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Bar-End Weights or Bar Snake?

Which will make a bigger difference? I currently have neither on my coerce ultra low bar and I'd like to remove some of (well, all) the vibration. Thoughts?

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my answer is a glancing blow to your question, but i find GREAT relief from using a Crampbuster. whatever you decide with handlebar weights, i strongly recommend you spend another $12 and get a Crampbuster. money well spent. google 'em if you're not familiar.

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Crampbusters blow!! I couldnt stand mine, I even bought both sizes! I went with Rizoma bar ends and Renthal bars with bar end Rizoma mirrors as well! Great combination but quite pricey!!


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Crampbusters blow!! I couldnt stand mine, I even bought both sizes! I went with Rizoma bar ends and Renthal bars with bar end Rizoma mirrors as well! Great combination but quite pricey!!
Why didn't you like it?

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It just didn't seem to matter which size I used or where I put it, it just always felt like it was in my way! Don't get me wrong, my wife LOVES hers!! It also does NOTHING for the vibration! It's a cheap try I guess if you think that's your answer? Just wasn't the answer for me!


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I have Coerce low bars and I put BOTH a Barsnake and barends on just to cover all my bases. So far, so good.
I also have a crampbuster but not for vibration, just to relax my throttle hand on long rides. I don't use it for everyday riding.

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I have Coerce low bars and I put BOTH a Barsnake and barends on just to cover all my bases. So far, so good.
I also have a crampbuster but not for vibration, just to relax my throttle hand on long rides. I don't use it for everyday riding.
You should take off your bar ends and report back

I'll even give you a cookie.

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I think my Renthal Streetfighter bars made more difference than anything!


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I think my Renthal Streetfighter bars made more difference than anything!
I have those bars on my and after riding 100 miles my hands are numb/buzzy. I am thinking about using OEM type automotive gasket maker and filling my bar. This is simply because I have access to the stuff. Can't immagine that the liquid bar snake is muck different....

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I to have a buzzy hand issue.... I have some pro tapers installed and my bar ends dont fit if the gasket maker works I'll follow suit, please let me know.

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Crampbusters most DEFINITELY help fight "The Buzzies" because you're not grasping your handlebar: just resting your hand on it really. it makes a HUGE difference for me. previously, after 15 minutes on the highway, i could not feel ANYTHING about my right hand. (insert your own dirty joke HERE _________) .
was never sure if i would be able to operate the front brake if i needed it, and if i grabbed it quickly, i was concerned i'd numbly grab too much and lock the front.

if riding really aggressively, it is a bit of a hindrance. but for most normal riding, i LOVE it. plus, it is $12 and can be installed/removed in a second with no tools and no damage.

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I have a Tag metals bar that wouldn't accept the typical bar ends. Used a bar snake and worked great. I would imagine that gasket maker might work, but if it doesn't . . . you're out of options. Good luck getting that stuff out once it's in.

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Anyone ever tried buck shot?

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Anyone ever tried buck shot?
I have not, but if I were to try it I would be sure to seal both ends with a good size plug of silicone and use smaller diameter shot rather than buck in order to get a tigher/denser pack of the material....hence a better effect.

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Hmmmmmm? I have the G2 Ergo threaded inserts in my Renthals and I might have a bag of #8 shot hiding somewhere, might have to give it a "shot"


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if you don't know the frequency of the vibes your fighting, you don't know how much weight to add or not. just "cramming more in" won't necessarily maximize benefit. but it's not as if i know how to figure how much weight to fight which band of what amplitude vibrations. i'd guess that trial and error work best, so maybe leave one end of your bars "openable" so you can try different amounts of shot. get a strong friend and lean the bike over to spill some out if needed. save time on removing the bars a dozen times.

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if you don't know the frequency of the vibes your fighting, you don't know how much weight to add or not. just "cramming more in" won't necessarily maximize benefit. .
DINGDINGDING! That, Sir, is the correct answer. My local Suspension and anti-vibration engineers put some Vibranators on my bike, and it KILLED the buzz. These replace the useless guts of the stock bar-end weight holders with a free-floating damper mass, and with a different bar-end weight. This company is called RICOR, and can be found on the internet (google them). I don't know if they have these listed for sale yet, but, if they don't just shoot a note to Don...he's the engineer that developed these, and ask him for the setup he put on Blackheart's 919.

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Here's the link to the Vibranators. It looks like some thought has been put into this design. I might plop down the cash on a set of these.....

http://www.vibranator.com/default.asp

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They have some local MX guys reporting a significant decrease in arm pump and heart rate when using these. The V-twin road guys seem to love them. I have two dual-sport thumpers that OBVIOUSLY benefit from vibration dampening, but, I thought my inline four CB felt fairly smooth. So, I was wondering what I was doing wrong when my hands would start to get numb on the CB. They put these in my bars, and BAM! Dead quiet. No more vibration, no more numb hands. (Actually, I do recall there is some vibration at around 2500 rpms...I'll have to go pay attention to be accurate...but, I never ride at 2500 rpms, so, it doesn't matter to me.)

Anyway, it's technology that actually comes from helicopter vibration dampening. The tonic muscle reflex contraction stemming from vibration is an interesting topic that's fun to explore, in case anyone is interested.

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70 bones holy shit thats more than my bars cost!

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70 bones holy shit thats more than my bars cost!
I'd be willing to bet they decrease the vibrations more than your bars, too!

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like people here...everywhere don't spend more than $70 on crap that they think makes them look cool. for comfort? for the SAFETY of being able to use the most important part of your body properly while motorcycling (other than your brain)? $70 is dirt. then again, that's what i spent on SHIPPING for the cam degreeing wheel and video i bought.

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Concerning vibrating parts and buzziness....

The bike vibes at a relatively consistent pitch (varying with rpms) right? But the bars only "buzz" at a particular RPM, their resonant frequency. It won't take much change to have a big impact on how the bars respond. It's definitely a trial-and-error issue. But its a cheap one if you DIY it. Cheap can be very rewarding.

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Well, a barsnake is on its way. I'll report back.

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Concerning vibrating parts and buzziness....

The bike vibes at a relatively consistent pitch (varying with rpms) right? But the bars only "buzz" at a particular RPM, their resonant frequency. It won't take much change to have a big impact on how the bars respond. It's definitely a trial-and-error issue. But its a cheap one if you DIY it. Cheap can be very rewarding.
It's actually a range in a certain frequency, with the potential to have more than one frequency range that resonates. The relative Deadness of the bars equipped with these devices speaks more than any words can explain.

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It's actually a range in a certain frequency, with the potential to have more than one frequency range that resonates. The relative Deadness of the bars equipped with these devices speaks more than any words can explain.
I've got Bar end mirrors, with standard Renthal bar ends right now. I'd like to keep this setup. Can you push the Vibranator in the bar far enough to clear bar ends or would it be to long?

Thanks!

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Well, a barsnake is on its way. I'll report back.
How many miles do you have? My 06 was smoother than my 07. It is starting to brother me a bit and I'm also looking for a solution.

I never tried a bar snake. I have put BB's and silcone in other bike that I've owned.

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I've got Bar end mirrors, with standard Renthal bar ends right now. I'd like to keep this setup. Can you push the Vibranator in the bar far enough to clear bar ends or would it be to long?

Thanks!
Good question. YEP! Just be sure and tell them you aren't going to be using a bar-end weight, but, you have bar-end mirrors. They'll be sure and provide the appropriate bolt. I've done some experimentation with these things, and it doesn't matter if the Vibranator is physically attached by a bolt to the bar-end weight, or, if it sits snugly by itself deeper within the bar.

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Mine are stock. They don't buzz enough for me to worry about. Maybe it's the Pro-Grip Gel grips.

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like people here...everywhere don't spend more than $70 on crap that they think makes them look cool. for comfort?
I bought a corbin, does that count?

The anti vibe things seem more like a crap shoot to me, maybe wrong.

And I didn't buy the handle bars to dampen the vibe I bought em cause they looked cool

Jeez

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Mine are stock. They don't buzz enough for me to worry about. Maybe it's the Pro-Grip Gel grips.
When I had the stock bars and end weights everything was ok. Now with Renthal's and Progrips I've got serious vibes at freeway speeds.

I took a 150 mile ride this weekend. By the time I got there my throttle hand was numb/buzzing and my arm ached all the way into my shoulder. It's all RPM related. Pull the clutch and trottle down, it instantly is smooth.

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Asphalt919, that is my exact same problem.
I'll hopefully be able to report back soon with a review of my barsnake.

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Asphalt919, that is my exact same problem.
I'll hopefully be able to report back soon with a review of my barsnake.
Look forward to hearing how it goes for you with the barsnake.

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ashphalt, you too sound like a candidate for a crampbuster... $12....

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i may give a crampbuster a go, I was thinking about one of those cheesy cruise control thingys buy my buddy had one that was pretty much junk.

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The anti vibe things seem more like a crap shoot to me, maybe wrong.
Very perceptive...and correct!

Different bikes have different resonant frequencies. What works to effectively reduce vibrations on a CB919 is different than what works most effectively on an XR650L. It's a bit of trial and error, but, it's based on well known science. Good thing for fellow CB919 owners that they were able to test this on mine...so, they know what works!

They also work on my XR650L, and KLR650. All are tuned just a smidgen differently for maximum effectiveness. Soon, I hope they have a set for the KLX250 I have. It makes that much difference to me...

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I ride long often, so I be estatic if I could get rid of the numb hand I kick myself in the ass for not retaining the stock grip as I've blown through 2 sets of after markets in around 20k they just suck! I've tried the Pillow tops and the spider grips liked em both fine but they just wore out real quick! I used to not give a flying fornication about 70 bucks but times changed and dough is low, I'd hate to fork it over and have minimal effect.

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Got my bar snake in the mail today. Took all of two minutes to put in. I only took it about 5 or 6 miles to run an errand so this review is a bit short sighted. That being said, at speed, it feels a lot better. I found myself cruising a little faster as I wasn't getting as much of a sensation of speed through the handlebars. It will take a longer ride to see what sustained vibrations at cruising speed does for the numbness, but I'm excited to find out.

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Bar snake worked pretty well for me. No vibration issues at all.

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Jay what kind of bars are you running?

Brick what is the inner diameter of your bars? And how much was the snake?

I have some protapers and I had a hard time trying to find some bar ends I gave up, the ones blackheart posted have an vibranator deale-o that'll fit but my wallet is tighter than a frogs ass this month.

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