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919 rear wheel bearings-- where should I get them from?

My bike started eating the right side bearing 100 miles into a 250 mile ride yesterday. I knew they were worn, I'd started noticing a little bit of side-to-side play when I had it up on the centerstand for chain stuff the last few months, but I didn't expect it to get as bad as quickly as it did in one day. With 46k miles on the bike I'm not even really mad, I had plenty of warning and it's my own dang fault that now I have to park the bike until I can get new bearings.

Anyways, my choices seem to be: 1) pop out old bearings, go to local supplier and get a match. 2) Order OEM, at OEM prices. 3) Get a set from All Balls or Pivotworks through the shop I work at, at employee prices.

1 I'm concerned about whether they'll be the same spec as the OEM bearings even if the size is the same. I don't really know how bearings are rated as far as strength goes.

2 is obviously both expensive and slow, but if the consensus is that OEM bearings are the best, I'll deal with it.

3 I haven't heard great things about All Balls, although the fact that I can get the kit for about twenty bucks is a compelling argument. Is Pivotworks better? They'll run me about $55 and that seems like a very large price difference.


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Boss bearings on eBay, they sell a real nice quality Japanese set for a decent price

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My bike started eating the right side bearing 100 miles into a 250 mile ride yesterday. I knew they were worn, I'd started noticing a little bit of side-to-side play when I had it up on the centerstand for chain stuff the last few months, but I didn't expect it to get as bad as quickly as it did in one day. With 46k miles on the bike I'm not even really mad, I had plenty of warning and it's my own dang fault that now I have to park the bike until I can get new bearings.

Anyways, my choices seem to be: 1) pop out old bearings, go to local supplier and get a match. 2) Order OEM, at OEM prices. 3) Get a set from All Balls or Pivotworks through the shop I work at, at employee prices.

1 I'm concerned about whether they'll be the same spec as the OEM bearings even if the size is the same. I don't really know how bearings are rated as far as strength goes.

2 is obviously both expensive and slow, but if the consensus is that OEM bearings are the best, I'll deal with it.

3 I haven't heard great things about All Balls, although the fact that I can get the kit for about twenty bucks is a compelling argument. Is Pivotworks better? They'll run me about $55 and that seems like a very large price difference.
Be careful with ebay bearings. A lot of China made fakes out there, they even mark them as real thing...SKF, made in Japan, fake brand name boxes etc. , Google it. Market of fake bearing is huge. I would just pick up a set from any Honda online dealer, partszilla etc.

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Local bearing house or industry supply are my choices.

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The ones I put in mine all said japan on them


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The ones I put in mine all said japan on them
they fake markings very well. Hope it's not the case with ones you got. Trusted/listed supplier is the only way to know for sure. Honda and their dealer network is one of them.

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BTW, All balls are made in china, just FYI

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http://www.bossbearing.com/mobile/Pr...uctCode=SB-230

Direct from their website same price I got them for off eBay

A tip for you if the bearing is totally shelled... Use a dremel to carefully grind most of the way through the outer race then wedge a small chisel between it and the rim the race should break and come out in 2-3 pieces

That is if you don't have a blind hole puller

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Rear Wheel Bearings and Seals Kit Honda CB900F (919) 2002-2007

Direct from their website same price I got them for off eBay

A tip for you if the bearing is totally shelled... Use a dremel to carefully grind most of the way through the outer race then wedge a small chisel between it and the rim the race should break and come out in 2-3 pieces

That is if you don't have a blind hole puller
I would email them and ask who makes their stuff. Obviously they are not the manufacturer... .

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I would email them and ask who makes their stuff. Obviously they are not the manufacturer... .
+1 on this! Bearing manufacturers are required to show country of origin on the products. Made in China is not ok.

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BTW, All balls are made in china, just FYI
You sure?

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For whats it's worth I have always used Allballs, as does a close friend who owns a successful bike shop. Nigher one of us has ever had a problem.

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As for the bashing of China, on many instances they have as high if not higher manufacturing standards that Japan, Europe, and the US.

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All Balls as a name, OPs question #3. All Balls All Balls Racing

Did you think I was saying all ball bearings are made in china? no no no

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Yeah, it read that way. My mistake.

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As for the bashing of China, on many instances they have as high if not higher manufacturing standards that Japan, Europe, and the US.
As long as you stick with the big names. I believe most of them have plants in China now, with stricter quality control.

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If it's any consolation I've got 10k+ on my rear set of Boss bearings with no issues

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As for the bashing of China, on many instances they have as high if not higher manufacturing standards that Japan, Europe, and the US.
sure... that's why SKF, FAG, Timken, koyo etc are still in business with their products priced 10x-20x of china made competition.
Same goes for optics and other high precision parts/tools/equipment.
China does not have that market..................... yet. Freaking watches...... china still can't make them as well: watch cases, watch bands, watch boxes.....Japan movt

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As long as you stick with the big names. I believe most of them have plants in China now, with stricter quality control.
exactly...

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All Balls as a name, OPs question #3. All Balls All Balls Racing

Did you think I was saying all ball bearings are made in china? no no no

Maybe he thought you meant all balls are made in China.

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As long as you stick with the big names. I believe most of them have plants in China now, with stricter quality control.

Yeppers. People seem to be oblivious if the fact that Chinese manufacturing is growing exponentially in quality and efficiency.

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sure... that's why SKF, FAG, Timken, koyo etc are still in business with their products priced 10x-20x of china made competition.
Same goes for optics and other high precision parts/tools/equipment.
China does not have that market..................... yet. Freaking watches...... china still can't make them as well: watch cases, watch bands, watch boxes.....Japan movt

I put over 100k on a set of front and rear all Balls bearings on my last bike, just because they are made in China and sell for less money is in no way an implication of lower quality. If you look at much of the technology and items that you consider to be "high quality" much of it is manufactured in China.

Unless the rest of the world modernizes and increases efficiency and quality, China will surpass most of the globe in manufacturing and engineering.

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Unless the rest of the world modernizes and increases efficiency and quality, China will surpass most of the globe in manufacturing and engineering.
Until such times (lets hope it won't happen for our kids sake) my bikes/vehicles/machinery will not have Chinese bearings, my wrist will not wear Chinese watches and my rifles will not have Chinese optics

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Until such times (lets hope it won't happen for our kids sake) my bikes/vehicles/machinery will not have Chinese bearings, my wrist will not wear Chinese watches and my rifles will not have Chinese optics

Oh, I agree completely. Sadly though, we are sitting idly by and allowing it to happen. US manufacturing is stagnant and somewhat in a state of regression.

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There are stock Honda bearings and a cheaper Japanese bearing alternative on Ebay. Check it out. They are one of the top manufacturers of bearings in JP, the name escapes me though. Blue box

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Found the Usa listing for much better price and comes with all the seals. Ebay item 360693174372

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I went to the local bearing place when mine went out on the 919. Man, those things fit tight. Grease both the bearing and wheel surface.

If it's from China, it's crap. Crap X exponential = crap. Those poor people are about a half a notch above slaves.

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Looks like all has been said on the bearings.

I have just replaced mine, oem both sides.

You might want to consider the seals, my bearings were chewed through as a result of the seal allowing water in. Judging by your picture, that old seal is not going to see anymore service.

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Hey guys..

Great thread.. Does anyone have the bearing and seal specs for the three bearings as I would like to try to source them out locally ... Thanks all!

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Looks like all has been said on the bearings.

I have just replaced mine, oem both sides.

You might want to consider the seals, my bearings were chewed through as a result of the seal allowing water in. Judging by your picture, that old seal is not going to see anymore service.
Good call, didn't even think of that (duh). On order from the local Honda dealer, hopefully bearings and seals will get here at the same time.

This stupid bike runs so well I don't even have any other maintenance to do during this downtime. Someone suggested "washing" it but I don't know what that is...

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just did mine couple moths ago with all balls,,,,
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So in case anyone was thinking about ordering Koyo or Nachi bearings from Boss Bearings-- I tried placing an order Thursday evening (PST). Should have shipped out Friday as they were listed as available and shipping same business day. After not hearing from them over the weekend I emailed customer service today just before 5pm EST and was told, sorry, they're out of the bearings needed for the 919 kit and have no ETA on when they'll have more. Would've been nice if the product page had been updated. Actually, since the kit is listed as available on their ebay store, I have no fucking idea what's going on there.

Plan B: grumpily getting them from the local bearing supplier.

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So in case anyone was thinking about ordering Koyo or Nachi bearings from Boss Bearings-- I tried placing an order Thursday evening (PST). Should have shipped out Friday as they were listed as available and shipping same business day. After not hearing from them over the weekend I emailed customer service today just before 5pm EST and was told, sorry, they're out of the bearings needed for the 919 kit and have no ETA on when they'll have more. Would've been nice if the product page had been updated. Actually, since the kit is listed as available on their ebay store, I have no fucking idea what's going on there.

Plan B: grumpily getting them from the local bearing supplier.
Check monmouthcycles.com under oem Honda parts. One of the cheapest oem part resources I have seen. Not sure what amount qualifies for free shipping. Id order bearings, seals, oem air filter maybe new clutch cable and whatever else oem one needs for maintenance. That's what I normally do.

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