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post #1 of 57 Old 09-25-2009, 11:28 AM Thread Starter
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anyone use a fork brace??

so i was playin around on google looking for parts to spruce up my suspension when i stumbled upon this. . . . . Honda CBR 919 (CB 900 F) 2002-2007, Honda - SuperBrace - The Ultimate Fork Stabilizer anyone use anything like this on the 919s? is it a waste of money?

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post #2 of 57 Old 09-25-2009, 11:33 AM
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* Reduces low and high speed wobbles.
* Improves stability in tight cornering.
* Improves tire life and reduces cupping.
* Decreases sensitivity to rough road surfaces and rain grooves.
* Each SuperBrace is designed and manufactured for each specific motorcycle.
* Every SuperBrace is made of 6061-T6 aircraft aluminum and machined to a tolerance of + or - .002 of an inch, with a polished finish.
* Ten minute easy installation.
* Competition proven by world class racers.

I don't get it... I mean, how can it do those things?

I'm skeptical

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Ok, does that happen to that degree that it would actually cause wobble?

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I get it that more stability closer to the axle is a good thing. But all of the things mentioned in the list are non-issues (at least for me) on my 9. Granted, I'm not a racer, and I only push myself really hard on Sandbank... That, coupled with the very high price, makes me skeptical, too. Maybe if it was around 50 bucks I'd give it a whirl.

Maybe a racer will pop in here and give us some more insight.

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I saw the simulation, but I still don't buy it... I mean, yeah there might be a little bit of flex, but look how long people have been riding, even racing motorcycles without ever having a flex issue.

Maybe someone else *cough* Rob *cough* LDH could shed some light on the situation.
I'm just a guy who rides for fun. But I think this has nothing more to add in the way of performance than the color of the paint.
(black is fastest )

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hmmm i was thinking along the lines of you guys where it may do a little but may not be worth the price. i understand the theory behind it and i saw the simulation although im sure its a little exaggerated. hopefully someone with in-depth suspension knowledge can chime in

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these topics are so dumb. sorry. your looking for someplace to blow your money. just do it already.

this place is full of hard FACT that half the stuff you throw on that bike do absolutely nothing good, sometimes even bad. ya'll do it anways.

ill make you a cooler one for $100

if the bottom of that flexed like that..... lol...... it would snap off in short order

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ill make you a cooler one for $100

If you laser-engrave an HD logo on it, you could probably get about $300 for it

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these topics are so dumb. sorry. your looking for someplace to blow your money. just do it already.

this place is full of hard FACT that half the stuff you throw on that bike do absolutely nothing good, sometimes even bad. ya'll do it anways.

ill make you a cooler one for $100

if the bottom of that flexed like that..... lol...... it would snap off in short order
so everything you dont know that you ask about is dumb??? you get this (im the one with the gloves)

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My '84 V65 Sabre had one designed in as stock from the manufacturer (Honda). Honda must have thought it did something for the bike. The made it look like a little spoiler in between the down tubes, by the top of the fender.
Sorry, I never rode the bike without it to see the difference.


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post #11 of 57 Old 09-25-2009, 03:52 PM
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A picture is worth a 1000 words. No fork brace-No problem.


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If they make it,it can be sold.Hang on to your money.I agree not necesary.

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post #13 of 57 Old 10-05-2009, 08:45 PM
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Consider this.
For equal length, stiffness increases by the 4th power of the change in diameter.
The fork tubes are the issue.
My 919 weighs the same as my 73 CB750. But the 919 fork tubes are 43 mm instead of 36.
So the 919 tubes are 2 x as stiff as my old CB750.
Then consider how much force you can put into those tubes by either street riding or even track days with sticky street tires.
You're barking up the wrong tree.
There's more stiction from those overly effective fork seals and internal friction than any flex you'll ever be able to detect.
And a 919 at top end is rock solid stable, as in 140 mph.
Worse yet, too rigid a brace can make things worse, as the fork legs can't float around on the tubes and internal bushings looking for clearance to minimize stiction.
A 919 does not need a fork brace, just like it doesn't need a steering dampener.

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Yup, I've got one... it came with my bike.

I"m sure it works, at least it helps me to go faster...

cause before I got my 9er, I could only go about 170km/h in my minivan... now that I've got the 9er with the fork brace, I can easily hit 220km/h

so, I'm sure it helps me go faster - plus its black, so its bada$$ too.

I would test further, but it doesn't seem like they've got a model for my minivan yet, and I"m not willing to go any slower on my 9er.

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I think it helps....on my dirt bike when I'm hitting embedded rocks. I wouldn't put one on my 919. But, that's just me.

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Yup, I've got one... it came with my bike.

I"m sure it works, at least it helps me to go faster...

cause before I got my 9er, I could only go about 170km/h in my minivan... now that I've got the 9er with the fork brace, I can easily hit 220km/h

so, I'm sure it helps me go faster - plus its black, so its bada$$ too.

I would test further, but it doesn't seem like they've got a model for my minivan yet, and I"m not willing to go any slower on my 9er.
dude, it was a question. no need to be a about it.

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I think it helps....on my dirt bike when I'm hitting embedded rocks. I wouldn't put one on my 919. But, that's just me.
OH, if anyone does get this, make certain when it tightens down that it's not binding on the tubes in any way. I've heard of some very weird wear patterns on the forks from torqued braces. Even small errors in installation can create some funky fork action...just pay attention and do it correctly is all I'm trying to say. Again, this comes from off-road experience, not on-road, but it only makes sense the caution about installation applies to each.

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dude, it was a question. no need to be a about it.
I'm pretty sure he was joking. :001_smile:

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For $143, you could respring the rear shock, with $$ to spare, and actually make a very noticable improvement.

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i use a fork brace when i am eating lasagna...... occasionally i would take too big a bite and the fork would bend/twist as i lifted from plate to mouth... but now with the fork brace all is good....



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i give up. no more questions from me

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I'm pretty sure he was joking. :001_smile:
yes, that was a little snide remark...

judging by the comments of riders far more experienced than I, it doesn't sound as though its needed.

however, I spoke with the original owner and guy that installed it on my bike, and he was under the impression that the front end would "skate" without it - he was very proud of having installed it, along with racetech springs in the front end.

so, if you've got the money, and want to install it, spend the money.

As has been mentioned by many many 919 owners, there is NOTHING that you can purchase for this bike that'll make it a race bike suddenly. though there are clearly some very talented racers that ride this bike.

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don't be that way....

ask a question about oil or tires......



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As has been mentioned by many many 919 owners, there is NOTHING that you can purchase for this bike that'll make it a race bike suddenly. though there are clearly some very talented racers that ride this bike.
You hit the nail on the head. A 919 is not a race back, and a lousy platform to build a race bike, unless a modern day "UJM heavy weight production" class is created. However, upgrades to the front and rear suspension along with good tires literally transform the bike, just like an ancient CB750 was transformed by nothing more than decent fork oil, a set of Konis on the back, and Dunlop K81s.
Being a lesser rider, I use the RaceTech front and Penske rear to let me cook faster with very few Hail Mary moments at Track Days. The chassis is fine, and the swing arm is fine, for street tires and Track Days. Any pogoing you read about is rear suspension unit related and not swing arm flex nor chassis flex. The bike is easy to hustle around on a track, rock steady, and very predictable. Sure, a legit expert level road racer could make one go into contortions, but any one that good is most likely also going to be exploring the limits on more narrow purpose machinery instead of a modern day UJM.

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Mmm, armchair mechanics...

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I will hang it out here.
Fork braces had there place in older bikes, like my 1979 Honda 750. The forks where not as well designed as they are today.
This went for several other aspects of that bike, which no longer applies today.
I do not believe any modern bike needs fork braces.

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I will hang it out here.
Fork braces had there place in older bikes, like my 1979 Honda 750. The forks where not as well designed as they are today.
This went for several other aspects of that bike, which no longer applies today.
I do not believe any modern bike needs fork braces.
i applaud you, finally a non sarcastic, honest opinion/response. thank you :001_smile:

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The front end of the 04+ 919s are decent. It's the rear end you need to attend to if you want to see a real improvement.

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That's a real nice shot and I can see the wear on the right knee puck.

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An experienced rider freind of mine has one on his FiZZy One, he swears by it!

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An experienced rider freind of mine has one on his FiZZy One, he swears by it!
what is a fizzy one? i dont speak ebonics

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what is a fizzy one? i dont speak ebonics
*paging Dr. McCrimmon*
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It is after all a 919 forum.. *cough* *cough*

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There is a black anodized superBrace on Craigslist in eastern Connecticut right now for $125 if anyone is interested. Just passing along the info... From what I am reading in this thread is sounds like it's just as effective as most strut tower braces are on modern cars

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Don't no-one go near it!

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That's pretty lame that the guys making the superbraces can screw people into buying these. I mean who wouldn't want better handling for that price?

I used to have an FJR and around 1/2 of those that tried them said they'd do it again.

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That's pretty lame that the guys making the superbraces can screw people into buying these. I mean who wouldn't want better handling for that price?

I used to have an FJR and around 1/2 of those that tried them said they'd do it again.
Yea, maybe for other bikes these help... But apparently not the nineONEnine. When you put a custom suspension part on your car, even, sometimes you'll find it didn't even make a difference. Honda engineers did this bike right from the factory I guess.

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I guess it would have helped some older bikes with thin forks but all I can see it doing to a 919 is tying the fork up in knots.

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The FJR also had those massive 48mm jobbies, most would say it only helped with the stock springs. Once stiffened up, the brace didn't do anything. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

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Didn't the FJR also have significantly wider-set forks?

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