damages. If your insurance covers it, I wonder if they will go after them....

Glad you're OK though!
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