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post #1 of 11 Old 07-06-2008, 09:13 PM Thread Starter
 
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919 suspension

Yes, again.

Except now I'm efing confused as hell.

The track guys at Willow Springs (ESP from Tucson) set up the suspension on my 919.
They maxed out the shock preload and were still looking for more, same with the forks. Then they adjusted the rebound and recommended raising the forks 3mm.

I told them about the Race Tech kit that I hadn't installed yet and an Ohlins shock when I can justify the cost.

The bike felt more hooked up and predictable, I'm sure the Power 2CTs helped a little.
I just need to get used to the handling, it feels so different.

I was going faster through all the turns but felt like the opposite.
Wierd.

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post #2 of 11 Old 07-06-2008, 10:50 PM
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Not confusing at all -- the closer you get to the optimum the better it works and the less dramatic in a corner. Less drama makes for smoother, especially if it was set up too soft to begin with, and that feels slower regardless of how fast you're going. It certainly sounds like you need stiffer springs -- while bumping the preload to get the sag right is all well and good, it doesn't change the rate of the spring involved, which at optimum should have no preload on it at all other than what is required to short out the dead coils with the suspension topped out. If possible find an original spring from an '02 or '03, which are generally regarded as too stiff, and give it a try -- mine is at the lowest preload and still pretty stiff, but the faster I go the better it feels. You'd probably hate it on the street, but on the track ...

Anyway, hold off on the Ohlins shock until you try it with the proper rate springs -- you may be surprised.

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I have the .9 kilogram springs for the front.

I'll call Race Tech and check for a shock spring.

I could have easily went faster but the handling felt strange.
I'll have to get used to it on GMR before they close it.

Next track day is Streets of Willow on August 8th; I'll try to sort it all out before then.

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I don't believe theres any aftermarket springs availible for the 919. An old trick to increase spring rate is to cut off a coil, flatten out the top of the spring so it sits flush, then install a spacer to take up the slack. Measure everything befor you cut to make sure you don't end up coil binding.

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every now again you can find a ohlins spring forsale, I did its sweet

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I have the .9 kilogram springs for the front.

I'll call Race Tech and check for a shock spring.

I could have easily went faster but the handling felt strange.
I'll have to get used to it on GMR before they close it.

Next track day is Streets of Willow on August 8th; I'll try to sort it all out before then.
why go though all that work Just do the track day with the new Tuono Gotta be better suited stock than the 9'er fixed up

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why go though all that work Just do the track day with the new Tuono Gotta be better suited stock than the 9'er fixed up
Haven't enjoyed it enough to risk wadding it up.

Also, the 919 is a keeper and my daily commuter.

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Agreed suspension is what most guys that are fast spend the most money on. Of course good rubber helps. Is it really worth it to spend alot on a 919 suspension. You have a well set-up Tuono why not use it for track days. I should know and it has turned a wheel in anger on the track. One of my best days ever at the track was on it.

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Maybe later this year. I'd like to do it at Willow Springs where the 919 is always getting spanked in the straights.

Next is Streets of Willow, followed by Buttonwillow.

In any event, I have to "fix" the 919 suspension. Again, it's my daily commuter.

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Good luck on straights I was getting spanked at Summit Main. I was letting off early for turn one. Still I would get a good run out of the last turn only to have a 600 or 750 pass me. They have more steam up top. I would reel them back in the turns.
You should a Hawk GT at Willow Springs. I got passed like crazy down the front straight. I was urging that thing on half way down. Okay 115 come 120.

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Ahhh another thing we 919 tracksters have in common.... getting passed in the straights.

The suspention of the 919 is worth upgrades, if nothing elce, for ride quality.

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