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post #1 of 57 Old 03-22-2009, 02:30 PM Thread Starter
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919 Rear Suspension

I would like some compression & rebound adjustability on my 919. Will a stock rear shock from any other bike (CBR954RR, CBR1000RR) fit on a 919?

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other than that I would say No, the 919 is a direct swing arm to shock connection and most sport bikes use a linkage system.

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Call Dan Kyle Racing, see how much a ohlins rear would be... could also get them to adjust the fronts for your weight too!

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Yea. Even if another bike's shock would fit, the likelyhood that spring/damping rates were good for a 919 are slim to none.

I'm a penske man myself.

These guys offer a cheaper alternative. Website doesn't show a shock for the 9'r but I know they sell them. Sugest calling them if you think over $600 for a penske or Ohlins is too extreme.

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Sorry. These guys.

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You may have to talk to more than one person at Progressive to get an informed answer. I have a Progressive shock for my 919 and recently lost one of the mounting spacers. I sent them an e-mail to ask how to buy another one and they replied that they don't make a shock for the 919. I had another spacer made at the machine shop.
The Progressive does feel better than the stock shock, but Penske and Ohlins are supposed to be noticeably better. If you can afford the Ohlins go for it!

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You may have to talk to more than one person at Progressive to get an informed answer. I have a Progressive shock for my 919 and recently lost one of the mounting spacers. I sent them an e-mail to ask how to buy another one and they replied that they don't make a shock for the 919. I had another spacer made at the machine shop.
The Progressive does feel better than the stock shock, but Penske and Ohlins are supposed to be noticeably better. If you can afford the Ohlins go for it!
How much does a Progressive shock cost?

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Not sure what they cost. I got my '04 used and it was already on there. I took it off when the bike was totalled. I'd guess they cost around $400.

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The newer 919's have a rear shock that has rebound adjustment (though no compression adjustment).
Maybe a take-off or salvaged OEM part would do?

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An F3 rear shock is a direct fit and will give you both comp and rebound adjustability. There used to be data around here somewhere with all the measurements. The F4i is a tad too long and will kick up the rear more than you may like. If it's an old eBay part you might consider having it serviced by your local suspension guru. I have that coupled with rebuilt F4i fronts and while not perfect it's good enough.

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A 04 stock shock is a world of difference over the 02 stock shock for not much $$. I was able to dial out the pogostick effect on sharp bumps/cracks with the rebound adjustment.

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I have a '03 919, originally equipped with preload only shock.

I went from that stock shock to an '04 shock (eBay). Preload and rebound damping. Some improvement.

...Now have gone to the Progressive Suspension 420 shock. This is a big improvement over both the stock '03 and the '04 replacement. PS says it is no longer being made, but these shocks are still in some supply-house inventories. I got it from Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse for $315.

My hypothetical next move would be a Penske, but I need to ride more on the current set-up to see if I want to try it. I am a not-incredibly-demanding older rider, and having arrived at much better than stock now, am unsure how much better beyond this I want/need to go (trying to retain some sense of realism concerning abilities, needs, benefits, and costs)...

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roktbox, do you no someone who has mounted an F3 shock on a 919? I would be very interested in giving this a shot. With some refitting you may be abe to used the 919 spring on the F3 part and keep the rear height as is.

Tom, do you still have the '04 shock?

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tpoppa,

Yes, I have the '04 shock. If you would like to try it, send me a PM with your shipping address and I will send it to you.

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hmmm...i feel informed now. i may have a cost-effective upgrade from stock...right... over...here! yay! FREE UPGRADES i love having boxes and boxes of random parts laying around! when i get a chance to ride it, i'll try to let you guys know what i think of the F4i shock.

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roktbox, do you no someone who has mounted an F3 shock on a 919? I would be very interested in giving this a shot. With some refitting you may be abe to used the 919 spring on the F3 part and keep the rear height as is.
Me, myself, and I did it. I turned the wrench while me and myself drank most of the beer and sat around complaining. I'll post some pictures of the differences, but I don't think you want the F4i unit in there. It's too long and will make your sidestand almost unusable on anything other than perfectly flat pavement.

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F4i on the left. Stock '03 on the right:



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I've been riding a Buell XB9S for the last 30k miles, mostly on weekend trips through the twisities. I picked up a clean, stock 2002 919 last year but didn't ride it much. I have a kid on the way so I couldn't justify keeping 2 bikes. A guy really wanted the Buell so I sold it. Now the 919 is my primary backroad tool.

I am really just learing about the 919 now. In stock form, the motor has TONS of usable, linear power. On smooth sweepers it's rock solid, but I'm trying to improve the handling on those bumpy Ohio roads. So far:
-I dropped the front 10mm.
-Ordered a set of Renthal ultra-lows
-I'm just looking into suspension options now-this thread has been very helpful.

Are there any other common suspension mods that people do to 919's?

Thanks again Tom!

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so we see the f4i shock is approx 1" taller which will change the rear end geometry quite drastically ...

does anyone have a f3 rear to compair to the 919's??



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I recall that they're the same (or so close that you'd never notice), but if anyone cares to measure the F3 unit I'll measure the stocker as closely as I can. I think I put that thing on back in 2005.

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Yes, I have the '04 shock. If you would like to try it, send me a PM with your shipping address and I will send it to you.
Wow, that's incredibly nice of you. I am very jealous of tpoppa.

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the progressive suspension 420 shock is a sensible solution,
around $300, big improvement over stock, well worth it.

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Thanks, timbo813. It will be interesting to see what tpoppa thinks when he tries that shock.

drivit, I agree: for the given price, the Progressive Suspension shock provides a significant boost in performance over either stock shock option. Nobody is representing it to be on a par with a Penske or an Ohlins...and they never should...

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Are there any other common suspension mods that people do to 919's?

Thanks again Tom!
Some guys have done a complete front end swap and others have replaced the springs and oil in their existing forks. I don't know much about either but you might try a search.

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The Ohlins unit (I work for the worlds largest Ohlins dealer btw) is a great shock for the 919 & even better on the 599 (that little bike plain flat out rails), it's just that even with a quality shock installed the 919 still wallows around when pushed. The Ohlins makes it much more compliant in terms of alleviating the rough ride & there is significant improvement in tire wear, but the bike still ties itself in knots when you try to go fast. The weak chassis & super flexy swingarm just don't get the job done.

The 599 on the other hand is pretty damn solid and the Ohlins shock on it is a much greater return on the investment in my opinion. Quite frankly there are things you can do with that Ohlins shock installed on that little bike that you simply couldn't do before.

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I've asked LDH if the addition of an Ohlins might help alieviate some of the frame and swingarm flex. He is of the opinion that an Ohlins will likely make it worse because the new shock will enable the bike to hook up better, thus exerting more force on the bike.

The Ohlins sure makes it ride nice tho.

Besides a little frame flex never killed anyone... I think.

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Has anyone tried a braced swingarm on their 919? Braced swingarms seem to be bigger in the UK. UK companies (JMC or Metmatchex) will brace a 919 swingarm for between 140 and 170 pounds (about $300, I think).

I'm curious to know if an aftermarket shock and a braced swingarm is a big improvement on the 919, or if there is still significant flex in the frame.

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What amazes me the most is that you guys just cannot be happy with the bike as it is... The 919 is one of the best designed bikes of all times. Easy to ride, fun, low maintenance, bullet proof motor the list goes on & on... My only real complaint would be the semi-sloppy throttle response, but a Powercommander sorts that out real quick. I mean if you want a better handling bike or a faster one then buy one as there are a myriad of choices out there that surpass the 919's ability to be an "R-type" bike, but none of them will be a better all around'er than the 919 is.

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would anybody like to help me with an '04 shock?


I too would be very interested to know more details about fitting an F3 shock, as there is an abundance of them on eBay.


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I mean if you want a better handling bike or a faster one then buy one as there are a myriad of choices out there that surpass the 919's ability to be an "R-type" bike, but none of them will be a better all around'er than the 919 is.
i can't speak for anyone else, but i'm not tryin to make my 919 handle like a modern supersport; i just want the rear wheel to stay on the ground!



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I too would be very interested to know more details about fitting an F3 shock, as there is an abundance of them on eBay.
1. Buy an F3 shock
2. Utilize centerstand or bodge such a device OR hang her from the garage ceiling to unweight her rear end
3. Remove stock unit
4. Install said F3 shock
5. Ride, adjust, ride, adjust

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I did some checking over the winter as to wether respringing the stock shock was possible and how. My local Yamaha dealer is an Ohlins dealer. They said we could ship my shock to Ohlins, they wouuld have to do some measuring and calculating, and they thought they could come up with a lighter spring that would work. The spring itself would be about $100, and shipping and time to do the measuring and calculating would likely be another $100. So for a total of $200, I could have resprung my stock shock. I rode a friend's FZ1 that had been resprung, with the stock shock, and it was a nice improvement. Not perfect, but it rode much nicer. If I didn't already have an Ohlins on my 919, I guarentee I would have a resprung rear shock.

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I did some checking over the winter as to wether respringing the stock shock was possible and how. My local Yamaha dealer is an Ohlins dealer. They said we could ship my shock to Ohlins, they wouuld have to do some measuring and calculating, and they thought they could come up with a lighter spring that would work. The spring itself would be about $100, and shipping and time to do the measuring and calculating would likely be another $100. So for a total of $200, I could have resprung my stock shock. I rode a friend's FZ1 that had been resprung, with the stock shock, and it was a nice improvement. Not perfect, but it rode much nicer. If I didn't already have an Ohlins on my 919, I guarentee I would have a resprung rear shock.
when ppl say you should get it resprung for you weight (or just in general), what exactly does that entail?

how heavy of a rider is the '02 919's rear shock sprung for?

one more question, what is the factory preload setting on the '02 919? I think it's 2 (1 being the lowest), but i'm not sure.



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I'm not sure I understand your first question. Any decent motorcycle shop can swap a spring for you. But first you must have the correct spring, which is the 100 dollar question.

The 02 is sprung for aprox 320 pounds.

don't know. doesn't matter.

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1. Buy an F3 shock
2. Utilize centerstand or bodge such a device OR hang her from the garage ceiling to unweight her rear end
3. Remove stock unit
4. Install said F3 shock
5. Ride, adjust, ride, adjust
How does the F3 Spring compare to the stocker? Is it noticeably firmer/softer?

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I did some checking over the winter as to wether respringing the stock shock was possible and how. My local Yamaha dealer is an Ohlins dealer. They said we could ship my shock to Ohlins, they wouuld have to do some measuring and calculating, and they thought they could come up with a lighter spring that would work. The spring itself would be about $100, and shipping and time to do the measuring and calculating would likely be another $100. So for a total of $200, I could have resprung my stock shock. I rode a friend's FZ1 that had been resprung, with the stock shock, and it was a nice improvement. Not perfect, but it rode much nicer. If I didn't already have an Ohlins on my 919, I guarentee I would have a resprung rear shock.
Has anybody done this? Seems like if somebody did it and told us the proper spring for their weight then we could get much closer to what is needed for $100 rather than $200. I know I weigh about 200 geared up. I'm guessing most on here are much closer to that number than the 320 the bike is sprung for. If nobody has done it but they are interested I would be willing to chip in if they are close to my weight. Or, maybe we could get a group buy from somebody who would be willing to calculate it out for us so they could sell a bunch of springs.

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Has anybody done this? Seems like if somebody did it and told us the proper spring for their weight then we could get much closer to what is needed for $100 rather than $200. I know I weigh about 200 geared up. I'm guessing most on here are much closer to that number than the 320 the bike is sprung for. If nobody has done it but they are interested I would be willing to chip in if they are close to my weight. Or, maybe we could get a group buy from somebody who would be willing to calculate it out for us so they could sell a bunch of springs.
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RIDER WEIGHT W/ GEAR 120 - 160 lbs.
SPRING LENGTH X SPRING RATE= 5.00" X 800 lbs

RIDER WEIGHT W/ GEAR 160 - 190 lbs.
SPRING LENGTH X SPRING RATE= 5.00" X 900 lbs

RIDER WEIGHT W/ GEAR 190 - 225 lbs.
SPRING LENGTH X SPRING RATE= 5.00" X 1000 lbs

RIDER WEIGHT W/ GEAR 225 - 260 lbs.
SPRING LENGTH X SPRING RATE= N/A

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I'm not sure I understand your first question. Any decent motorcycle shop can swap a spring for you. But first you must have the correct spring, which is the 100 dollar question.
I guess I misunderstood what you were saying earlier. I wasn't sure if respringing your shock meant reworking the OEM spring or not.

so when you get your stock rear suspension resprung, that means you have a new spring made specifically for you to replace the OEM spring? That sounds like it would be well worth 100-200 dollars...



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RIDER WEIGHT W/ GEAR 225 - 260 lbs.
SPRING LENGTH X SPRING RATE= N/A
that sucks... they don't make a spring for us "full grown men"...



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